| Author | Message | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1522 Registered: 8-2001 |
Apologies to those that hate long puzzle statements. Also, this one might go fast so if you think you know it within the first day or so – shoot me an e-mail? I’m at (my username) at gmail. Thanks! Quite by chance, one random Tuesday in June found Larry, Marta and Nelson all doing the same thing at the same time. They were not in the same place together and did not know each other. Larry was humming a song to himself, a rather positive song that he hoped applied to his actions. Marta was also humming a song, one almost opposite of that being hummed by Larry. She very much hoped the song did NOT apply to her actions. Nelson was not humming a song. Larry and Marta were successful in their actions, but Nelson was not. Why and what were Larry and Marta’s songs? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 863 Registered: 7-2010 |
Does the action involve ...another person? ...several other persons? ...an item? ...several items? ...traveling? ...going somewhere? ...arts? ...creating/repairing something? ...education? ...sports? ...personal hygiene? ...buying something? ...something illegal? ...reading? ...writing? Is a certain movement involved? Jumping? Running? Turning around? Seeing that Larry's song is a positive one and the song is supposed to match his actions, can we conclude that the action is something that ...most people like to do? ...people normally do willingly? ...is normally considered fun? Did Larry do it willingly? Did Marta do it willingly? Did Nelson do it willingly? Does the title of Larry's song refer to Larry's action? Do the lyrics of Larry's song refer to Larry's action? Does the title of Marta's song refer to Marta's action? Do the lyrics of Marta's song refer to Marta's action? Can Marta's song be considered negative? If so, did she hum it because the was in a bad mood? Or did she not enjoy what she was doing? Was she ashamed of her action? Was she forced to do it? Was she forced to hum? Is the reason why Nelson does not hum relevant? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1533 Registered: 8-2001 |
Does the action involve ...another person? Yes ...several other persons? No ...an item? No ...several items? No ...traveling? No ...going somewhere? No ...arts? No ...creating/repairing something? No ...education? No ...sports? No ...personal hygiene? No ...buying something? No ...something illegal? No ...reading? No ...writing? No Is a certain movement involved? Yes Jumping? No Running? No Turning around? No Seeing that Larry's song is a positive one and the song is supposed to match his actions, can we conclude that the action is something that ...most people like to do? No! ...people normally do willingly? No...Perhaps explore. ...is normally considered fun? No! Did Larry do it willingly? More or less, Yes Did Marta do it willingly? More or less, Yes Did Nelson do it willingly? More or less, Yes Does the title of Larry's song refer to Larry's action? No Do the lyrics of Larry's song refer to Larry's action? No Does the title of Marta's song refer to Marta's action? No Do the lyrics of Marta's song refer to Marta's action? No Can Marta's song be considered negative? In this context, perhaps If so, did she hum it because the was in a bad mood? No, she was not in a bad mood. Or did she not enjoy what she was doing? Was she ashamed of her action? No Was she forced to do it? No Was she forced to hum? No Is the reason why Nelson does not hum relevant? Somewhat. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1601 Registered: 12-2010 |
The basics - Marta = H/A/F? Larry = H/A/M? Nelson = H/A/M? Is Marta's age relevant? profession? religion? ethnicity? physical appearance? nationality? Same questions for Larry and Nelson, please. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 868 Registered: 7-2010 |
Any of the following relevant? Household chores? Helping somebody? Doing something nice for somebody? Dancing? Working? The movement: Something one does with the whole body? With just a body part? Eyes? Mouth? Hands/arms? Feet/legs? Shoulders/back? Chest/stomach? Did Nelson not hum because he was talking? Was his mouth full? Did he have to focus on something? Was he short of breath? Is the action ...strenuous? ...tiring? ...monotonous? ...frustrating? ...in vain? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1108 Registered: 2-2011 |
is Nelson alive? H/A/M? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1606 Registered: 9-2009 |
Adding some basics: Time relevant? Location relevant? Nationality of the three persons relevant? Nationality of the fourth person relevant? Is their religion relevant (their = the three in the puzzle statement plus the fourth)? Is anyone else relevant? Was the cause of Nelson's lack of success the fact that he was not humming any song? If Marta / Larry were humming "Nessun Dorma", would they succeed? If Marta / Larry were humming "Love me tender" would they succeed? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1537 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana The basics - Marta = H/A/F? Yes Larry = H/A/M? Yes Nelson = H/A/M? Yes Is Marta's age relevant? profession? religion? ethnicity? physical appearance? nationality? All are irrelevant. Same questions for Larry and Nelson, please. All are irrelevant. Potato Any of the following relevant: Household chores? No Helping somebody? Yes Doing something nice for somebody? Err, Yes Dancing? No Working? Assume no. The movement: Something one does with the whole body? Yes-ish With just a body part? A few parts Eyes? No Mouth? Yope Hands/arms? Yes Feet/legs? No Shoulders/back? Yes Chest/stomach? Yes Did Nelson not hum because he was talking? No Was his mouth full? No Did he have to focus on something? Yes Was he short of breath? Perhaps Is the action ...strenuous? Yes ...tiring? Yes ...monotonous? Could be ...frustrating? Perhaps ...in vain? Could be Shez is Nelson alive? Yes H/A/M? Yes Rbruma Adding some basics: Time relevant? Let’s assume Now-ish Location relevant? No Nationality of the three persons relevant? No Nationality of the fourth person relevant? FA Is their religion relevant No (their = the three in the puzzle statement plus the fourth)? Same FA Is anyone else relevant? Yes, but this will be clear once the FA is cleared up. Was the cause of Nelson's lack of success the fact that he was not humming any song? Not the cause, but it is related to his lack of success. If Marta / Larry were humming "Nessun Dorma", would they succeed? I don’t know this song offhand, but the internet is a wonderful thing. I can say with absolute confidence – They may have, but it would have been less likely. If Marta / Larry were humming "Love me tender" would they succeed? Again, They may have, but it would have been less likely. | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 24 Registered: 6-2011 |
