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I believe in signs - I really do.

But now I don't know what to believe.
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On a random thought, is 1984 relevant?
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signs as in portents? or as in road traffic signs?

have you seen a sign? did it lead to the opposite of what you expected?
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On a random thought, is 1984 relevant? No
signs as in portents?No or as in road traffic signs? Yessish

have you seen a sign? Yes did it lead to the opposite of what you expected? It did not lead to any action on my part, except puzzlement.
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Is a typo relevant? Some other form of muddled-up language?
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not a traffice sign then? was it a sign at the side of the road?

was it a sign to a particular location? population?

was it an advert? did it have a religious meaning?
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Is a typo relevant?no Some other form of muddled-up language? yes; you might say ambigious language

not a traffice sign then? was it a sign at the side of the road? no to both

was it a sign to a particular location? Yes! population? no

was it an advert? did it have a religious meaning? no to both
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did the sign just have the name of a town on it?

does this word mean something else? or part of the name?

does the word contain the word "right"? "left"? "back"?
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Does the sign point somewhere? Does it contradict itself? Or contradict something in the vicinity? Like another sign?
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did the sign just have the name of a town on it? No; not that type of sign

does this word mean something else? a word that can be interpreted in different ways. or part of the name? No

does the word contain the word "right"? "left"? "back"? no; not a directional sign

Does the sign point somewhere? No.Does it contradict itself? If read in a certain way, it would seem to contradict itself. Or contradict something in the vicinity? Like another sign? No to both.
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Did it give the distance to a certain place? The direction?
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Did it give the distance to a certain place? The direction? No.

Hint: The title is relevant.
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Was the sign for a government building? Was the sign advertising the place?
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Is the sign a billboard? A road construction sign?
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Was the sign for a government building? Yessish Was the sign advertising the place? no
Is the sign a billboard? No A road construction sign? No, but you're sorta OTRT.
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Was it a temporary sign? Did it have; text? Symbol(s)? Was it an electronic sign? Relevant?
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was it a sign giving out information? like "express highway due for completion 2020?"

one of my favourites is "POLICE SLOW"
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or "SLOW CHILDREN" with a picture of a child-stick figure *running*...
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Was it a temporary sign?At least semi-permanent. I suppose it could have been moved if necessary. Did it have; text? Yes Symbol(s)? No Was it an electronic sign? No, just a plain sign, about the size of a traffic sign, but not one. Relevant?
Yes was it a sign giving out information? Yessish - and instruction like "express highway due for completion 2020?"

one of my favourites is "POLICE SLOW"
or "SLOW CHILDREN" with a picture of a child-stick figure *running*... heehee..Not these, although they are OTRT because of seeming contradictory.
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Was the instruction to: do something? Refrain from doing something? Watch out for something? Ignore something? Could adding punctuation help making the meaning clearer/unambiguous?
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Was "road construction" sort of on the right track because:
The sign related to construction?
The sign had something to do with a road?
The sign referred to a deadline or timeline of some sort?
The sign described a task being done?
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was any part of the govenment mentioned? Defence? Police? Capitol?

was it one of those historic monument signs?
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Was the instruction to: do something? Refrain from doing something? Both, but more 'refrain from' for most. Watch out for something? Ignore something? No to both Could adding punctuation help making the meaning clearer/unambiguous? Punctuation not relevant.
Was "road construction" sort of on the right track because:
The sign related to construction? No
The sign had something to do with a road? Yope, but only tangentally.
The sign referred to a deadline or timeline of some sort? No
The sign described a task being done? No
was any part of the govenment mentioned? Yes Defence?yope Police? Capitol? no to these

was it one of those historic monument signs? No
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was the military or any part of the military mentioned?

did the sign say that only certain people or vehicles were allowed to pass this point? authorised vehicles? authorised personnel?
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was the military or any part of the military mentioned? Yes, but could be misleading.

