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Thalia, a teacher, found one student's ignorance truly inspiring. How come?
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Did it reveal to her that she hadn't taught something as well as she thought she had?
Did it prompt her to research a fact she hadn't thought to look up? (come to think of it, why ISN'T it like that...?)
Did it make her think of a better way to introduce a particular topic, so as to avoid misconceptions?
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Did it reveal to her that she hadn't taught something as well as she thought she had?no
Did it prompt her to research a fact she hadn't thought to look up? no(come to think of it, why ISN'T it like that...?) no
Did it make her think of a better way to introduce a particular topic, so as to avoid misconceptions? no
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is the subject being taught relevant?

was the student a teenager?

ignorance in terms of not knowing facts? or being rude?
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is the subject being taught relevant? yes

was the student a teenager? yes

ignorance in terms of not knowing facts? yes or being rude? no
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While ignoring what the teacher taught did he\she(I am after this using he for the student) did something constructive? something creative ?

For that: Is the student Male?


Did he learned something else while he ignored the teacher?

Any other person relevant?
Someone who is present at the time when facts were re asked?
The subject is science?
arts?
some language(english,german,french) ?
commerce( business, economics,accounts)?
Social science?
Environmental studies?
Psychology ?

Did she ask what she told and he made out something very creative of it? or something what the teacher wouldn't have thought otherwise?


Is Thalia trying to increase her students caliber? thinking level? Knowledge? Factual knowledge?


Would you say Thalia is a good teacher?


Did Thalia asked him something? Did he told Thalia something on his own?


Would Thalia want all students to be like the student?


Did the answer he gave to Thalia made her thought of a new way of teaching?
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While ignoring what the teacher taught did he\she(I am after this using he for the student) did something constructive? something creative ? please clarify

For that: Is the student Male? irrel


Did he learned something else while he ignored the teacher?n/a

Any other person relevant? yesish
Someone who is present at the time when facts were re asked? no
The subject is science?
arts?
some language(english,german,french) ?
commerce( business, economics,accounts)?
Social science?
Environmental studies?
Psychology ? the subject is literature or composition

Did she ask what she told and he made out something very creative of it? noor something what the teacher wouldn't have thought otherwise? yes


Is Thalia trying to increase her students caliber?{just intellectual caliberthinking level? yes Knowledge? yesFactual knowledge? yesish


Would you say Thalia is a good teacher? irrel


Did Thalia asked him something? no Did he told Thalia something on his own? yes


Would Thalia want all students to be like the student? no


Did the answer he gave to Thalia made her thought of a new way of teaching? no
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did she, as a result of his ignorance, create something herself? did he somehow give her an idea? that she used to create? a story? art work?

do we need to find out what he was being ignorant about?

did his ignorance reveal to her that there were people who did not know something she knew? where she had previously thought it was obvious? or everyine knew it?

did he say something relevant? do something? had she asked him a question? in class? asked him to do something? did she overhear something he said?
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"Any other person relevant?"


There is a quote by Einstein which says, you can teach little children by example; but the really only good way to teach anyone is by example.
(I know I didn't get that exactly right.)
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did she, as a result of his ignorance, create something herself? no did he somehow give her an idea?yope that she used to create? no a story? no art work? no

do we need to find out what he was being ignorant about? yes

did his ignorance reveal to her that there were people who did not know something she knew? yes where she had previously thought it was obvious? see next answeror everyine knew it? yesish

did he say something relevant? yesdo something? see previous answer had she asked him a question? no in class? He said it in her class, but not in response to a question asked him to do something? no did she overhear something he said? He spoke directly to her.
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"Any other person relevant?"


There is a quote by Einstein which says, you can teach little children by example; but the really only good way to teach anyone is by example.
(I know I didn't get that exactly right.)How do you teach anyone by example that Columbus came to America in 1492 or that dinosaurs are extinct?
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mime?
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mime? Try it!
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Is a particular piece of literature relevant? a particular author? a particular literary style?

Did he reveal his ignorance by asking a question? making a statement?

