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Lynne (Lynne)
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The very thing that entrapped others was the thing that freed her
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others: H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/mixed?
her: H/A/F?
thing: an object? a catastrophic event? a discovery of some sort?
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can we call her Lynne? =D
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others: H/A/M? H/A/F? this one H/A/mixed?
her: H/A/F? yes
thing: an object? this one a catastrophic event? a discovery of some sort?

can we call her Lynne? =D I think that may confuse everyone as the HAF here is so not me and people might make the wrong assumptions, but you may choose a name!
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how many "others" are there?
may we call her Emma then? that's a pretty name =)
was Emma a prisoner?
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how many "others" are there? uncountable, millions
may we call her Emma then? that's a pretty name =)Emma is an eminently suitable name!
was Emma a prisoner? in a manner of speaking, yes
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does Emma have some sort of disability? physical? emotional? mental? a psychological disorder?

is Emma an 'eminently suitable name' just because I like it, or because it's somehow relevant and I hit upon a clue by accident? is the fact that Emma is the name of my best friend/writing partner relevant?
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does Emma have some sort of disability? not at all physical? emotional? mental? a psychological disorder?

is Emma an 'eminently suitable name' just because I like it, or because it's somehow relevant and I hit upon a clue by accident? yes, but don't get bogged down in finding out what the clue is, you'll just find that it will suit her is the fact that Emma is the name of my best friend/writing partner relevant? no
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is this a true story? from your own imagination? from someone else's imagination?

did it happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? 12th? 11th? 10th? 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? 4th? 3rd? 2nd? 1st? did it happen in B.C.? is there a century or time period it absolutely *could not* have happened prior to? or after?

did this happen in North America? South America? Africa? Europe? Asia? Australia? Oceania? Antarctica? (Just making absolutely sure if there's penguins in the story or not *grin* *loves penguins*)
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is this a true story? yes from your own imagination? from someone else's imagination?

did it happen in the 21st century? 20th? 19th? this one18th? 17th? 16th? 15th? 14th? 13th? 12th? 11th? 10th? 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? 4th? 3rd? 2nd? 1st? did it happen in B.C.? is there a century or time period it absolutely *could not* have happened prior to? or after? more likely that it would not happen after the early 20th century

did this happen in North America? South America? Africa? this one Europe? Asia? Australia? Oceania? Antarctica? (Just making absolutely sure if there's penguins in the story or not *grin* *loves penguins*) none, sorry, not even chocolate ones
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not even chocolate ones! =( *haz a sad for the chocolate penguins* I got a chocolate penguin last Christmas. It was so adorable that when I finally managed to eat it, I had to close my eyes so I couldn't watch myself destroying the adorableness.

Africa, then, 19th century. Slavery relevant?
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not even chocolate ones! =( *haz a sad for the chocolate penguins* I got a chocolate penguin last Christmas. It was so adorable that when I finally managed to eat it, I had to close my eyes so I couldn't watch myself destroying the adorableness. the ones I'm talking about are not penguin shaped so no trauma is involved in eating them
http://tinyurl.com/39c7mdy

Africa, then, 19th century. yes Slavery relevant? no
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but tearing the wrapper would be sad =(

Scramble for Africa? European colonization?
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but tearing the wrapper would be sad =( I'm sure you could tear it without tearing the penguin! And just think, lots of piccies to frame...

Scramble for Africa? European colonization? not relevant
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'Entrapped' and 'freed': literally (physically) or metaphorically?
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'Entrapped' and 'freed': literally (physically) or metaphorically?
entrapped - metaphorical
freed - literally (almost)
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was the thing a law? a tradition? a common practice?

words? a language? a book? an idea? a movement? a belief system?
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was the thing a law? the thing itself was an object a tradition? a common practice?

