| Author | Message | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5014 Registered: 12-2000 |
The very thing that entrapped others was the thing that freed her | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4102 Registered: 9-2010 |
others: H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/mixed? her: H/A/F? thing: an object? a catastrophic event? a discovery of some sort? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4103 Registered: 9-2010 |
can we call her Lynne? =D | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5016 Registered: 12-2000 |
others: H/A/M? H/A/F? this one H/A/mixed? her: H/A/F? yes thing: an object? this one a catastrophic event? a discovery of some sort? can we call her Lynne? =D I think that may confuse everyone as the HAF here is so not me and people might make the wrong assumptions, but you may choose a name! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4106 Registered: 9-2010 |
how many "others" are there? may we call her Emma then? that's a pretty name =) was Emma a prisoner? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5018 Registered: 12-2000 |
how many "others" are there? uncountable, millions may we call her Emma then? that's a pretty name =)Emma is an eminently suitable name! was Emma a prisoner? in a manner of speaking, yes | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4108 Registered: 9-2010 |
does Emma have some sort of disability? physical? emotional? mental? a psychological disorder? is Emma an 'eminently suitable name' just because I like it, or because it's somehow relevant and I hit upon a clue by accident? is the fact that Emma is the name of my best friend/writing partner relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5022 Registered: 12-2000 |
does Emma have some sort of disability? not at all physical? emotional? mental? a psychological disorder? is Emma an 'eminently suitable name' just because I like it, or because it's somehow relevant and I hit upon a clue by accident? yes, but don't get bogged down in finding out what the clue is, you'll just find that it will suit her is the fact that Emma is the name of my best friend/writing partner relevant? no | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4110 Registered: 9-2010 |
is this a true story? from your own imagination? from someone else's imagination? did it happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? 12th? 11th? 10th? 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? 4th? 3rd? 2nd? 1st? did it happen in B.C.? is there a century or time period it absolutely *could not* have happened prior to? or after? did this happen in North America? South America? Africa? Europe? Asia? Australia? Oceania? Antarctica? (Just making absolutely sure if there's penguins in the story or not *grin* *loves penguins*) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5023 Registered: 12-2000 |
is this a true story? yes from your own imagination? from someone else's imagination? did it happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? this one18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? 12th? 11th? 10th? 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? 4th? 3rd? 2nd? 1st? did it happen in B.C.? is there a century or time period it absolutely *could not* have happened prior to? or after? more likely that it would not happen after the early 20th century did this happen in North America? South America? Africa? this one Europe? Asia? Australia? Oceania? Antarctica? (Just making absolutely sure if there's penguins in the story or not *grin* *loves penguins*) none, sorry, not even chocolate ones | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4112 Registered: 9-2010 |
not even chocolate ones! =( *haz a sad for the chocolate penguins* I got a chocolate penguin last Christmas. It was so adorable that when I finally managed to eat it, I had to close my eyes so I couldn't watch myself destroying the adorableness. Africa, then, 19th century. Slavery relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5024 Registered: 12-2000 |
not even chocolate ones! =( *haz a sad for the chocolate penguins* I got a chocolate penguin last Christmas. It was so adorable that when I finally managed to eat it, I had to close my eyes so I couldn't watch myself destroying the adorableness. the ones I'm talking about are not penguin shaped so no trauma is involved in eating them http://tinyurl.com/39c7mdy Africa, then, 19th century. yes Slavery relevant? no | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4114 Registered: 9-2010 |
but tearing the wrapper would be sad =( Scramble for Africa? European colonization? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5025 Registered: 12-2000 |
but tearing the wrapper would be sad =( I'm sure you could tear it without tearing the penguin! And just think, lots of piccies to frame... Scramble for Africa? European colonization? not relevant | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 370 Registered: 9-2006 |
'Entrapped' and 'freed': literally (physically) or metaphorically? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5026 Registered: 12-2000 |
'Entrapped' and 'freed': literally (physically) or metaphorically? entrapped - metaphorical freed - literally (almost) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1426 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the thing a law? a tradition? a common practice? words? a language? a book? an idea? a movement? a belief system? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5029 Registered: 12-2000 |
was the thing a law? the thing itself was an object a tradition? a common practice? words? a language? a book? an idea? a movement? a belief system? | ||
| Ostap (Ostap)
New member Username: Ostap Post Number: 97 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was Emma native to an African country? Was she famous? Was she a queen or princess? Did I understand right that the entrapped were only women? Were they native Africans? Were they entrapped in Africa? Were they entrapped more or less the same time Emma got freed? before? after? Metaphorically entrapped as in "entrapped by their own mistakes"? entrapped by their past? entrapped by circumstances of their life? by the social structures they lived in? by their poverty? Caste relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5034 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was Emma native to an African country? no Was she famous? she is now Was she a queen or princess? no Did I understand right that the entrapped were only women? yes Were they native Africans? no Were they entrapped in Africa? no Were they entrapped more or less the same time Emma got freed? yes before? after? Metaphorically entrapped as in "entrapped by their own mistakes"? entrapped by their past? entrapped by circumstances of their life? this one by the social structures they lived in? exactly this by their poverty?no Caste relevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14057 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Emma in any way physically entrapped? Class structure relevant? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 852 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did Emma free herself? or did something happen (without much of Emma's contribution) that resulted in her being free? Was she entrapped in the same way as the other women before she got free? Marriage relevant? Divorce? Money? Was Emma in Africa for professional reasons? Was she married? if so: did she follow her husband to Africa? Is Emma a reference to the Jane Austin novel? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5036 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was Emma in any way physically entrapped? YES Class structure relevant? only in what's already been said about women being entrapped by the social structures in which they lived | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4123 Registered: 9-2010 |