Did his ignorance give her an opportunity to teach him something?
Was she inspired by the knowledge that the thing he is ignorant of is rare enough that someone has never heard of it? (perhaps the thing is some terrible evil?)
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Is a particular piece of literature relevant? many would be appropriate but they all have something in common. Find out what! a particular author? author is irrel a particular literary style? style is irrel

Did he reveal his ignorance by asking a question? yesish or yopemaking a statement? yes

Did his ignorance give her an opportunity to teach him something? yes, but that's semi-relevant, at most
Was she inspired by the knowledge that the thing he is ignorant of is rare enough that someone has never heard of it? noish, but you're ORT(perhaps the thing is some terrible evil? yes)
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What the appropriate literature has in common: form? genre? language? country/region of origin? topic? date range? fiction? non-fiction?

The terrible evil: a specific historical event? like a war? or the holocaust? or a terrorist attack? or something more general? like racism? poverty? slavery? is it something that still happens or is still happening today?

Is the terrible evil the topic of the literature?
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What the appropriate literature has in common: form? no genre? nolanguage? no country/region of origin? noish topic? yes date range? yes fiction? yes non-fiction? possible but less likely

The terrible evil: a specific historical event? yopelike a war? not that or the holocaust? not that or a terrorist attack? not that or something more general? yope like racism? not that poverty? not that slavery? not that is it something that still happens or is still happening today? yope

Is the terrible evil the topic of the literature? yes
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all right, so let me see if I've got this right.

a teenager was found ignorant of something in his/her Literature/Composition class, by his/her teacher, Thalia. This "something" was "a terrible evil" that is yopishly a specific historical event, but not a war/The Holocaust/a terrorist attack. It's yopishly more general, but not racism/poverty/slavery, and yopishly still happens or is still happening today. This "terrible evil" is the topic of the literature.

Country/region of origin is noishly relevant, but the date range of the fictional literature is relevant.

Is this all correct? Did I miss anything?
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What the appropriate literature has in common: form? no genre? nolanguage? no country/region of origin? noish topic? yes date range? yes fiction? yes non-fiction? possible but less likely

The terrible evil: a specific historical event? yopelike a war? not that or the holocaust? not that or a terrorist attack? not that or something more general? yope like racism? not that poverty? not that slavery? not that is it something that still happens or is still happening today? yope

Is the terrible evil the topic of the literature? yes
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all right, so let me see if I've got this right.

a teenager was found ignorant of something in his/her Literature/Composition class, by his/her teacher, Thalia. This "something" was "a terrible evil" that is yopishly a specific historical event, but not a war/The Holocaust/a terrorist attack. It's yopishly more general, but not racism/poverty/slavery, and yopishly still happens or is still happening today. This "terrible evil" is the topic of the literature.

Country/region of origin is noishly relevant, but the date range of the fictional literature is relevant.

Is this all correct? yes Did I miss anything? no
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Were they reading distopia books? A specific book? (i.e. 1984, Farenheit 451) Perhaps this enlightened teacher was introducing them to science fiction? Dune? Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Foundation? Were the relevant books written in the 1700s? 1800s? 1900s? 2000s?

Was his ignorance of the topic of the book? The theme? A particular plight? Or political issue? A particular plot mechanic? (i.e. using futuristic slang) A particular writing mechanic?
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Nimue wrote: "How do you teach anyone by example that Columbus came to America in 1492 or that dinosaurs are extinct?"

I just laughed so hard that I woke up my cat. You're brilliant and I'm a bit embarrassed.

You rock and rule.
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I want to go back to your title: "Inspiring Ignorance."

Is the ignorance a sort of prevailing ignorance, such as Mark Twain used to joke about; or maybe the type that South Park can joke about / be satirical about?

In other words, is this ignorance local or provincial or in any way confined to an area?

Or does the ignorance reside in a child / teenager / parent / older people - and do the ages matter?
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is this "something" only happening today in certain countries? certain parts of the world? developing countries?

is it something quite specific like female circumcision?

is it the use of rape as an act of wartime aggression?
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Were they reading distopia books? no A specific book? (i.e. 1984, Farenheit 451No. By the way, I wonder if anyone else on the forum agrees with me that these 2 books are MILES apart in quality. I think 1984 is a terrific novel, with excellent characters & much to offer beyond its obvious political message, but Farenheit 451 is horribly heavy-handed & has nothing to offer beyond the trite & annoying idea that we're wonderful because we read books) Perhaps this enlightened teacher was introducing them to science fiction?science fiction is irrel Dune? Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Foundation? Were the relevant books written in the 1700s? 1800s? 1900s? 2000s?The relevant item was a short story, although some novels would have worked as well. They couldn't have been written before the mid-1980's.