did the sign say that only certain people or vehicles were allowed to pass no, but explorethis point? authorised vehicles? authorised personnel? yes to both. You are OTRT. Keep exploring!
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I was thinking "military personnel only. unauthorised personnel report to.."
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I was thinking "military personnel only.This is OTRT, but the connection with the military is not direct. unauthorised personnel report to.. irr
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NASA involved? Aerospace? Does it say anything about what unauthorized personnel or vehicles are supposed to do?
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"top secret missile site"? I would have loved that!
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NASA involved? Aerospace? No to both Does it say anything about what unauthorized personnel or vehicles are supposed to do?Says what authorized vehicles are supposed to do.
"top secret missile site"? I would have loved that! Nothing secret involved, sorry!
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Does it seem like authorized vehicles are supposed to do something contradictory? Are they instructed to: go somewhere? Do something? Are unauthorized vehicles left to wonder what to do?
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Does it seem like authorized vehicles are supposed to do something contradictory?Yes! Are they instructed to: go somewhere? Do something?this Are unauthorized vehicles left to wonder what to do? Unauthorized vehicles - or their drivers - would know that they were not allowed to do something. The drivers of authorized vehicles might be confused, if they took the sign literally. You are OTRT.
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Are the authorized vehicles supposed to: stop? Wait for something? Do something only a person can do? But a vehicle can't? "Authorized vehicles must speak to the guard on duty" or something like that?
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Are the authorized vehicles supposed to: stop? Wait for something?No to both Do something only a person can do? But a vehicle can't? "Authorized vehicles must speak to the guard on duty" or something like that? Ha! Good idea, but no. The message is addressed to drivers, allowing them to do something with their cars that unauthorized drivers can't.
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ooh - what about "Authorised vehicles drive through the barrier"? which would be daft if taken literally.
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ooh - what about "Authorised vehicles drive through the barrier"? which would be daft if taken literally. That's not it, but you're getting warmer. It allows authorized drivers to do something with their vehicles which could be taken two ways, and either way struck me as pretty daft!
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Would doing it the first way mean: damaging the vehicle? Getting it stuck? Getting lost? Damaging something else? Injury to anyone? Waste of time? Waste of gas?
Same questions for the second way.
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Would doing it the first way mean: damaging the vehicle? Getting it stuck? Getting lost? Damaging something else? Injury to anyone? Waste of time? Waste of gas? Doing it what I am calling the first way would be simply impossible, so no to all.
Same questions for the second way. No to all, in that the car/driver would not be affected, except in a positive way. However, others would be inconvenienced.

HINT: Where would one be likely to be, to see such a sign?
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would you be outside a military base?
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would you be outsideyes a military base?No. It was outside a clinic. I suppose it could be outside another type of facility, but that is where I saw it.
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at a gate? a door? the entrance to a driveway? a security barrier? a little kiosk with a guard inside?
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at a gate? a door? the entrance to a driveway? This is closest - a parking lot. The sign restricted parking for most people, but allowed it for some. a security barrier? a little kiosk with a guard inside?
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does the sign give them instructions about parking? which way to go? not obstructing something?
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does the sign give them instructions about parking? yes which way to go? not obstructing something? no to these.
Basically, it said "Space resesrved for so-and-sos."
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does so-and-so describe a type of person? a type of vehicle?

medical staff? disabled? veterans? officers?

disabled vehicles? that's a bit of an oxymoron
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does so-and-so describe a type of person?Yes! a type of vehicle?

medical staff? Yes; explore. disabled? veterans? officers?

disabled vehicles? that's a bit of an oxymoron
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"Space reserved for (X staff)"? Implying that the cars were the staff members?
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"Space reserved for (X staff)"? Yes Implying that the cars were the staff members?No.
The sign read "This space reserved for ______ employees." It was the word in the blank that I found confusing.
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theatre employees? nursing employees?
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theatre employees? nursing employees?N.R. Could be in any department.
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government employees? soli kitteh'z employees? employees who haz cheezburgur? ;)
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NASA? that would be brilliant!
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government employees?As employees of the hospital, they are government employees - it's a VA hospital. However, not all employees of the hospital may use these parking spaces, and they are not in any particular department. soli kitteh'z employees? employees who haz cheezburgur? ;)
NASA? that would be brilliant!No, irr.
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Correction: It was a clinic, not a hospital, but same answers apply.
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grumble. I still like the idea of the NASA employees getting all the spaces
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Clarification and Hint: The word in the blank refers, not to a type of employee (nurses, etc) but to a condition of employees. It is not connected with a physical or mental disability.
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retired? married? part-time?
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retired? married? part-time? No to all. More a temporary condition.
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sick?
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sick? no - you wouldn't want health care providers to come to work sick, would you? =)
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Late? some other time-related condition?
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 1:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

pregnant? part-time? shift-workers? on duty? night duty?
Solitiare (Solitiare)
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Post Number: 250
Registered: 7-2011
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 4:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

pregnant? part-time? shift-workers? on duty? night duty? see below
Late?YES some other time-related condition?
Galfisk has it!

***********SPOILER*****************
The sign read: "This space reserved for late employees of the VA clinic." Now if late = deceased, why do they need a parking space?

And if late = tardy, why are they being REWARDED with a parking space? Seems to me that would just encourage people to come in late.


Thanks to all who stuck with it!
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
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Post Number: 4338
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I iz had hard time with thiz wun...wuz confuseded kitteh! but Galfisk got it! iz awesum puzzel solvin Galfisk, and awesum puzzel soli kitteh! can haz cheezburgur =)
Shez (Shez)
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Post Number: 1845
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 12:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

tee hee

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