| Author | Message | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5015 Registered: 12-2000 |
If they had seen it in writing rather than hearing it, they wouldn't have taken offence | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4104 Registered: 9-2010 |
they = H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/Mixed? It 1 = It 2? True story? FYOI? FSEI? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5017 Registered: 12-2000 |
they = H/A/M? H/A/F? H/A/Mixed? this one It 1 = It 2? yes True story? FYOI? FSEI? not sure what FSEI is, but it's not a true story, but it's not from my imagination, either | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1665 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a pun involved? Are we talking about a word? A phrase? If a word, is it a homophone with some other, but not a homograph? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4107 Registered: 9-2010 |
FSEI = 'from someone else's imagination', someone else made up a fictional story, so the answer is yes =) Rbruma: Homograph? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5019 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is it a pun involved? no Are we talking about a word? yes A phrase? If a word, is it a homophone with some other, yes. I think but not a homograph? it has the same spelling but a different meaning, as I understand the definition of homograph | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5020 Registered: 12-2000 |
FSEI = 'from someone else's imagination', someone else made up a fictional story, so the answer is yes =) indeedy | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 195 Registered: 7-2011 |
I want to be clear, please: Is the situation here concerning a word like UNIONIZED, which can be pronounced UNIONized or UN-ionized? Or is it like BEAR, in which we have a noun for a wild animal, or a verb (as when a woman bears a child)? Wait. Can we name these people? Are there only 2 people, the speaker and the offended person? If there are more than 2, maybe you can suggest some names. I'm going to use, umm, Dana and Jean (because they aren't gendered), with Dana being the speaker and Jean being the one who was offended. Did Dana know that Jean might be offended? Is the subject of the conversation relevent? Were they speaking to each other, or did Jean overhear Dana, or vice versa? Do the spoken words have to do with: human relationships politics their jobs the arts their households their neighborhood something on TV a game, a movie, or some other form of entertainment Good puzzle! Fiona | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5027 Registered: 12-2000 |
I want to be clear, please: Is the situation here concerning a word like UNIONIZED, which can be pronounced UNIONized or UN-ionized? no, the pronunciation is the same Or is it like BEAR, in which we have a noun for a wild animal, or a verb (as when a woman bears a child)? the sound here is the same, but the example I have is not a noun and a verb Wait. Can we name these people? Are there only 2 people, the speaker and the offended person? no, there is the speaker and many offended persons If there are more than 2, maybe you can suggest some names. I'm going to use, umm, Dana and Jean (because they aren't gendered), with Dana being the speaker and Jean being the one who was offended. as you can see, naming in this way would cause confusion Did Dana know that Jean might be offended? the speaker did not know that his listener and others would be offended Is the subject of the conversation relevent? yes Were they speaking to each other, or did Jean overhear Dana, or vice versa? two people were originally speaking to each other Do the spoken words have to do with: human relationships politics their jobs the arts originally, yes their households their neighborhood and this was the interpretation of what was said something on TV a game, a movie, or some other form of entertainment some form of entertainment Good puzzle! good progress! Fiona | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5028 Registered: 12-2000 |
sorry, I should have said human relationships no politics no their jobs yes the arts yes their households no their neighborhood this was the interpretation of what was said something on TV no a game, a movie, or some other form of entertainment some other form of entertainment Oh, and the listener understood what was meant by the speaker's words, it was another who overheard it who was offended (and thus spread the gossip) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1427 Registered: 2-2011 |
is one interpretation of the word a proper noun? like the name of a town? a suburb? a village? another kind of place name? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5030 Registered: 12-2000 |
is one interpretation of the word a proper noun? if by proper noun you mean a name, then no, the interpretation of the word was just a noun like the name of a town? a suburb? a village? another kind of place name? this one | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1428 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the word in its original intent a proper noun? the name of a place? a person? a month? an orchestra? were the two people discussing a film? play? book? TV program? opera? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5031 Registered: 12-2000 |
was the word in its original intent a proper noun? yes the name of a place? a person? this one a month? an orchestra? were the two people discussing a film? play? this one book? TV program? opera? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14058 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the play a musical? An ordinary play? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5037 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was the play a musical? no An ordinary play? yes, and you will know it! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1431 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the person they were discussing an actor? the playwright? a character in the play? was the interpretation of the word a description of a location? like Street? Park? Block? Garden? Close? Hood? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4120 Registered: 9-2010 |