Was his ignorance of the topic of the book?yesish The theme? noishA particular plight? yes Or political issue? noish A particular plot mechanic? yes(i.e. using futuristic slang That's not it.) A particular writing mechanic? no
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Nimue wrote: "How do you teach anyone by example that Columbus came to America in 1492 or that dinosaurs are extinct?"

I just laughed so hard that I woke up my cat. You're brilliant and I'm a bit embarrassed. Thanks! I'm delighted to make people laugh. . .but not to wake up a CAT, whose picture I would love to see, by the way. Can you email it to me at Felicia_Ackerman@brown.edu?

You rock and rule. And so in likewise to you!!
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I want to go back to your title: "Inspiring Ignorance."

Is the ignorance a sort of prevailing ignorance, such as Mark Twain used to joke about; or maybe the type that South Park can joke about / be satirical about? no

In other words, is this ignorance local or provincial or in any way confined to an area? not to area

Or does the ignorance reside in a child / teenager it was a teenager / parent / older people Older than whom? Is this a euphemism for 'old people'? - and do the ages matter? yesish
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is this "something" only happening today in certain countries? certain parts of the world? developing countries? it happens in every country that I know of, but the puzzle would not hold in every country.

is it something quite specific yes like female circumcision? That's not it.

is it the use of rape as an act of wartime aggression? no
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Your answer to Kaylee obviates, I think, the need to ask whether stylistic points matter: such as punctuation, spelling, oratory or rhetorical statements, and so on.

((OKAY, WAIT: the rest of you IGNORE THIS, PLEASE, while I chat a bit with Nimue:

Nimue, quoting us both:

"Or does the ignorance reside in ... older people"

"Older than whom? Is this a euphemism for 'old people'?"

Nimue and everyone: I've been a librarian for 20 years right up until I quit my job 2 months ago, and - you're going to hate this as much as I do - the Library of Congress recently decided that, loike, anyone above the age of (I think) 55 will now have the Subject Heading "Older People."

Someone took an idiotic survey, or something.

I suppose I typed that stupid phrase by habitual use, but the term has to insult just about all of us who can think logically.

Believe me, the good-hearted folks at Library of Congress try hard, but they are all insane.))


Back to the good stuff:

- and do the ages matter? yesish


Sorry, our wild and free kittehs, but I need to direct Nimue back to some more parentheses:

(Nimue, I *totally* agree with you re Orwell and Bradbury. And my bf is a science fiction author who has lots to dish about Bradbury. But I'm not going there. Unless you beg. JK!)

(And you are sweet to ask for pics of my cats, but even if my email weren't on the fritz, you can imagine them easily if I tell you that Boris is entirely black and Mischka is silver-gray on the upper coat and white on the lower. Very ordinary-looking cats for those colorations. And everyone who knows them, loves them.)

Begging your pardons, all of you, who took the time to read through this that had NOTHING to do with the puzzle.

Fiona
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Your answer to Kaylee obviates, I think, the need to ask whether stylistic points matter: such as punctuation, spelling, oratory or rhetorical statements, and so on.

((OKAY, WAIT: the rest of you IGNORE THIS, PLEASE, while I chat a bit with Nimue:

Nimue, quoting us both:

"Or does the ignorance reside in ... older people"

"Older than whom? Is this a euphemism for 'old people'?"

Nimue and everyone: I've been a librarian for 20 years right up until I quit my job 2 months ago, and - you're going to hate this as much as I do - the Library of Congress recently decided that, loike, anyone above the age of (I think) 55 will now have the Subject Heading "Older People."You're right!! I hate it as much as you do!!

Someone took an idiotic survey, or something.

I suppose I typed that stupid phrase by habitual use, but the term has to insult just about all of us who can think logically.

Believe me, the good-hearted folks at Library of Congress try hard, but they are all insane.))


Back to the good stuff:

- and do the ages matter? yesish


Sorry, our wild and free kittehs, but I need to direct Nimue back to some more parentheses:

(Nimue, I *totally* agree with you re Orwell and Bradbury. And my bf is a science fiction author who has lots to dish about Bradbury. But I'm not going there. Unless you beg. JK! I'll beg!! I'd like to see what he has to say, since I figure that he's as delightful as you are!!

(And you are sweet to ask for pics of my cats, but even if my email weren't on the fritz, you can imagine them easily if I tell you that Boris is entirely black and Mischka is silver-gray on the upper coat and white on the lower. Very ordinary-looking cats for those colorations. And everyone who knows them, loves them.) They sound great! Are they lap cats? Loud & frequent purrers?