was Emma a suffragette? *now has "Sister Suffragette" stuck in head* Kaylee kitteh iz fond of "Mary Poppins"...teh movie haz penguinz! | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5039 Registered: 12-2000 |
was Emma a suffragette? nope *now has "Sister Suffragette" stuck in head* Kaylee kitteh iz fond of "Mary Poppins"...teh movie haz penguinz! :-) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5040 Registered: 12-2000 |
sorry I missed these earlier Did Emma free herself? yes or did something happen (without much of Emma's contribution) that resulted in her being free? something else enabled her release Was she entrapped in the same way as the other women before she got free? no, her entrapment was physical, their's was metaphorical Marriage relevant? Divorce? Money? no to all Was Emma in Africa for professional reasons? no Was she married? no if so: did she follow her husband to Africa? Is Emma a reference to the Jane Austin novel? no, it's a suitable name only in that it was common in the 19th century | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14069 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had Emma been arrested? In prison? Sentenced to death? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5042 Registered: 12-2000 |
Had Emma been arrested? In prison? Sentenced to death? no, nothing like that | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14072 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the "thing" a person? Was Emma trapped in the country/city/some other place? Did she get a Green Card or passport or some other visa to be able to get out? Was Emma the only one freed? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5043 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was the "thing" a person? no Was Emma trapped in the country/city/some other place? no Did she get a Green Card or passport or some other visa to be able to get out? no Was Emma the only one freed? she was the only one in this predicament so yes | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 853 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was Emma kept in captivity? Was she physically trapped (or stuck) somewhere? Was she unable to continue her trip because she lacked a means of transport? Thinking of the "thing" that freed her and entrapped others .. in that era people often belonged to a social class "by birth"; so is the "thing" related to birth? upbringing? social status of the parents? Was Emma of a low social class? (or did it appear this way?) Was Emma kidnapped? Did the kidnappers release her because they were thinking they would not get much money for her? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5045 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was Emma kept in captivity? no Was she physically trapped (or stuck) somewhere? yes Was she unable to continue her trip because she lacked a means of transport? no Thinking of the "thing" that freed her and entrapped others .. in that era people often belonged to a social class "by birth"; so is the "thing" related to birth? no upbringing? no social status of the parents? no Was Emma of a low social class? no (or did it appear this way?) no Was Emma kidnapped? no Did the kidnappers release her because they were thinking they would not get much money for her? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14079 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Emma's age relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5048 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is Emma's age relevant? to a certain degree,yes, (we know she's an adult) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1670 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she stuck in an animal trap? Was she trapped in the sense that she was menaced by an animal? Did she use some element of her garment to free herself? An object that she carried with her? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5049 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was she stuck in an animal trap? yes Was she trapped in the sense that she was menaced by an animal? no Did she use some element of her garment to free herself? an aspect of her garment enabled her to be free An object that she carried with her? no | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 858 Registered: 6-2003 |
Would it help to find out more about the kind of animal trap? Was it a trap for large animals? for reptiles? for birds? for fish? Could the trap type be best described as: snare? cage trap? net? trapping pit? Was Emma traveling in Africa? or did she live there? Was she alone when she got stuck in the trap? Did the "thing" help her to free herself? did she use the "thing" for signalling? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5050 Registered: 12-2000 |
Would it help to find out more about the kind of animal trap? just one aspect of it Was it a trap for large animals? for reptiles? for birds? for fish? The account doesn't say, but I doubt that it was for birds or water living animals Could the trap type be best described as: snare? cage trap? net? trapping pit? it sounded like a trapping pit, certainly no net was mentioned or cage for that matter Was Emma traveling in Africa? yes or did she live there? she may have lived there for weeks or months, but not relevant Was she alone when she got stuck in the trap? not relevant Did the "thing" help her to free herself? it had a redeeming feature that contributed greatly to her freeing herself did she use the "thing" for signalling? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1434 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the thing that helped her free herself an animal? was the piece of clothing a corset? or the stay from a corset? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5051 Registered: 12-2000 |
was the thing that helped her free herself an animal? no, an object was the piece of clothing a corset? no or the stay from a corset? no, but good thinking | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1438 Registered: 2-2011 |
a hatpin? a piece of fabric torn from her clothes? elastic? a stocking? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5052 Registered: 12-2000 |
a hatpin? a piece of fabric torn from her clothes? elastic? a stocking? you're in the right ballpark but none of these are exactly right | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1441 Registered: 2-2011 |
a shoe? or part of a shoe? a button? a belt? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5053 Registered: 12-2000 |
