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Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 4:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Apologies to those that hate long puzzle statements. Also, this one might go fast so if you think you know it within the first day or so – shoot me an e-mail? I’m at (my username) at gmail. Thanks!

Quite by chance, one random Tuesday in June found Larry, Marta and Nelson all doing the same thing at the same time. They were not in the same place together and did not know each other.

Larry was humming a song to himself, a rather positive song that he hoped applied to his actions. Marta was also humming a song, one almost opposite of that being hummed by Larry. She very much hoped the song did NOT apply to her actions. Nelson was not humming a song.

Larry and Marta were successful in their actions, but Nelson was not. Why and what were Larry and Marta’s songs?
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 8:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the action involve
...another person?
...several other persons?
...an item?
...several items?
...traveling?
...going somewhere?
...arts?
...creating/repairing something?
...education?
...sports?
...personal hygiene?
...buying something?
...something illegal?
...reading?
...writing?

Is a certain movement involved?
Jumping?
Running?
Turning around?

Seeing that Larry's song is a positive one and the song is supposed to match his actions, can we conclude that the action is something that
...most people like to do?
...people normally do willingly?
...is normally considered fun?

Did Larry do it willingly?
Did Marta do it willingly?
Did Nelson do it willingly?

Does the title of Larry's song refer to Larry's action?
Do the lyrics of Larry's song refer to Larry's action?
Does the title of Marta's song refer to Marta's action?
Do the lyrics of Marta's song refer to Marta's action?

Can Marta's song be considered negative?
If so, did she hum it because the was in a bad mood?
Or did she not enjoy what she was doing?
Was she ashamed of her action?
Was she forced to do it?
Was she forced to hum?

Is the reason why Nelson does not hum relevant?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the action involve
...another person? Yes
...several other persons? No
...an item? No
...several items? No
...traveling? No
...going somewhere? No
...arts? No
...creating/repairing something? No
...education? No
...sports? No
...personal hygiene? No
...buying something? No
...something illegal? No
...reading? No
...writing? No

Is a certain movement involved? Yes
Jumping? No
Running? No
Turning around? No

Seeing that Larry's song is a positive one and the song is supposed to match his actions, can we conclude that the action is something that
...most people like to do? No!
...people normally do willingly? No...Perhaps explore.
...is normally considered fun? No!

Did Larry do it willingly? More or less, Yes
Did Marta do it willingly? More or less, Yes
Did Nelson do it willingly? More or less, Yes

Does the title of Larry's song refer to Larry's action? No
Do the lyrics of Larry's song refer to Larry's action? No
Does the title of Marta's song refer to Marta's action? No
Do the lyrics of Marta's song refer to Marta's action? No

Can Marta's song be considered negative? In this context, perhaps
If so, did she hum it because the was in a bad mood? No, she was not in a bad mood.
Or did she not enjoy what she was doing?
Was she ashamed of her action? No
Was she forced to do it? No
Was she forced to hum? No

Is the reason why Nelson does not hum relevant? Somewhat.
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The basics -
Marta = H/A/F?
Larry = H/A/M?
Nelson = H/A/M?

Is Marta's age relevant? profession? religion? ethnicity? physical appearance? nationality?
Same questions for Larry and Nelson, please.
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - 9:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any of the following relevant?
Household chores?
Helping somebody?
Doing something nice for somebody?
Dancing?
Working?

The movement:
Something one does with the whole body?
With just a body part?
Eyes?
Mouth?
Hands/arms?
Feet/legs?
Shoulders/back?
Chest/stomach?

Did Nelson not hum because he was talking?
Was his mouth full?
Did he have to focus on something?
Was he short of breath?

Is the action
...strenuous?
...tiring?
...monotonous?
...frustrating?
...in vain?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 8:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is Nelson alive? H/A/M?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 10:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Adding some basics:

Time relevant?
Location relevant?
Nationality of the three persons relevant?
Nationality of the fourth person relevant?
Is their religion relevant (their = the three in the puzzle statement plus the fourth)?
Is anyone else relevant?

Was the cause of Nelson's lack of success the fact that he was not humming any song?

If Marta / Larry were humming "Nessun Dorma", would they succeed? If Marta / Larry were humming "Love me tender" would they succeed?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 2:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doriana
The basics -
Marta = H/A/F? Yes
Larry = H/A/M? Yes
Nelson = H/A/M? Yes

Is Marta's age relevant? profession? religion? ethnicity? physical appearance? nationality? All are irrelevant.
Same questions for Larry and Nelson, please. All are irrelevant.

Potato
Any of the following relevant:
Household chores? No
Helping somebody? Yes
Doing something nice for somebody? Err, Yes
Dancing? No
Working? Assume no.