Begging your pardons, all of you, who took the time to read through this that had NOTHING to do with the puzzle.

Fiona
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Okay, then: high school or home-schooled teenagers, correct?

I apologize if this has been asked already:
short story written in English?
in America?
in the Empire or its many colonies? (JK!)
a translation?
internationally known and read?

Does the plight have to do with:
harming minds?
harming bodies?
harming seemingly innocent citizens (as in Jackson's "The Lottery")?
dysfunctional families?
spies, impersonations, deceptions of any kind?

Has the story been adapted to film?

This is super fun.

(And let's move chat about Orwell and Bradbury elsewhere. Maybe the chat room? Did I already say this?)
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Thalia's one of the Muses; relevant?
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Okay, then: high school or home-schooled teenagers, correct?College students are also ok; in fact, this happened in one of my classes.

I apologize if this has been asked already:
short story written in English?yes
in America? yes
in the Britis Empire or its many colonies? (JK!) no
a translation? no
internationally known and read? I'm afraid not, because it's one of mine! That's irrel, though

Does the plight have to do with:
harming minds?possibly
harming bodies? yes
harming seemingly innocent citizens (as in Jackson's "The Lottery")? No, By the way, I HATE that story, with its obvious point & lack of characterization. But I love some of her novels, including The Haunting of Hill House and We Have Always Lived in the Castle.
dysfunctional families? no
spies, impersonations, deceptions of any kind? no

Has the story been adapted to film? no

This is super fun. Yes!!!!!!!

(And let's move chat about Orwell and Bradbury elsewhere. Maybe the chat room? Please see my postingthere. Did I already say this?)
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Thalia's one of the Muses; relevant? no
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Nimue, does your story discuss:

race crimes?

crimes against homosexuals?

children with birth defects?

war veterans with any and all kinds of physical or mental disabilities?

And I'm going to throw out there "Münchausen syndrome by proxy" because it's a terrible, if less common, problem ... about which I have started to write notes for a piece of fiction, myself.

(Maybe I could share some bits of it with you ...?)

((That, and compulsive hoarding.
My, isn't it wonderful that all of us here are so happily finding ways to keep insanity away? LOL. - Honestly, I think the fact that you are all so instantly lovable (as I've found 90% of the time to be true of horror writers, too) means that we probably have very good ways to remain sane.))

I mean, we can speak freely, now that you've exposed yourself, Cat-Woman!

I beg your pardon, it's nearly 5 a.m. here in Miami, and I'm too tired to check out the Chat Room, which I'll do tomorrow - for sure!

And I don't know where the rest of you live, because the time-stamps on each entry appear to be wildly all over the world.

But that's okay. We probably don't want the authorities to know that there is a major group of people who love each other and who spend their time thinking up horrible ways that bad things can happen to people.

Laughs and hugs, more tomorrow,
Fiona
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Nimue, does your story discuss:

race crimes? no

crimes against homosexuals? no

children with birth defects? no

war veterans with any and all kinds of physical or mental disabilities? no

And I'm going to throw out there "Münchausen syndrome by proxy" because it's a terrible, if less common, problem ... about which I have started to write notes for a piece of fiction, myself. no

(Maybe I could share some bits of it with you ...?) Please do! You can email me at Felicia_Ackerman@brown.edu

((That, and compulsive hoarding. no--& I'm very skeptical of that diagnosis, which seems to get applied to people who have more stuff than they have room for & hence targets the poor.
My, isn't it wonderful that all of us here are so happily finding ways to keep insanity away? LOL. - Honestly, I think the fact that you are all so instantly lovable (as I've found 90% of the time to be true of horror writers, too) means that we probably have very good ways to remain sane.))

I mean, we can speak freely, now that you've exposed yourself, Cat-Woman! Meow!!

I beg your pardon, it's nearly 5 a.m. here in Miami, and I'm too tired to check out the Chat Room, which I'll do tomorrow - for sure!

And I don't know where the rest of you live, because the time-stamps on each entry appear to be wildly all over the world.

But that's okay. We probably don't want the authorities to know that there is a major group of people who love each other and who spend their time thinking up horrible ways that bad things can happen to people.