a Shakespeare play? if so, one of his: Comedies? (such as "A Midsummer Night's Dream") Tragedies? (such as "Romeo and Juliet") Histories? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5038 Registered: 12-2000 |
was the person they were discussing an actor? the playwright? a character in the play? this one was the interpretation of the word a description of a location? yes like Street? Park? Block? Garden? Close? Hood? but not those a Shakespeare play? yes indeed if so, one of his: Comedies? (such as "A Midsummer Night's Dream") Tragedies? yes (such as "Romeo and Juliet") but not that one Histories? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14070 Registered: 4-2010 |
Macbeth? Othello? Hamlet? King Lear? Was the character discussed a title character? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5044 Registered: 12-2000 |
Macbeth? Othello? Hamlet? this one King Lear? Was the character discussed a title character? yes indeed | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 855 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was "Hamlet" understood as place name? as the generic term for small village or neighborhood? or was there a hamlet with the name "Hamlet"? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 856 Registered: 6-2003 |
.. oh yes, after reading the puzzle statement I take back the last question. : ) Of course, in writing it would be obvious whether it is Hamlet or hamlet. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5046 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was "Hamlet" understood as place name? as the generic term for small village or neighborhood? or was there a hamlet with the name "Hamlet"? . oh yes, after reading the puzzle statement I take back the last question. : ) Of course, in writing it would be obvious whether it is Hamlet or hamlet. indeed! so would you like to have a go at finding out what the misunderstanding was, and why people were offended? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14078 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they think someone was describing their town as a hamlet? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1666 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did one of the people speaking say something derogatory about Hamlet the character (like "This Hamlet is stupid/crazy/etc") and the person overhearing the conversation thought he was referring to the town/hamlet? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5047 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did they think someone was describing their town as a hamlet? yes, and ... Did one of the people speaking say something derogatory about Hamlet the character (like "This Hamlet is stupid/crazy/etc") and the person overhearing the conversation thought he was referring to the town/hamlet? the derogatory element is important, yes Good enough for a ****** SPOILER ******** In GK Chesterton's story 'The Vampire of the Village' two actors were overheard arguing about playing the role of Hamlet. 'You'd be a miserable little Hamlet' was said by one, but overheard by a third person who didn't realise that the play of that name was being talked of. They thought that he was disparaging their village. Thank you one and all. | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 223 Registered: 7-2011 |
GREAT puzzle! This reminds me of a short story by Isaac Asimov in one of his collection of stories about detectives who solve problems at the dinner table. A Russian, a guest at the dinner, is very upset because, earlier, he overheard some young men talking about murder and binding and darkness and shadows. He is convinced that someone has been kidnapped and will be murdered. The solution is that they were Tolkien fans who were talking about the one Ring and about Mordor. (And I've just realized that, possibly, someone has already used this story for a puzzle.) Lynx, I'm a newbie, but even without comparison with other puzzles, this one was great! I'll be looking for your next one! Fiona | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5059 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thank you for those kind words! There's still time to squeeze in a final solution to my other puzzle 'Entrapment' if you feel so inclined! | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2011 |
Fiona, I thought I knew all the Black Widowers stories. what is this one called? Is it in a collection? Nice puzzle, Lynne. | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 247 Registered: 7-2011 |
Hi, Solitiare! The story title is "Nothing Like Murder" and it's in the collection entitled _More Tales of the Black Widowers_. I might even have an extra copy to send you. ...Okay, sorry, I went and looked at my paperback shelves and I don't even see my first copy. Maybe I borrowed it from the library. It might even be online by now. All best! Fiona | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 248 Registered: 7-2011 |
*** OFF TOPIC *** Lynne/Lynx-Girl and others: There is a fun connection between the names Hamlet and Olaf / Olav. You all know that the non-English languages of the United Kingdom have weird and wonderful spellings for their words. (I'm being sardonic: English must be one of the worst when it comes to spellings and pronunciations.) In Gaelic, the name Hamlet is spelled, usually, something like Amhlaoibh. Welsh "mh" sounds like a W in English. (Samhain is pronounced saw-wen.) So we keep the "Ah" sound and drop the "mh" for now. So now we have Awl-aoibh. Several vowels in a row will drop some vowels, just as we do in English. "aoi" is pronounced "a" (and very rarely "ee"). "bh" is pronounced like a v (or, sometimes, an f), just as Cuban Spanish speakers will turn a b into a v. So, put them all together, and Hamlet = Amhlaoibh = Olav or Olaf | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 75 Registered: 7-2011 |
Come on, Olaf is Hagar the Horrible's buddy, not the hero of a tragedy! Thx for the tip re Asimov, Fiona. |
