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Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Three people receive phone messages conveying the same information. One is angry, one is amused, and one happily agrees to do what is asked. Explain.

I know the puzzle statement is similar to a classic, but the solution is completely different.
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The angry person - H/A/M?F?
The amused person - H/A/M?F?
The person who agrees to do what is asked - H/A/M?F?
Do any of them know each other?

Are they called by the same person? Do they know the person who calls them?

Is the message related to their job? family? health?

Do all of them understand the message correctly? Any language barriers involved?
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Are the three people adult? Male? Relevant?

Do they all receive the message from the same person? Are all the messages identical or are they different ways of conveying the same information? Does this information solely consist of a request to do something?

Do they receive the information as a voicemail message? Or are they told it directly by someone on the other end of the line?

Do all three fully understand the message? Is the angry person angry because they were asked to do the thing that the happy person agreed to? Is the amused person amused for this reason?
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Sorry - cross posting!
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The angry person - H/A/M?F? H, age irrelevant, F.
The amused person - H/A/M?F? H, age irrelevant, M.
The person who agrees to do what is asked - H/A/M?F? H, age irrelevant, F. The two females are probably both relatively young, but only the male's gender is relevant.
Do any of them know each other? some of them do. Explore.

Are they called by the same person? yes. Do they know the person who calls them? some of them do.

Is the message related to their job? thisish. family? health?

Do all of them understand the message correctly? yes. Any language barriers involved? no.

Are the three people adult? Male? Relevant? see above.

Do they all receive the message from the same person? assume yes. Are all the messages identical or are they different ways of conveying the same information? the latter. Does this information solely consist of a request to do something? yes.

Do they receive the information as a voicemail message? for the male, it's definitely this. For the others, it could be either, but assume it's a voicemail. Or are they told it directly by someone on the other end of the line?

Do all three fully understand the message? The male probably doesn't, but he gets the general idea. Is the angry person angry because they were asked to do the thing that the happy person agreed to? yes. Is the amused person amused for this reason? yes.
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Can we call the angry person Anna, the amused person Luke and the agreeing person Jane?

Do Anna and Luke know each other? Luke and Jane? Jane and Anna?

Does Anna know the person who called her? Does Luke know him/her? Jane?
Is the person H/A/M? F?

Are they all asked to do exactly the same thing? Does any of them know that someone else has been called and asked to do the same thing? Is it relevant in what order they have been called? How much time has passed in between the calls? Does any of them call back the person?
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Do Angry and Amused know each other? If so, are they related? Friends? Colleagues?

Same question for Amused and Agree, and for Angry and Agree please.

Were they all supposed to receive the messages that they did? Could Angry and Amused have done the thing that they were asked to do? Would they have been physically unable to? Would it have caused them inconvenience? Pain? Embarrassment?
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Can we call the angry person Anna, the amused person Luke and the agreeing person Jane? Of course.

Do Anna and Luke know each other? no. Luke and Jane? no. Jane and Anna? maybe.

Does Anna know the person who called her? yes. Does Luke know him/her? no. Jane? yes.
Is the person H/A/M? F? irrelevant. Assume HAF.

Are they all asked to do exactly the same thing? yes. Does any of them know that someone else has been called and asked to do the same thing? maybe. Is it relevant in what order they have been called? Anna, then Luke, then Jane. How much time has passed in between the calls? irrelevant. Assume minutes to hours. Does any of them call back the person? Jane does, Anna might, and Luke probably doesn't.

Do Angry and Amused know each other? If so, are they related? Friends? Colleagues?

Same question for Amused and Agree, and for Angry and Agree please. see above. Most likely none of them know each other, but Anna and Jane (Angry and Agree) might.

Were they all supposed to receive the messages that they did? Anna was not, Luke was, and Jane might have been. Could Angry and Amused have done the thing that they were asked to do? Anna could have but didn't want to. Luke wouldn't have done a good job. Would they have been physically unable to? no. Would it have caused them inconvenience? Pain? Embarrassment? Could be any of these three for Anna. For Luke, there is another reason.
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Is the title relevant? Is any of them asleep when they're called?

The thing that they're asked to do, is it something that would take them minutes? hours? days? weeks? longer?
Does it involve going someplace? committing a crime? communication?

Is the person who called them (may we call her Rose?) related to Anna? to Jane? is she a friend of Anna's? Jane's? Anna's boss? Jane's?