Were they being paid to do the task? Was each of the three helping a different person? Was the person Marta was helping HAM/F? Was the person Nelson was helping HAM/F? Was the person Larry was helping HAM/F? Did each of them know the person they were helping? Was each of them related to that person? Was it a parent? Child? Employer? Co-worker? Friend? Was each of them physically in the presence of the person they were helping? Touching? Were they within 1 foot of that person? 5 feet? 10 feet? Are the names relevant at all? Is a wedding involved in any way? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1542 Registered: 8-2001 |
Were they being paid to do the task? No, none were paid. Was each of the three helping a different person? YES!! This clears up the FA. Was the person Marta was helping HAM/F? Was the person Nelson was helping HAM/F? Was the person Larry was helping HAM/F? There is only one relevant charateristic of the three people Larry, Marta and Nelson are helping. All are human, age and gender irrelevant. Did each of them know the person they were helping? Irrelevant, assume No. Was each of them related to that person? Irrelevant Was it a parent? Child? Employer? Co-worker? Friend? Irrelevant Was each of them physically in the presence of the person they were helping? Yes Touching? Yes Were they within 1 foot of that person? 5 feet? 10 feet? Close enough to touch Are the names relevant at all? No. Just picked three letters out of the alphabet and came up with names. Is a wedding involved in any way? No Great Qs and welcome! | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2011 |
Were they providing medical care? Were they carrying/lifting the people they were helping? Are the people they're helping alive? Conscious? Since their age is irrelevant, would the task be less strenuous if the people they were helping happen to be children? Had each of them performed this task at least once before? Do they perform this task regularly? Weekly? Daily? Occasionally? Is it relevant that Marta is female while Larry and Nelson are male? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 911 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the task involve singing? Humming? Did they help disabled people? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1543 Registered: 8-2001 |
Were they providing medical care? Yes Were they carrying/lifting the people they were helping? No Are the people they're helping alive? YOPE (Used for 'Yes and No' on the forum) Conscious? No Since their age is irrelevant, would the task be less strenuous if the people they were helping happen to be children? No, no less strenuous Had each of them performed this task at least once before? Yope Do they perform this task regularly? Weekly? Daily? Occasionally? Very occasionally at best. Is it relevant that Marta is female while Larry and Nelson are male? No | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2011 |
Were they performing surgery? Are any or all of Marta, Larry, and Nelson trained doctors? Nurses? EMTs/paramedics/medics? Lifeguards? Were they performing CPR? In particular were they giving chest compressions? Were Marta and Larry humming a tune in order to keep time? Was Larry humming "Stayin' Alive"? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2011 |
Ah, I think I got it. All 3 were performing CPR. In order to keep the beat, Marta hummed "Another One Bites the Dust" and Larry hummed "Stayin' Alive" and/or "I Will Survive". Nelson didn't hum anything and did not time the chest compressions properly. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1546 Registered: 8-2001 |
Were they performing surgery? No Are any or all of Marta, Larry, and Nelson trained doctors? Nurses? EMTs/paramedics/medics? Lifeguards? None of the above. (Thus profession being irrelevant. Were they performing CPR? YES!! In particular were they giving chest compressions? Yes! Were Marta and Larry humming a tune in order to keep time? YES! Was Larry humming "Stayin' Alive"? Yes! Very well done! We are 99% of the way there. So, what was Marta's song? | ||
| Dbw (Dbw)
New member Username: Dbw Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2011 |
Another One Bites the Dust | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1547 Registered: 8-2001 |
Another One Bites the Dust Indeed! You-know-what coming up! | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1548 Registered: 8-2001 |
***** SPOILER ***** One of the most common problems when non-professionals give CPR is not giving enough chest compressions. The American Heart Association recommends that to revive a stopped heart, you should perform CPR at 100 compressions per minute. The song “Stayin’ Alive” is well known, gets stuck in your head, and happens to be 103 beats per minute, making it the almost perfect song to perform CPR to. (Professionals say a few too many compressions is preferable to too few.) Funny enough “Another One Bites the Dust” also happens to be right around the right number of beats per minute to assist with chest compression timing. However, other people might look at you a bit oddly if you were humming that song. Well played all and congrats to newcomer Dbw for the solve! | ||
| Metyx (Metyx)
New member Username: Metyx Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2011 |
That's actually a really great puzzle. I'm sorry I got here late for it. But it was a fun one to read through and think about. I think I also learned something valuable. |
