| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1592 Registered: 9-2009 |
Doriana posted a puzzle in whose $poiler she explained that she felt that saying the first name of a female person who did excel in a particular domain is a sexist act. This inspired the following puzzle Chaos sometimes ensues in politics or in acting. Please explain. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1590 Registered: 12-2010 |
Huh! This is the second puzzle that was dedicated to me - I'm flattered! Sexism relevant? Names? mentioning someone's name? not mentioning someone's name? Politics - elections relevant? presidents? parliaments? state visits? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1593 Registered: 9-2009 |
Huh! This is the second puzzle that was dedicated to me - I'm flattered! Your puzzles inspire us - or at least inspired me on this one :-) Sexism relevant? No Names? Yope mentioning someone's name? Yope not mentioning someone's name? Noish Politics - elections relevant? presidents? parliaments? state visits? None | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3905 Registered: 9-2010 |
acting - mentioning or not mentioning the name of a certain play by Shakespeare? "break a leg"? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1594 Registered: 9-2009 |
acting - mentioning or not mentioning the name of a certain play by Shakespeare? No. Acting as in what an actor does "break a leg"? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1597 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are first names relevant? last names? nick names? Political speeches relevant? acting - memorising lines relevant? performing on stage? rehearsing? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1596 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are first names relevant? Yesish last names? Yes nick names? No Political speeches relevant? No acting - memorising lines relevant? performing on stage? rehearsing? Noish to all. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1090 Registered: 2-2011 |
actors assume the identity of another person? actors sometimes adopt stage names? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1599 Registered: 9-2009 |
actors assume the identity of another person? They do, but this is somewhat misleading in the context of this puzzle actors sometimes adopt stage names? True, but also a bit misleading HINT: Some essential starting questions have not been asked yet. Without those, proceeding further is a delicate thing and might lead to premature FAs | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1599 Registered: 12-2010 |
Time/location relevant? If so, the usual [LTPF lists] please. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1600 Registered: 9-2009 |
Time/location relevant? If so, the usual [LTPF lists] please. Yes, both are relevant. The United States and Germany -- for location. The 19th and the 20th century -- for time | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3906 Registered: 9-2010 |
For the 20th century, are the First and Second World Wars relevant? Are they the subjects of the plays/movies the actors are in? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1603 Registered: 9-2009 |
For the 20th century, are the First and Second World Wars relevant? No Are they the subjects of the plays/movies the actors are in? They - who? Some basic questions still need to be asked | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 788 Registered: 9-2008 |
Perhaps the politicians are the actors? Berlin wall relevant? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1099 Registered: 2-2011 |
chaos sometimes ensues - after an event? a decision? a change? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1604 Registered: 9-2009 |
Perhaps the politicians are the actors? Berlin wall relevant? No to both chaos sometimes ensues - after an event? DOYD of event a decision? YES a change? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1114 Registered: 2-2011 |
a decision to change something? to reorganise or restructure something? to do something? is it related to language? an election? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1607 Registered: 9-2009 |
a decision to change something? to reorganise or restructure something? to do something? This one is it related to language? an election? No to both HINT: Politics is only marginally relevant. We are looking for something an actor did. | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2011 |
Only marginally relevant? Well, 1 out of the 7 words in the puzzle is "politics" and it comes before "acting". Can you rephrase? Does it have anything to do with John Wilkes Booth and/or Abraham Lincoln? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1609 Registered: 9-2009 |
Only marginally relevant? Yes, as it will become clear as the puzzle progresses Well, 1 out of the 7 words in the puzzle is "politics" and it comes before "acting". Can you rephrase? I think the statement is fine as it is | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1610 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does it have anything to do with John Wilkes Booth and/or Abraham Lincoln? No | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 88 Registered: 6-2011 |