Are their respective professions relevant?
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Is the job one that can be done better by a woman? Did the caller hope that Luke would do the job? Were they aware that he wouldn't do a good job? Did they mean to call somebody else instead of Anna? Or did Anna pick up the message on behalf of someone else and assume it was for her?

Did the person hope that Anna would do the job? But in fact she got angry? So they called Luke instead? And then called Jane when he was amused by the idea?
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Is the title relevant? indirectly. Don't dwell on it. Is any of them asleep when they're called? irrelevant.

The thing that they're asked to do, is it something that would take them minutes? hours? days? weeks? days or weeks. longer?
Does it involve going someplace? this, but it involves other things too. committing a crime? communication? I suppose it involves this, too.

Is the person who called them (may we call her Rose? yes. Funny, as this name is indirectly relevant.) related to Anna? to Jane? assume no. is she a friend of Anna's? Jane's? she knows both. Anna's boss? Jane's? She used to be Anna's, and later she becomes Jane's.

Are their respective professions relevant? Yes, although they might be hobbies rather than professions.

Is the job one that can be done better by a woman? yes. Did the caller hope that Luke would do the job? no. Were they aware that he wouldn't do a good job? yes. Did they mean to call somebody else instead of Anna? no. Or did Anna pick up the message on behalf of someone else and assume it was for her? no.

Did the person hope that Anna would do the job? yes. But in fact she got angry? yes. So they called Luke instead? yes, but explore. And then called Jane when he was amused by the idea? yes, but not because he was amused.
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When Rose called Luke and left a message, did she intend for Luke to be the one who heard it? If so, did she expect a response from him? If not, had she intended to ask someone else to do the job? Luke's girlfriend? Wife? Sister? Friend? Did she know that Luke was male?

Was Luke amused because the idea of a male doing the job was funny? Because the idea of him specifically doing the job was funny? Because some kind of mistake had been made?

Was Anna angry that Rose would think she might be willing to do the job? Angry at how she was contacted? Was she angry at Rose?
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Just to check:
Anna does not work for Rose at the time of the call?
Nor does Luke?
Nor Jane?

Is Rose offering them a job (like paid work)?
Is she offering them an opportunity to do something?
Is she asking a favor of them?

We determined that the job (task?) would be better done by a woman.
Because of physical differences between men and women?
Women's vocal tone?
Hand size?
Average height?
Some skill more common to women?

Is the "better done by a woman" scientific fact?
General opinion?
A personal opinion of Rose's?

If Anna had agreed to do whatever, would Luke have been called?
If Luke had said yes, would Jane have been called?

Is Rose aware that Luke is a male?
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When Rose called Luke and left a message, did she intend for Luke to be the one who heard it? No. Good question. If so, did she expect a response from him? no. If not, had she intended to ask someone else to do the job? yes. Luke's girlfriend? Wife? Sister? Friend? noish to all of these. Did she know that Luke was male? assume yes, but it wouldn't matter.

Was Luke amused because the idea of a male doing the job was funny? Because the idea of him specifically doing the job was funny? Because some kind of mistake had been made? yes to all.

Was Anna angry that Rose would think she might be willing to do the job? Angry at how she was contacted? Was she angry at Rose? probably all three.

Just to check:
Anna does not work for Rose at the time of the call?
Nor does Luke?
Nor Jane? All correct.

Is Rose offering them a job (like paid work)? Whether it's paid is irrelevant.
Is she offering them an opportunity to do something? it could be seen as this.
Is she asking a favor of them? but mostly this.

We determined that the job (task?) would be better done by a woman. correct.
Because of physical differences between men and women? yes.
Women's vocal tone?
Hand size?
Average height?
Some skill more common to women? no to rest.

Is the "better done by a woman" scientific fact?
General opinion? this.
A personal opinion of Rose's? this, too.

If Anna had agreed to do whatever, would Luke have been called? no.
If Luke had said yes, would Jane have been called? yes.

Is Rose aware that Luke is a male? see above.
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Is the job some sort of voice recording? and they need to voice a female character?
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OK, to try and sum up: Rose called Anna, hoping she would do the task, but Anna got angry. Rose therefore tried to contact another woman, but somehow (wrong number? Someone else who lived at the same address?) contacted Luke instead, who was amused because he as a male could not have done the task. Rose therefore received no reply here and so contacted her third option, Jane, who agreed. Is this all correct?

