| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6825 Registered: 8-2001 |
This puzzle introduces the concept of a paired scrund. Something that people think is true of Quakers & false of anti-Semites is actually true of anti-Semites & false of Quakers. What is it? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1091 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it something about their beliefs? lifestyle? religious practices? dietary laws? | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 369 Registered: 1-2010 |
Would Quakers have this scrund? Anti-Semites? Jews? Anti-anti-Semites (what's the proper term?)? Americans? Is the thing considered positive? negative? neutral? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13974 Registered: 4-2010 |
Religious services relevant? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1154 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the idea of an anti-Semite Quaker far-fetched enough that we can safely ignore it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6827 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1091 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2011 - 11:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is it something about their beliefs? lifestyle? religious practices? dietary laws? no to all! Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 369 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Monday, June 27, 2011 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would Quakers have this scrund? possibly but not necessarily Anti-Semites? ditto Jews? dittoAnti-anti-Semites (what's the proper term?)? ditto Americans? ditto. By the way, I bet that most people on this forum have it! Is the thing considered positive?no negative? yope neutral? yope Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13974 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 3:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Religious services relevant? no Markobr (Markobr) New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1154 Registered: 5-2009 Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 9:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the idea of an anti-Semite Quaker far-fetched enough that we can safely ignore it? It would be pretty unlikely, although theoretically possible, & you can safely ignore it | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2011 |
Is it something about pacifism? Is it about language? Does this also apply to pairings of similar groups, such as (no offense intended towards any of the below): Shakers vs. anti-Semites? Amish vs. anti-Semites? Mennonites vs. anti-Semites? Quakers vs. anti-Zionists? Quakers vs. anti-immigrationists? Quakers vs. white supremacists? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1603 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the scrund related to Quakers in general? In a specific time period? Specific location? Is it related to anti-Semites in general? In a specific time period? Specific location? Is the origin of Quakers relevant? the origin of anti-Semitism? How long either of them has been around? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6831 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dbw (Dbw) New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2011 Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 10:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it something about pacifism? no Is it about language? yes Does this also apply to pairings of similar groups, such as (no offense intended towards any of the below): Shakers vs. anti-Semites?yes Amish vs. anti-Semites? no Mennonites vs. anti-Semites? no Quakers vs. anti-Zionists? no Quakers vs. anti-immigrationists? no Quakers vs. white supremacists? no Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1603 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 10:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the scrund related to Quakers in general? see next answer In a specific time period? yesSpecific location? no Is it related to anti-Semites in general?see next answer In a specific time period? yesSpecific location? no Is the origin of Quakers relevant? no the origin of anti-Semitism? yope How long either of them has been around? yope | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1606 Registered: 12-2010 |
[LTPF list of centuries & decades] for the respective time periods please. German relevant? English? | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 379 Registered: 1-2010 |
Are Jews especially relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6832 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1606 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 11:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) [LTPF list of centuries & decades] for the respective time periods please. For anti-Semitism, the relevant time period would be before the end of World War II. For Quakers, the relevant time period would be the early days of the movement German relevant? English? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2011 |
Does it have to do with another religion? Islam? Does this apply to Quakers in England only and not the colonies? You said language was relevant but didn't respond when asked about German and English specifically...? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6833 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dbw (Dbw) New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 18 Registered: 6-2011 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 12:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it have to do with another religion? noIslam? no Does this apply to Quakers in England only and not the colonies? no You said language was relevant but didn't respond when asked about German and English specifically...?Sorry! It applies to English. I don't know about German. | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 385 Registered: 1-2010 |
You also skipped my question: are Jews directly relevant? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1107 Registered: 2-2011 |
does it relate to what other people called them? what other people said about them? and the words they used? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2011 |
Hmm, I'm still trying to figure out what "scrund" people could possibly have about antisemites! If this is just about anti-semites in general, nothing really ties them together except what they DON'T like... Is this only relevant to antisemitism in the U.S.? Germany? England? (A list of other countries?) Does it have to do with a particular group of antisemites? A prominent antisemite? You said this was pre-war.... Henry Ford? Charles Lindbergh? Hitler? Or was this after the start of WW2 but before the end? If not, was it after the start of WW1 but before the end of WW2? Or was it an open-ended time period up to the end of WW2? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6834 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 385 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 1:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) You also skipped my question Sorry!: are Jews directly relevant? noish Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1107 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 8:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does it relate to what other people called them? yesish what other people said about them? see previous & next answers and the words they used? yes Dbw (Dbw) New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 23 Registered: 6-2011 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 2:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hmm, I'm still trying to figure out what "scrund" people could possibly have about antisemites! If this is just about anti-semites in general, nothing really ties them together except what they DON'T like... Remember that the scrund is about language Is this only relevant to antisemitism in the U.S.? no Germany? no England? (A list of other countries? no) Does it have to do with a particular group of antisemites? yes A prominent antisemite? noYou said this was pre-war.... Henry Ford? Charles Lindbergh? Hitler?The scrund applies to Hitler; I'm not sure about the other two. But it applies to many people other than Hitler Or was this after the start of WW2 but before the end? If not, was it after the start of WW1 but before the end of WW2? Or was it an open-ended time period up to the end of WW2? The relevant time period ended around the end of World War II | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2011 |
Does it relate to the Nazis in particular? Would it also apply to, say, the KKK? Does it relate to what the groups are called? Or how the groups refer to themselves? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6836 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dbw (Dbw) New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2011 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 8:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it relate to the Nazis in particular? no Would it also apply to, say, the KKK? probably Does it relate to what the groups are called yes? yes Or how the groups refer to themselves? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6837 Registered: 8-2001 |
Does it relate to what the groups are called? yes Or how the groups refer to themselves? yes | ||
| Hominid (Hominid)
New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 392 Registered: 1-2010 |
Did people think Quakers made up their own name? And Anti-Semites didn't? When in fact the opposite is true? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 42 Registered: 6-2011 |
Good call Hominid... or more generally: Contrary to the terms' modern connotations, "Quaker" was coined as a pejorative while "anti-Semite" was not. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6841 Registered: 8-2001 |
Hominid (Hominid) New member Username: Hominid Post Number: 392 Registered: 1-2010 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 9:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did people think Quakers made up their own name? possibly And Anti-Semites didn't?yes When in fact the opposite is true? yes Dbw (Dbw) New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 42 Registered: 6-2011 Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 10:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Good call Hominid... or more generally: Contrary to the terms' modern connotations, "Quaker" was coined as a pejorative while "anti-Semite" was not. That's it!! ******** SPOILER ************** Many people think that 'Quaker' has always been a neutral term & 'anti-Semite' has always been pejorative. But 'Quaker' (like 'Shaker,' '"big bang" theorist,' and 'neoconservative') started out as a pejorative term but eventually became neutral. 'Anti-Semite,' on the other hand, was originally a neutral term that anti-Semites happily used to describe themselves. 'Hard puzzle' is a term I initially used to describe this puzzle. . .but I turned out to be wrong. I hope to see (and think of) more paired scrunds, though. In the meantime, please check out my new puzzle. |