The movement:
Something one does with the whole body? Yes-ish
With just a body part? A few parts
Eyes? No
Mouth? Yope
Hands/arms? Yes
Feet/legs? No
Shoulders/back? Yes
Chest/stomach? Yes

Did Nelson not hum because he was talking? No
Was his mouth full? No
Did he have to focus on something? Yes
Was he short of breath? Perhaps

Is the action
...strenuous? Yes
...tiring? Yes
...monotonous? Could be
...frustrating? Perhaps
...in vain? Could be

Shez
is Nelson alive? Yes
H/A/M? Yes

Rbruma
Adding some basics:

Time relevant? Let’s assume Now-ish
Location relevant? No
Nationality of the three persons relevant? No
Nationality of the fourth person relevant? FA
Is their religion relevant No
(their = the three in the puzzle statement plus the fourth)? Same FA
Is anyone else relevant? Yes, but this will be clear once the FA is cleared up.

Was the cause of Nelson's lack of success the fact that he was not humming any song? Not the cause, but it is related to his lack of success.

If Marta / Larry were humming "Nessun Dorma", would they succeed?
I don’t know this song offhand, but the internet is a wonderful thing. I can say with absolute confidence – They may have, but it would have been less likely.

If Marta / Larry were humming "Love me tender" would they succeed? Again, They may have, but it would have been less likely.
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they being paid to do the task?

Was each of the three helping a different person?

Was the person Marta was helping HAM/F?
Was the person Nelson was helping HAM/F?
Was the person Larry was helping HAM/F?

Did each of them know the person they were helping? Was each of them related to that person? Was it a parent? Child? Employer? Co-worker? Friend?

Was each of them physically in the presence of the person they were helping? Touching? Were they within 1 foot of that person? 5 feet? 10 feet?

Are the names relevant at all?

Is a wedding involved in any way?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they being paid to do the task? No, none were paid.

Was each of the three helping a different person? YES!! This clears up the FA.

Was the person Marta was helping HAM/F?
Was the person Nelson was helping HAM/F?
Was the person Larry was helping HAM/F?
There is only one relevant charateristic of the three people Larry, Marta and Nelson are helping. All are human, age and gender irrelevant.

Did each of them know the person they were helping? Irrelevant, assume No.
Was each of them related to that person? Irrelevant
Was it a parent? Child? Employer? Co-worker? Friend?
Irrelevant

Was each of them physically in the presence of the person they were helping? Yes
Touching? Yes
Were they within 1 foot of that person? 5 feet? 10 feet? Close enough to touch

Are the names relevant at all? No. Just picked three letters out of the alphabet and came up with names.

Is a wedding involved in any way? No

Great Qs and welcome!
Dbw (Dbw)
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Were they providing medical care? Were they carrying/lifting the people they were helping? Are the people they're helping alive? Conscious? Since their age is irrelevant, would the task be less strenuous if the people they were helping happen to be children?

Had each of them performed this task at least once before? Do they perform this task regularly? Weekly? Daily? Occasionally?

Is it relevant that Marta is female while Larry and Nelson are male?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 4:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the task involve singing? Humming?
Did they help disabled people?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they providing medical care? Yes
Were they carrying/lifting the people they were helping? No
Are the people they're helping alive? YOPE (Used for 'Yes and No' on the forum)
Conscious? No

Since their age is irrelevant, would the task be less strenuous if the people they were helping happen to be children? No, no less strenuous

Had each of them performed this task at least once before? Yope

Do they perform this task regularly? Weekly? Daily? Occasionally? Very occasionally at best.

Is it relevant that Marta is female while Larry and Nelson are male? No
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 5:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they performing surgery?

Are any or all of Marta, Larry, and Nelson trained doctors? Nurses? EMTs/paramedics/medics? Lifeguards?

Were they performing CPR? In particular were they giving chest compressions? Were Marta and Larry humming a tune in order to keep time? Was Larry humming "Stayin' Alive"?
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, I think I got it.

All 3 were performing CPR. In order to keep the beat, Marta hummed "Another One Bites the Dust" and Larry hummed "Stayin' Alive" and/or "I Will Survive". Nelson didn't hum anything and did not time the chest compressions properly.
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they performing surgery? No

Are any or all of Marta, Larry, and Nelson trained doctors? Nurses? EMTs/paramedics/medics? Lifeguards? None of the above. (Thus profession being irrelevant.

Were they performing CPR? YES!!
In particular were they giving chest compressions? Yes!

Were Marta and Larry humming a tune in order to keep time? YES!

Was Larry humming "Stayin' Alive"? Yes!

Very well done! We are 99% of the way there. So, what was Marta's song?
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another One Bites the Dust
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 5:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another One Bites the Dust Indeed!

You-know-what coming up!
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 5:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

One of the most common problems when non-professionals give CPR is not giving enough chest compressions. The American Heart Association recommends that to revive a stopped heart, you should perform CPR at 100 compressions per minute. The song “Stayin’ Alive” is well known, gets stuck in your head, and happens to be 103 beats per minute, making it the almost perfect song to perform CPR to. (Professionals say a few too many compressions is preferable to too few.)

Funny enough “Another One Bites the Dust” also happens to be right around the right number of beats per minute to assist with chest compression timing. However, other people might look at you a bit oddly if you were humming that song.


Well played all and congrats to newcomer Dbw for the solve!
Metyx (Metyx)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 - 8:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's actually a really great puzzle. I'm sorry I got here late for it. But it was a fun one to read through and think about.

I think I also learned something valuable.

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