a shoe? or part of a shoe? a button? a belt? no to all, you were closer in the last set of questions | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14085 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it an article of clothing, period? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5054 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was it an article of clothing, period? yes, exactly that | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14090 Registered: 4-2010 |
A hat? Scarf? Shirt? Pants? Shorts? Belt? Dress? Skirt? Undergarments? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5057 Registered: 12-2000 |
Her skirt | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14098 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the specific type of skirt relevant? Could it have been any skirt? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 859 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was it a crinoline? a bustle? any type of hoopskirt (I'm not sure whether this is the right word)? Did it help Emma to climb out of the trapping pit? (using the hoops as a makeshift ladder) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5058 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is the specific type of skirt relevant? Could it have been any skirt? as long as it had one redeeming feature then it would work Was it a crinoline? a bustle? any type of hoopskirt (I'm not sure whether this is the right word)? Did it help Emma to climb out of the trapping pit? (using the hoops as a makeshift ladder) the account doesn't actually state whether it had any extra shaping underneath it. It's possible that it did, but its use as a makeshift ladder, although a good thought, is not the right idea | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1443 Registered: 2-2011 |
did it have a zip? was it just very sturdy? full length? very full? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5060 Registered: 12-2000 |
did it have a zip? was it just very sturdy? full length? very full? very full is good enough - but why did that save her? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5061 Registered: 12-2000 |
I was a bit rushed in replying just now, it was sturdy and full length as well, the zip is irrelevant (if in fact it had been invented at the time) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1444 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the skirt entrap others because native women were used to going semi-naked and had been forced to cover themselves up? or was this kind of skirt special in some way? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5062 Registered: 12-2000 |
did the skirt entrap others because native women were used to going semi-naked and had been forced to cover themselves up? no, the metaphorical entrapment has already been discovered as just the social restrictions of the age in which she lived which compares to the freedom she was now enjoying, a woman who was travelling in Africa; no further comparisons need to be found or was this kind of skirt special in some way? no, it was a typical skirt of the age in which she lived | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 862 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did she take off the skirt? step on it? Did the skirt help her to reach the edge of the pit? Did the skirt get entangled somewhere just before she fell into the pit? and so, she could pull herself out? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5063 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did she take off the skirt? no step on it? no Did the skirt help her to reach the edge of the pit? no Did the skirt get entangled somewhere just before she fell into the pit? no and so, she could pull herself out? no | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5064 Registered: 12-2000 |
In the interests of fairness, I only know one aspect of the trap that she fell into. It may or may not have been a pit as such - I am not familiar with Victorian animal traps and Wiki is not helping me so far. However, one aspect of it is most important, pitfall or not. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1447 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the skirt protect her from thorns? or poisoned twigs? did she use it as a parachute? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5065 Registered: 12-2000 |
did the skirt protect her from thorns? this is close - explore! or poisoned twigs? no did she use it as a parachute? nope | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1449 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the skirt protect her from something? animal? vegetable? mineral? was there an animal in the trap with her? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5066 Registered: 12-2000 |
did the skirt protect her from something? yes animal? vegetable? mineral? mineral was there an animal in the trap with her? no | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 863 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did the skirt prevent her from falling into the pit? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5067 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did the skirt prevent her from falling into the pit? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14102 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did her skirt catch on a thorn? Did she fall into the trap, period? (This was a pit-style trap, right?) Did she activate the trap? Did her skirt activate the trap before she did? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5068 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did her skirt catch on a thorn? not a thorn Did she fall into the trap, period? (This was a pit-style trap, right?) as I said, it sounded like one, but I'm not sure whether it was a pit as such, but either way it had a particular aspect to it that her skirt was instrumental in saving her from Did she activate the trap? not relevant Did her skirt activate the trap before she did? not relevant, but that wasn't the point of the puzzle | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5069 Registered: 12-2000 |
Recapity bappity Emma is a Victorian lady enjoying the freedom of travelling in Africa, unlike her fellow ladies back home. She falls into an animal trap, possibly a pit, possibly something else, but with one all important feature to it. Her skirt saves her. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14110 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were there spikes in the pit? Would the trap have killed her if not for the skirt? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5070 Registered: 12-2000 |
Were there spikes in the pit? Would the trap have killed her if not for the skirt? YES! ******* SPOILER ********** Mary Kingsley (1862 - 1900) was the dutiful Victorian daughter caring for her elderly parents until they died within 6 weeks of each other. She went off travelling and went to West Africa. She fell into an animal trap with twelve inch spikes. "It is at these moments you realize the blessings of a good thick skirt". Well done, and thank you one and all | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5071 Registered: 12-2000 |
And just to add that skirts were not usually conducive to comfortable travelling, unlike the trousers worn by men - but it's highly likely that the men would have been minced meat in that situation. |