words? a language? a book? an idea? a movement? a belief system?
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Was Emma native to an African country? Was she famous? Was she a queen or princess?
Did I understand right that the entrapped were only women? Were they native Africans? Were they entrapped in Africa? Were they entrapped more or less the same time Emma got freed? before? after?
Metaphorically entrapped as in "entrapped by their own mistakes"? entrapped by their past? entrapped by circumstances of their life? by the social structures they lived in? by their poverty?
Caste relevant?
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Was Emma native to an African country? no
Was she famous? she is now
Was she a queen or princess? no
Did I understand right that the entrapped were only women? yes
Were they native Africans? no
Were they entrapped in Africa? no
Were they entrapped more or less the same time Emma got freed? yes
before? after?
Metaphorically entrapped as in "entrapped by their own mistakes"? entrapped by their past? entrapped by circumstances of their life? this one
by the social structures they lived in? exactly this
by their poverty?no
Caste relevant? no
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Was Emma in any way physically entrapped?
Class structure relevant?
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Did Emma free herself? or did something happen (without much of Emma's contribution) that resulted in her being free?
Was she entrapped in the same way as the other women before she got free?
Marriage relevant? Divorce? Money?
Was Emma in Africa for professional reasons?
Was she married? if so: did she follow her husband to Africa?
Is Emma a reference to the Jane Austin novel?
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Was Emma in any way physically entrapped? YES
Class structure relevant? only in what's already been said about women being entrapped by the social structures in which they lived
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was Emma a suffragette? *now has "Sister Suffragette" stuck in head* Kaylee kitteh iz fond of "Mary Poppins"...teh movie haz penguinz!
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was Emma a suffragette? nope *now has "Sister Suffragette" stuck in head* Kaylee kitteh iz fond of "Mary Poppins"...teh movie haz penguinz! :-)
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sorry I missed these earlier

Did Emma free herself? yes or did something happen (without much of Emma's contribution) that resulted in her being free? something else enabled her release
Was she entrapped in the same way as the other women before she got free? no, her entrapment was physical, their's was metaphorical
Marriage relevant? Divorce? Money? no to all
Was Emma in Africa for professional reasons? no
Was she married? no if so: did she follow her husband to Africa?
Is Emma a reference to the Jane Austin novel? no, it's a suitable name only in that it was common in the 19th century
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Had Emma been arrested? In prison? Sentenced to death?
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Had Emma been arrested? In prison? Sentenced to death? no, nothing like that
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Was the "thing" a person?

Was Emma trapped in the country/city/some other place? Did she get a Green Card or passport or some other visa to be able to get out?

Was Emma the only one freed?
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Was the "thing" a person? no

Was Emma trapped in the country/city/some other place? no Did she get a Green Card or passport or some other visa to be able to get out? no

Was Emma the only one freed? she was the only one in this predicament so yes
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Was Emma kept in captivity? Was she physically trapped (or stuck) somewhere? Was she unable to continue her trip because she lacked a means of transport?
Thinking of the "thing" that freed her and entrapped others .. in that era people often belonged to a social class "by birth"; so is the "thing" related to birth? upbringing? social status of the parents?
Was Emma of a low social class? (or did it appear this way?)
Was Emma kidnapped? Did the kidnappers release her because they were thinking they would not get much money for her?
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Was Emma kept in captivity? no Was she physically trapped (or stuck) somewhere? yes Was she unable to continue her trip because she lacked a means of transport? no
Thinking of the "thing" that freed her and entrapped others .. in that era people often belonged to a social class "by birth"; so is the "thing" related to birth? no upbringing? no social status of the parents? no
Was Emma of a low social class? no (or did it appear this way?) no
Was Emma kidnapped? no Did the kidnappers release her because they were thinking they would not get much money for her?
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Is Emma's age relevant?
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Is Emma's age relevant? to a certain degree,yes, (we know she's an adult)
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Was she stuck in an animal trap? Was she trapped in the sense that she was menaced by an animal?

Did she use some element of her garment to free herself? An object that she carried with her?
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Was she stuck in an animal trap? yes Was she trapped in the sense that she was menaced by an animal? no

Did she use some element of her garment to free herself? an aspect of her garment enabled her to be free An object that she carried with her? no
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Would it help to find out more about the kind of animal trap?
Was it a trap for large animals? for reptiles? for birds? for fish?
Could the trap type be best described as: snare? cage trap? net? trapping pit?
Was Emma traveling in Africa? or did she live there? Was she alone when she got stuck in the trap? Did the "thing" help her to free herself? did she use the "thing" for signalling?
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Would it help to find out more about the kind of animal trap? just one aspect of it
Was it a trap for large animals? for reptiles? for birds? for fish? The account doesn't say, but I doubt that it was for birds or water living animals
Could the trap type be best described as: snare? cage trap? net? trapping pit? it sounded like a trapping pit, certainly no net was mentioned or cage for that matter
Was Emma traveling in Africa? yes or did she live there? she may have lived there for weeks or months, but not relevant Was she alone when she got stuck in the trap? not relevant Did the "thing" help her to free herself? it had a redeeming feature that contributed greatly to her freeing herself did she use the "thing" for signalling? no
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was the thing that helped her free herself an animal?