scratching head Does the statement refer to a single incident? Is the puzzle statement fiction? nonfiction? Have you ever personally witnessed "chaos ensuing" in this way? Is a particular actor relevant? Is a particular politician? A U.S. President? A German politician? Is World War I relevant? WW2? The Berlin Wall? East Germany? West Germany? The Third Reich? The Weimar Republic? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1612 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the statement refer to a single incident? Yope Is the puzzle statement fiction? It was coined by me but it relates to allegedly non-fictional events nonfiction? Have you ever personally witnessed "chaos ensuing" in this way? No-ish Is a particular actor relevant? YES! Is a particular politician? YES! A U.S. President? No A German politician? YES! But beware a slight FA Is World War I relevant? WW2? The Berlin Wall? East Germany? West Germany? The Third Reich? The Weimar Republic? None of those | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1586 Registered: 8-2001 |
So, back WAY way up... There is a relevant actor, yes? HAM? Is his nationality relevant? There is also a German politician, yes? HAM? Are the actor and politician both alive at the same time? Do they interact? Are they the same person? Other relevant persons here? More than one? Many? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1620 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, back WAY way up... There is a relevant actor, yes? Yes HAM? Yes Is his nationality relevant? Yes There is also a German politician, yes? Yes HAM? Yes Are the actor and politician both alive at the same time? No Do they interact? No Are they the same person? No, but... Other relevant persons here? No More than one? Many? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1151 Registered: 2-2011 |
do they share a surname? forename? are they related? do they share a particular characteristic? did they both make the same decision? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1621 Registered: 9-2009 |
do they share a surname? YES! forename? No are they related? No do they share a particular characteristic? See above did they both make the same decision? No Well done. Discovering who the two are will require me to $poil | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1610 Registered: 8-2001 |
Okay, we determined that the 19th and 20th centuries are relevant and that they were not both alive at the same time. Is the actor one known in the US? Well-known? Movie actor? TV actor? Is the actor currently alive? Is the politician? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 835 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the German politician still alive? still active in politics? Is he famous? because of his surname? (Cajus Julius Caesar?) Is the decision mentioned before related to chosing a name? changing one's name? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1623 Registered: 9-2009 |
Okay, we determined that the 19th and 20th centuries are relevant and that they were not both alive at the same time. Correct Is the actor one known in the US? I suppose so Well-known? Ditto Movie actor? Yes TV actor? AFAIK he appearead on TV, not sure though if in a movie Is the actor currently alive? No Is the politician? No Is the German politician still alive? No still active in politics? So, no Is he famous? Yes because of his surname? No (Cajus Julius Caesar? Is that a German politician?) Is the decision mentioned before related to chosing a name? changing one's name? No to both | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1630 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the actor still alive? If so, is he younger than 20? than 30? 40? 50? 60? older? Is he American? Is he still active? Was the politician active in politics before World War I? Before World War II? Before the Reunification? If he was active after WWII, was he active in Western Germany? Eastern Germany? Was he ever the Chancellor of Germany? The President of Germany? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1626 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the actor still alive? As mentioned before, no If so, is he younger than 20? than 30? 40? 50? 60? older? Is he American? Yes. The rest is N/A Is he still active? Was the politician active in politics before World War I? Yes Before World War II? Before the Reunification? If he was active after WWII, was he active in Western Germany? Eastern Germany? Was he ever the Chancellor of Germany? The President of Germany? He didn't have any official role, as far as I know, but he did studies on politics and he was engaged from time to time in political matters | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1631 Registered: 12-2010 |
"Is the actor still alive? As mentioned before, no" - Oops, must have overlooked that question. Did the actor die in [LTPF list of decades]? Did the politician die in [LTPF list of decades]? Karl/Groucho Marx? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1627 Registered: 9-2009 |
"Is the actor still alive? As mentioned before, no" - Oops, must have overlooked that question. Did the actor die in [LTPF list of decades]? Did the politician die in [LTPF list of decades]? Karl/Groucho Marx? Indeed, well done ****** SPOILER ****** Doriana recently posted a puzzle in which she seemed to favour mentioning only the last names of persons, apparently out of fear for sexism, an opinion to which I objected. It is said about Groucho: "The family was going through airport customs and, while filling out a form, Groucho listed his name as "Julius Henry Marx" and his occupation as "smuggler." Thereafter, chaos ensued". Thinking about the results of Marxism in Europe and elsewhere, I thought that mentioning the first name is still a good habit. I would like to have the information -- besides "Marx has said" -- Groucho or Karl? :-) Thanks to all who participated and to Doriana for the solve. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1638 Registered: 8-2001 |
Very clever puzzle! |