Could the task in any way be considered...risqué? Was Anna offended by the very nature of the task?
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Is the job some sort of voice recording? and they need to voice a female character? no.
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I think you may have missed my questions...
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OK, to try and sum up: Rose called Anna, hoping she would do the task, but Anna got angry. correct. Rose therefore tried to contact another woman, but somehow (wrong number? YES! Someone else who lived at the same address?) contacted Luke instead, who was amused because he as a male could not have done the task. Rose therefore received no reply here and so contacted her third option, Jane, who agreed. slight FA here. Is this all correct? yes except where noted.

Could the task in any way be considered...risqué? Was Anna offended by the very nature of the task? neither. It's irrelevant why exactly she was didn't want to do the task.
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Was Jane actually Rose's second option? Did she get the right number, after getting Luke's wrong number?
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Was Jane actually Rose's second option? yes. Did she get the right number, after getting Luke's wrong number? yes.
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is the task to do with having babies? looking after babies or small children? cooking? sewing?

some sort of acting role? modelling?

of a sexual nature?

does it involve standing in for someone else?

charity work involved?
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is the task to do with having babies? looking after babies or small children? cooking? sewing?

some sort of acting role? THIS. modelling?

of a sexual nature?

does it involve standing in for someone else? and this. Explore this, and then you're done.

charity work involved? no to rest.
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Being a lookalike? Standing in for a celebrity? For Rose? Do Anna and Jane look relatively similar to someone? Or would any woman do?
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does it involve standing in for someone else in real life? like pretending to be a wife or girlfriend at some function?
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Being a lookalike? no. Standing in for a celebrity? no. For Rose? no. Do Anna and Jane look relatively similar to someone? not really. Or would any woman do? any young, relatively attractive woman.

does it involve standing in for someone else in real life? no. like pretending to be a wife or girlfriend at some function? no.

The job is acting. It does involve standing in for someone else, but you have an FA.
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so the calls were to offer an acting role? was Anna annoyed because it didn't flatter her? was the part for a woman older than herself? fatter? uglier?
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acting - in a movie? play? TV series? musical? Are they stunt women?
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so the calls were to offer an acting role? yes. was Anna annoyed because it didn't flatter her? was the part for a woman older than herself? fatter? uglier? irrelevant to all. All you need is what Anna had to do with all this, put together all the pieces, and then you're done.

acting - in a movie? play? this, although it could be a movie or a musical. TV series? musical? Are they stunt women? assume no.
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was Anna angry because she was woken up? because Rose should have known she wouldn't be interested?
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was Anna angry because she was woken up? because Rose should have known she wouldn't be interested? probably this. The question is, why should Rose have known this?
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is Rose Anna's agent? a relative?

did Anna already have a part? was she busy with something else in her life?
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is Rose Anna's agent? a relative? irrelevant.

did Anna already have a part? YES. Now explore this. was she busy with something else in her life? irrelevant.
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Did she have a part in the same play?
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is Anna a well-known actress?
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Did she have a part in the same play? yes....

is Anna a well-known actress? irrelevant.
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Did Rose assign that part to Anna? And then forget about it?
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Did Rose assign that part to Anna? yes.... And then forget about it? no.
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Is she already supposed to be playing the part that she is offered? Or does she think she is? Did she want a different part?
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oh my goodness! was she already playing tha same part? and they were going to get rid of her and this is how she found out?
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Is she already supposed to be playing the part that she is offered? yope. Or does she think she is? noish. Did she want a different part? no.

oh my goodness! was she already playing tha same part? yope. and they were going to get rid of her and this is how she found out? no.
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is she understudying the part she's offered? has she already been turned down for that part?
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Is Rose calling around for a replacement understudy?
A replacement for the main part?
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is she understudying the part she's offered? no. has she already been turned down for that part? no.

Is Rose calling around for a replacement understudy? no.
A replacement for the main part? yes.
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Was the understudy asked to replace the main part? Was there even an understudy?
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Was the understudy asked to replace the main part? no. Was there even an understudy? irrelevant.
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Was she playing that part in a different play? Or had she played it before? Had she been going to play it but then got replaced? Or had rejected the offer before? So was then angry when Rose called to offer it to her once more?