was the piece of clothing a corset? or the stay from a corset?
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was the thing that helped her free herself an animal? no, an object

was the piece of clothing a corset? no or the stay from a corset? no, but good thinking
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a hatpin? a piece of fabric torn from her clothes? elastic? a stocking?
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a hatpin? a piece of fabric torn from her clothes? elastic? a stocking? you're in the right ballpark but none of these are exactly right
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a shoe? or part of a shoe?

a button? a belt?
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a shoe? or part of a shoe?

a button? a belt? no to all, you were closer in the last set of questions
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Was it an article of clothing, period?
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Was it an article of clothing, period? yes, exactly that
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A hat? Scarf? Shirt? Pants? Shorts? Belt? Dress? Skirt? Undergarments?
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Her skirt
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Is the specific type of skirt relevant? Could it have been any skirt?
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Was it a crinoline? a bustle? any type of hoopskirt (I'm not sure whether this is the right word)?
Did it help Emma to climb out of the trapping pit?
(using the hoops as a makeshift ladder)
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Is the specific type of skirt relevant? Could it have been any skirt? as long as it had one redeeming feature then it would work

Was it a crinoline? a bustle? any type of hoopskirt (I'm not sure whether this is the right word)?
Did it help Emma to climb out of the trapping pit?
(using the hoops as a makeshift ladder) the account doesn't actually state whether it had any extra shaping underneath it. It's possible that it did, but its use as a makeshift ladder, although a good thought, is not the right idea
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did it have a zip?

was it just very sturdy? full length? very full?
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did it have a zip?

was it just very sturdy? full length? very full? very full is good enough - but why did that save her?
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I was a bit rushed in replying just now, it was sturdy and full length as well, the zip is irrelevant (if in fact it had been invented at the time)
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 9:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the skirt entrap others because native women were used to going semi-naked and had been forced to cover themselves up?

or was this kind of skirt special in some way?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 9:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the skirt entrap others because native women were used to going semi-naked and had been forced to cover themselves up? no, the metaphorical entrapment has already been discovered as just the social restrictions of the age in which she lived which compares to the freedom she was now enjoying, a woman who was travelling in Africa; no further comparisons need to be found

or was this kind of skirt special in some way? no, it was a typical skirt of the age in which she lived
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she take off the skirt?
step on it?
Did the skirt help her to reach the edge of the pit?
Did the skirt get entangled somewhere just before she fell into the pit? and so, she could pull herself out?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she take off the skirt? no
step on it? no
Did the skirt help her to reach the edge of the pit? no
Did the skirt get entangled somewhere just before she fell into the pit? no and so, she could pull herself out? no
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 11:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the interests of fairness, I only know one aspect of the trap that she fell into. It may or may not have been a pit as such - I am not familiar with Victorian animal traps and Wiki is not helping me so far. However, one aspect of it is most important, pitfall or not.
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 11:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the skirt protect her from thorns? or poisoned twigs?

did she use it as a parachute?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the skirt protect her from thorns? this is close - explore! or poisoned twigs? no

did she use it as a parachute? nope
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 12:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the skirt protect her from something?

animal? vegetable? mineral?

was there an animal in the trap with her?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 1:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the skirt protect her from something? yes

animal? vegetable? mineral? mineral

was there an animal in the trap with her? no
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Did the skirt prevent her from falling into the pit?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the skirt prevent her from falling into the pit? no
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Did her skirt catch on a thorn?
Did she fall into the trap, period? (This was a pit-style trap, right?)
Did she activate the trap? Did her skirt activate the trap before she did?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did her skirt catch on a thorn? not a thorn
Did she fall into the trap, period? (This was a pit-style trap, right?) as I said, it sounded like one, but I'm not sure whether it was a pit as such, but either way it had a particular aspect to it that her skirt was instrumental in saving her from
Did she activate the trap? not relevant Did her skirt activate the trap before she did? not relevant, but that wasn't the point of the puzzle
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Recapity bappity

Emma is a Victorian lady enjoying the freedom of travelling in Africa, unlike her fellow ladies back home. She falls into an animal trap, possibly a pit, possibly something else, but with one all important feature to it. Her skirt saves her.
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there spikes in the pit? Would the trap have killed her if not for the skirt?
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were there spikes in the pit? Would the trap have killed her if not for the skirt? YES!

******* SPOILER **********

Mary Kingsley (1862 - 1900) was the dutiful Victorian daughter caring for her elderly parents until they died within 6 weeks of each other. She went off travelling and went to West Africa. She fell into an animal trap with twelve inch spikes.

"It is at these moments you realize the blessings of a good thick skirt".


Well done, and thank you one and all
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Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2011 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And just to add that skirts were not usually conducive to comfortable travelling, unlike the trousers worn by men - but it's highly likely that the men would have been minced meat in that situation.

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