Laughs and hugs, more tomorrow,
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HINT: Find out when the story was first published & when the inspiring incident occurred.
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OK - when was the story first published? and when did the inspiring event occur?
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was the story published this century? post 9/11?
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Oh, Nimue, your C.V. is awesome!

I tried to open "Flourish Your Heart in This World" and "The Other Two Sides," but couldn't "get in."

And OFF TOPIC: You've published twice as many stories as I have, evidently. I want to read yours!

Okay, back to your puzzle...
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Your story "Flourish Your Heart in This World" was published in 1998; "The Other Two Sides" in 2008).

So do you want us to be thinking about events in those years?

(And I'm not a librarian for nothing. I'll open and read those stories. But it will have to wait until later today.)

Or, wait. Clearly not every single person here is a librarian, so there must be easy ways to find your stories. I have the usual librarian anxiety about wanting to help *everyone* to find what they need.

But please be patient while I do a few chores and then come back here.
Fiona
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OK - when was the story first published? 1994 and when did the inspiring event occur? about 3 years ago
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was the story published this century? yes--1994 post 9/11? no & irrel
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Oh, Nimue, your C.V. is awesome! Tell that to my chairman!!

I tried to open "Flourish Your Heart in This World" and "The Other Two Sides," but couldn't "get in."Neither is the story in this puzzle.

And OFF TOPIC: You've published twice as many stories as I have, evidently. You've published 7 1/2??I want to read yours! Send me your email address & I'll mail you links & attachments. I've also published about 40 poems, in case you're really a glutton for punishment.I'd like to read your stories, too. Can you email them to Felicia_Ackerman@brown.edu?

Okay, back to your puzzle...
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Your story "Flourish Your Heart in This World" was published in 1998; "The Other Two Sides" in 2008).The story in question was first above published in 1994.

So do you want us to be thinking about events in those years?see above

(And I'm not a librarian for nothing. I'll open and read those stories. But it will have to wait until later today.)

Or, wait. Clearly not every single person here is a librarian, so there must be easy ways to find your stories. Several are online, but if you read the story, the solution may be too easy.I have the usual librarian anxiety about wanting to help *everyone* to find what they need.

But please be patient while I do a few chores and then come back here.
Fiona
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the event in question was obviously well-publicised, but did it affect you personally? more than inspiring you to write a story that is?

did you observe it at first hand?
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the event in question was obviously well-publicised, but did it affect you personally? no more than inspiring you to write a story that is? no

did you observe it at first hand? no
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HINT: Since you now now when the story was first published (1994) & when the inspiring ignorance was exhibited (about 3 years ago), all you need to do is find out the terrible thing that is the story's focus, & you'll be able to solve the puzzle quickly--& I'll be able to post a new one!!
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Nimue, I've missed this thread (just, y'know, minor stuff at home to deal with; not nearly as fun as coming here) and am sorry!

I remember 1994 fairly vividly, because of a personal tragic event and a personal wonderful event. Whether my recollections will match your story is something else.

Earlier, we'd had the September 11 attacks on the Twin Towers, and the national press never let up on it. Armies gathered. Rhetoric gathered...

1994, though: Around then, a lot of Slavic countries got divorced. I remember a friend making a joke about Bosnia's neighbors.

On my birthday, I read in the news that horrible bloodshed was going on in Rwanda.

That summer, a comet slammed into Jupiter, which I recall laughingly because I was at a science fiction conference and a rocket scientist there said, "Just wait until Jupiter rotates. Those with telescopes will see that the impact reads: YOU'RE NEXT."

Clinton was in office and I think that was around when nuclear armies began to power down. So to speak.

Wow, now I'm awash in memories and you are asking us for more, what, local events, right?

Okay, so set me straight, and I certainly want to read the next puzzle you'll post!
Fiona
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Nimue, I've missed this thread (just, y'know, minor stuff at home to deal with; not nearly as fun as coming here) and am sorry!

I remember 1994 fairly vividly, because of a personal tragic event and a personal wonderful event. Whether my recollections will match your story is something else. Judging from your post, they don't match.

Earlier, we'd had the September 11 attacks on the Twin Towers, and the national press never let up on it. Armies gathered. Rhetoric gathered...