Is it relevant why the main part needs a replacement? Was it originally to be played by someone else? Someone involved in the puzzle? Who had to drop out? Or got fired?
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Was Anna already the understudy for the main role?
So the role should have gone to her if something happened to the lead?
But instead Rose was calling around for a replacement, which angered Anna?
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Was she playing that part in a different play? Or had she played it before? Had she been going to play it but then got replaced? Or had rejected the offer before? So was then angry when Rose called to offer it to her once more? no to all.

Is it relevant why the main part needs a replacement? yesish. Was it originally to be played by someone else? yes. Someone involved in the puzzle? yes. Who had to drop out? yope. Sort of irrelevant. Or got fired? no.
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Was Anna already the understudy for the main role?
So the role should have gone to her if something happened to the lead?
But instead Rose was calling around for a replacement, which angered Anna? no to all.
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I got a yope to the following:

Is she already supposed to be playing the part that she is offered? yope. oh my goodness! was she already playing tha same part? yope

had she already been offered the part?
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had she already been offered the part? yes....
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had she already turned it down? accepted it?
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Hominid wrote, "had she already been offered the part? yes...."

I hope I'm following this saga correctly.

Was this a case of professional jealousy?

Do we need to find out why the main part needed recasting?

Do looks, hair color, size, voice, relationships with the other actors matter?
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had she already turned it down?
yes. accepted it? yes.

Hominid wrote, "had she already been offered the part? yes...." I did write that.

I hope I'm following this saga correctly. I hope so too. It's funny that you're calling it a "saga," as it's fairly simple and mundane.

Was this a case of professional jealousy? maybe.

Do we need to find out why the main part needed recasting? you've figured out that she didn't want the part, and that's all there is for a reason. Just figure out Anna's role, from beginning to end.

Do looks, hair color, size, voice, relationships with the other actors matter? no.
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I said, "Hominid wrote re 'had she already been offered the part?' yes.... I did write that." I said, "I hope I'm following this saga correctly." Hominid said, It's funny that you're calling it a "saga"
Okay, yay, so we're BOTH comedians! hee hee!

Enjay had an earlier summary, but I'd like to try a new one, with the new info:

Rose hoped that Anna would do the job, but in fact she got angry.

Anna was "probably" angry that Rose would think she might be willing to do the job.

Anna was "probably" angry at how she was contacted.

Anna wasn't offended by the nature of the task, but was angry because Rose should have known she wouldn't be interested. WE MUST DISCOVER why Rose should have known this.

Anna already had a part. "YES. Now explore this."

She had a part in the same play, and she did not want a different part.

Here, Hominid, is where you get tricky and vague:

Is she already supposed to be playing the part that she is offered? yope. Or does she think she is? noish. Was she already playing the same part? yope.

Rose is seeking a replacement for the main part. It was originally to be played by someone else, someone in the puzzle, who possibly had to drop out.

Is this a faithful account, so far?

This feels to me like a Shakespearean play, in which one actor/actress had to act as twins or to impersonate someone.
(Such as "The Comedy of Errors," "Twelfth Night," "The Merchant of Venice.")

Will we progress if we know which play? and by which author?

But the focus is on Anna, and I want to know exactly what you mean by anger:

angry enough to abandon the production?
angry enough to bitch to other actors?
angry enough that she kept thinking about it but was still able to eat dinner?
irritated?
peeved?
ready to gossip?

Assuming that Anna remained with the play and remained with her own part in the play, was she angry because Rose was asking her to do extra activities involving:
"carrying" other actors (as they phrase it) who were not able to do their full acting job?
doing the director's work?
doing any jobs which weren't acting jobs?
or because she - I've seen at least 10 plays in which a single actor / actress had other minor roles, but also 4 or 5 in which they had to change costumes constantly to portray an important dual role.
So, was she angry at the work-load that Rose was asking for?

I'm going to solve this thing if I have to reach through my monitor screen and grab your shirt, you know!

All best, honeybun!
Fiona
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I said, "Hominid wrote re 'had she already been offered the part?' yes.... I did write that." I said, "I hope I'm following this saga correctly." Hominid said, It's funny that you're calling it a "saga"
Okay, yay, so we're BOTH comedians! hee hee! yay!

Enjay had an earlier summary, but I'd like to try a new one, with the new info:

Rose hoped that Anna would do the job, but in fact she got angry. close, but how did Rose know Anna in the first place.

Anna was "probably" angry that Rose would think she might be willing to do the job. irr.

Anna was "probably" angry at how she was contacted. no.

Anna wasn't offended by the nature of the task, but was angry because Rose should have known she wouldn't be interested. WE MUST DISCOVER why Rose should have known this. no. You do not need to discover this.

Anna already had a part. "YES. Now explore this."

She had a part in the same play, and she did not want a different part. she had a part in the same play. Correct. But the rest is an FA.

Here, Hominid, is where you get tricky and vague:

Is she already supposed to be playing the part that she is offered? yope. Or does she think she is? noish. Was she already playing the same part? yope.

Rose is seeking a replacement for the main part. It was originally to be played by someone else, someone in the puzzle, who possibly had to drop out. Yes, it was originally to be played by SOMEONE IN THE PUZZLE. But who?

Is this a faithful account, so far? yes, except where noted.

This feels to me like a Shakespearean play, in which one actor/actress had to act as twins or to impersonate someone.
(Such as "The Comedy of Errors," "Twelfth Night," "The Merchant of Venice.") That's interesting.

Will we progress if we know which play? and by which author? no. The play was a very liberal adaptation of Sleeping Beauty, hence the puzzle's title, but that's irrelevant.

But the focus is on Anna, and I want to know exactly what you mean by anger:

angry enough to abandon the production? yes, which is what she did.
angry enough to bitch to other actors?
angry enough that she kept thinking about it but was still able to eat dinner?
irritated?
peeved?
ready to gossip? rest irrelevant.

Assuming that Anna remained with the play and remained with her own part in the play, She did not, and you have another FA in this assumption, the same one as above was she angry because Rose was asking her to do extra activities involving:
"carrying" other actors (as they phrase it) who were not able to do their full acting job?
doing the director's work?
doing any jobs which weren't acting jobs?
or because she - I've seen at least 10 plays in which a single actor / actress had other minor roles, but also 4 or 5 in which they had to change costumes constantly to portray an important dual role.
So, was she angry at the work-load that Rose was asking for? It is not relevant why she is angry or why she did not want the role.

I'm going to solve this thing if I have to reach through my monitor screen and grab your shirt, you know! Good plan!

All best, honeybun!
Fiona
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Was Rose an actress in the play?
Did she call Anna to replace her own role?
Did Anna have a more desirable role in the play (for instance, the leading beauty) than the part that needed a replacement (the ugly, old witch)?
Was there any mistake in casting (for instance, was Anna offered one part-which she accepted-and Rose called her to tell her she was actually supposed to play someone else)?
Did Jane have a role in the play prior to Rose's call?
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Was Rose an actress in the play? irr.
Did she call Anna to replace her own role? explain this more carefully, but you're on the right track.
Did Anna have a more desirable role in the play (for instance, the leading beauty) than the part that needed a replacement (the ugly, old witch)? irr.
Was there any mistake in casting (for instance, was Anna offered one part-which she accepted-and Rose called her to tell her she was actually supposed to play someone else)? no.
Did Jane have a role in the play prior to Rose's call? irr; assume no.
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did Rose want Anna to stand in for her? just for a while? permanently?
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Was Anna angry about the reason she was offered the part?
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did Rose want Anna to stand in for her? no. Rose was not an actress in the play. just for a while? permanently?

Was Anna angry about the reason she was offered the part? irr.
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Did she call Anna to offer Anna her (Anna's) current role? Another role?
Did she say something like, "The woman currently playing [female role] is just terrible. We'd like to offer you the part."?
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Did she call Anna to offer Anna her (Anna's) current role? yope. Another role? no.
Did she say something like, "The woman currently playing [female role] is just terrible. We'd like to offer you the part."? no.
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Did she expect Anna to play more than one role?
Did she want to change Anna's role in some way?
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Is Rose in some other position with regard to the play? Such as director? Stage manager? Usher?
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did she offer Anna the part of understudy for the part she's already playing?
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Did she expect Anna to play more than one role? no.
Did she want to change Anna's role in some way? no.
Is Rose in some other position with regard to the play? Such as director? assume this. Stage manager? Usher?
did she offer Anna the part of understudy for the part she's already playing? no.
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Does Rose call Anna 'Jane'?

Does Rose offer Anna the identical part that Anna already has previously both declined, and accepted?