1994, though: Around then, a lot of Slavic countries got divorced. I remember a friend making a joke about Bosnia's neighbors. irrel

On my birthday, I read in the news that horrible bloodshed was going on in Rwanda. irrel

That summer, a comet slammed into Jupiter, which I recall laughingly because I was at a science fiction conference and a rocket scientist there said, "Just wait until Jupiter rotates. Those with telescopes will see that the impact reads: YOU'RE NEXT." irrel

Clinton was in office and I think that was around when nuclear armies began to power down. So to speak. irrel

Wow, now I'm awash in memories and you are asking us for more, what, local events, right? Although the story was set in 1994, it could have been set anytime between the late 19980's & around 2000 (although the millennium itself is irrel.

Okay, so set me straight, and I certainly want to read the next puzzle you'll post!
Fiona
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Terrible thing: disaster? If so: natural? Manmade? Terrorist attack? War? Famine? Pestilence? Murder? Robbery? Financial crisis? Scandal? Cold war relevant? Cuba crisis?
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Terrible thing: disaster? yesIf so: natural? yes Manmade? no Terrorist attack? no War? no Famine? noPestilence? yesMurder? no Robbery? no Financial crisis? no Scandal? no Cold war relevant? noCuba crisis? no
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Disease? If so: Malaria? Cholera? Black death? HIV/AIDS? SARS? Bird flu? Pig flu? Some other flu? Disease affecting animals? Mad cow?
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Disease? If so: Malaria? Cholera? Black death? HIV/AIDS? SARS? Bird flu? Pig flu? Some other flu? Disease affecting animals? Mad cow? HIV/AIDS
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Was it ignorance about the disease? If so, about: origins? Transmission? Symptoms? what HIV is vs what AIDS is? Treatment? Causes of death?
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one of my cousins' other uncles had HIV/AIDS...one of my father's theories about why I have seizures is because Mitchell held me before he died...yeah...
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maybe you're a lovely person because Mitchell held you
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Was it ignorance about the disease? yesIf so, about: origins? no Transmission? noSymptoms? nowhat HIV is vs what AIDS is? no Treatment? yesCauses of death? yes or yesish
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one of my cousins' other uncles had HIV/AIDS...one of my father's theories about why I have seizures is because Mitchell held me before he died...yeah...
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maybe you're a lovely person because Mitchell held you Or maybe the obvious hypothesis is the right one: Mitchell's holding you had no lasting effect on you at all.
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Is the student's country of origin relevant?
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Is the student's country of origin relevant? possibly
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Is the student from a place where HIV/AIDS is extremely common? Extremely uncommon? Does he think HIV/AIDS has a cure?
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Is the student from a place where HIV/AIDS is extremely common? He could be from anywhere, but the actual case was an American & it is most likely that he'd from a developed country where AIDS was fairly common. Extremely uncommon? see previous answer Does he think HIV/AIDS has a cure? no
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Does he think: it's worse than it really is? It's not as bad as it really is?
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle description: The student, who was about 18, displayed this inspiring ignorance when the class discussed a story about AIDS. The story was first published in 1994. The inspiring ignorance was displayed around 2008.
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I'm a little confused as to exactly what we are trying to discover here Felicia Nimue..

are there two things: a) what the teenager got wrong and b) what her response to that was (how it was 'inspirational'?

what he got wrong: was it that HIV/AIDS can be treated now? that people who can access drugs don't necessarily die early with it any more? that it has become a 'chronic' disease?

and her response: was it just the gain in knowledge that there are some people who still think like this? that ignorance about HIV/AIDS is still out there?
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I'm a little confused as to exactly what we are trying to discover here Felicia Nimue..

are there two things: a) what the teenager got wrong yesand b) what her response to that was (how it was 'inspirational'? yes

what he got wrong: was it that HIV/AIDS can be treated now? yes that people who can access drugs don't necessarily die early with it any more? yesthat it has become a 'chronic' disease? yes

and her response: was it just the gain in knowledge that there are some people who still think like this? no that ignorance about HIV/AIDS is still out there? no

******** SPOILER ************
A few years ago, I used a short story of mine, first published in 1994, about a woman who becomes an "AIDS buddy" (helper & ersatz friend to an AIDS patient). A student in the class said something along the lines of "Why is that guy so sorry for himself? So he's got AIDS, big deal. My brother's a diabetic." He had no idea that AIDS used to be a death sentence! From death sentence to manageable chronic illness in less than 25 years--it's a medical miracle! Please check out my new, non-miraculous puzzle.
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By the way, I think people with manageable chronic illnesses are perfectly entitled to feel sorry for themselves. I sure would, if I had one, especially if it were diabetes. No gooey desserts!!

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