Is it sort of like... We went through all this, you trying to get me to do the part, and you can't even remember that I agreed already?

Is Rose forgetful? Disorganized?
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Is Rose asking Anna to take the same role, but in another production? a touring production? or a variation on the original (pastiche or satire on the original?)
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Does Rose call Anna 'Jane'? no.

Does Rose offer Anna the identical part that Anna already has previously both declined, and accepted? yes, but not in the way you seem to think.

Is it sort of like... We went through all this, you trying to get me to do the part, and you can't even remember that I agreed already? no.

Is Rose forgetful? Disorganized? irrelevant.

Is Rose asking Anna to take the same role, but in another production? a touring production? or a variation on the original (pastiche or satire on the original?) no to all. Only one production is involved, and only one role in that production is relevant.
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Does Rose comment on Anna's performance? Jane's?
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Shrek relevant? Or more precisely Princess Fiona?
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From what I understand
Anna is angry because Rose offered her a part she had previously declined? And Anna isn't going to play the part Jane is?


Did the original actress have a reason for not being able to play the part therefore making Rose call Anna, Luke, and Jane?
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Does Rose comment on Anna's performance? no. Jane's? no.

Shrek relevant? Or more precisely Princess Fiona? neither.

From what I understand
Anna is angry because Rose offered her a part she had previously declined? not quite. And Anna isn't going to play the part Jane is? yes.


Did the original actress have a reason for not being able to play the part therefore making Rose call Anna, Luke, and Jane? she did have a reason, yes. The reason is irrelevant. However, you have a slight FA.
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Recap please?
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****************RECAP************************

Rose, the director of a play, called Anna to see if she would play the part. Anna refused. Then she tried to call Jane but instead called Luke, who was amused that he would be asked (albeit accidentally) to play a female part. Lastly, she called Jane, who agreed to play the part.

What you need to figure out is why Rose called Anna.
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oh dear, I thought Rose called Anna first because she would be best for the part, and we were trying to find out why she was displeased

did she call Anna to get Jane's number?
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Is there something about the age? Or physical appearance? Or mental condition? Of the character in the play which causes Anna to refuse the part?
Or some physical demands for the part which Anna finds unsuitable? Or some morally questionable aspect to the part (e.g. the part could be a prostitute, which Anna doesn't want to be associated with)?
The director called Anna on purpose, correct? Knowing that is was Anna she had called, and thinking her right for the part, correct?
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Did Anna's personal circumstances change during the course of the casting of the play?
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oh dear, I thought Rose called Anna first because she would be best for the part, and we were trying to find out why she was displeased I know. That's what most people thought. But it's partly true.

did she call Anna to get Jane's number? no.

Is there something about the age? Or physical appearance? Or mental condition? Of the character in the play which causes Anna to refuse the part?
Or some physical demands for the part which Anna finds unsuitable? Or some morally questionable aspect to the part (e.g. the part could be a prostitute, which Anna doesn't want to be associated with)? no or irrelevant to all. You do not need to figure out why Anna does not want the part; only what her role in all this was before she was called.
The director called Anna on purpose, correct? Knowing that is was Anna she had called, and thinking her right for the part, correct? all correct.

HINT: They had already been rehearsing the play for some time.


Did Anna's personal circumstances change during the course of the casting of the play? yope or irrelevant; I'm not sure which.
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so at some point already in the timeframe of the puzzle, this part belonged to anna, and for whatever reason, it no longer does? had the part been taken from her?
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Did Anna originally accept it then have to quit do to some irrelevant reason, and by Rose calling her again after she (Anna) quit anger her?
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Is the play relevant? plot/storyline?
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welcome, Wecl0me12!
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so at some point already in the timeframe of the puzzle, this part belonged to anna, and for whatever reason, it no longer does? right. had the part been taken from her? no.

Did Anna originally accept it then have to quit do to some irrelevant reason, and by Rose calling her again after she (Anna) quit anger her? yes.

*******************SPOILER********************

Anna was part of a play until she quit. Rose, the director of a play, called Anna to see if she would come back to play the part. Anna refused. Then she tried to call Jane but instead called Luke, who was amused that he would be asked (albeit accidentally) to play a female part. Lastly, she called Jane, who agreed to play the part.

Congratulations, Amnu1, and everyone else who worked on this, and sorry for the complicated puzzle and the delay.
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thanks and welcome back!

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