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Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2011 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Vebel calls Pykc, and asks him to call Gah to have him (Gah) call Belny and ask him to call Vebel. What's going on?
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Are all calls over the telephone?
Is Vebel trying to determine something about one of the specific people? If so, which?
Is the last "him" in the puzzle statement Belny?
Are all people H/A/M?
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Are all calls over the telephone? Yes
Is Vebel trying to determine something about one of the specific people? No
Is the last "him" in the puzzle statement Belny? Yes
Are all people H/A/M? Yes
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 5:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Vebel checking the functioning of the telephones? Is this a game?
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Is Vebel checking the functioning of the telephones? No
Is this a game? No
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 8:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does Vebel ask Pykc to pass on any onformation to Gah? or to do anything before he calls Gah?
Abc (Abc)
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does Vebel ask Pykc to pass on any onformation to Gah? Nothing other than what is mentioned in the puzzle statement
or to do anything before he calls Gah? No
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 11:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Vebel want someone to call him? Does it really matter who? But doesn't want it known that he asked someone to call him?
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Does Vebel want someone to call him? Yes
Does it really matter who? Yes
But doesn't want it known that he asked someone to call him? Incorrect
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Is Vebel planning to answer Belny's call? Is he planning to pretend that the call contains certain information? Or that the caller is saying something relevant?
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Did Vebel want that Belny calls him? Did Vebel want to talk to Belny? Did anything prevent Vebel from calling Belny directly? Did Vebel know Belny's phone number? Did he expect Belny would not pick up the call if he sees that it is Vebel?
Did Vebel just want to save money by being called rather than calling himself?
Are the involved telephones cellular phones? public payphones? "ordinary" landline phones? (at home? at work?)
Is Vebel in prison? in danger? abroad?
Are Vebel, Pykc, Gah and Belny in different countries? different roaming costs relevant?
Is there any relevant relationship to be discovered between these four people? Are they relatives by blood? friends? neighbours? co-workers?
Would it have worked the same way if Vebel called Pykc to call Belny? if Vebel called Gah to call Belny? if Vebel called Belny directly and asked to call back?
Are Pykc and/or Gah telephone operators?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 12:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If Vebel have called Belny and asked him (Belny) to call him (Vebel) back, would Belny have done this?

Does Vebel mentions all the people involved by their names?
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Relevant how they are calling? Could the puzzle work using can-and-string phones? Landlines? Walkie-talkies? Relevant how far they are apart? If so, would the puzzle work if they were: within earshot? In adjacent rooms? On different continents? Does Vebel measure the time it takes for him to get called back in any way? Does he expect to be called back? Does he want to? Do everyone involved know each other? Are any of their professions relevant? If so, do they all have the same profession? Did Vebel get called in the end? Relevant?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 1:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Vebel planning to answer Belny's call? Yes
Is he planning to pretend that the call contains certain information? No
Or that the caller is saying something relevant I think no
Did Vebel want that Belny calls him? Yes
Did Vebel want to talk to Belny? Yes
Did anything prevent Vebel from calling Belny directly? Correct answer: No. Least misleading answer: Yes
Did Vebel know Belny's phone number? Yes
Did he expect Belny would not pick up the call if he sees that it is Vebel? No, possible FA
Did Vebel just want to save money by being called rather than calling himself? No
Are the involved telephones cellular phones? Yes
public payphones? No
"ordinary" landline phones? No
Is Vebel in prison? in danger? abroad? No. No. No.
Are Vebel, Pykc, Gah and Belny in different countries? No
different roaming costs relevant? No
Is there any relevant relationship to be discovered between these four people? One peripherally
Are they relatives by blood? No
friends? Yope
neighbours? co-workers? No. No.
Would it have worked the same way if Vebel called Pykc to call Belny? No
if Vebel called Gah to call Belny? No
if Vebel called Belny directly and asked to call back? No, possible FA
Are Pykc and/or Gah telephone operators? Yes, but not in any other sense than you and I are telephone operators when we operate our telephones.
If Vebel have called Belny and asked him (Belny) to call him (Vebel) back, would Belny have done this? Yope, FA

Does Vebel mentions all the people involved by their names? Only those necessary

Relevant how they are calling? Taking your next questions into account, yes
Could the puzzle work using can-and-string phones? No
Landlines? Maybe
Walkie-talkies? No
Relevant how far they are apart? See below
If so, would the puzzle work if they were: within earshot? No
In adjacent rooms? No
On different continents? Yes
Does Vebel measure the time it takes for him to get called back in any way? Only by increasing impatience and irritation
Does he expect to be called back? Yes
Does he want to? Yes
Do everyone involved know each other? Yes
Are any of their professions relevant? No Did Vebel get called in the end? Probably Relevant? No
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Cost relevant? Did he not have enough money to call Belny? Or was there something else preventing him from calling Belny? Or was a person preventing him from doing so? Or a law? Or a technological limitation? Did the same thing prevent him from calling Gah?
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Did any of the four people have relevant disability?
Abc (Abc)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2011 - 4:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cost relevant? No
Did he not have enough money to call Belny? Not this
Or was there something else preventing him from calling Belny? Noish, FA / DOYPW
Or was a person preventing him from doing so? Noish
Or a law? No
Or a technological limitation? Yope or noish
Did the same thing prevent him from calling Gah? No

Did any of the four people have relevant disability? No
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Are any of the four a manager of anyone else of the other four? If yes, what the manager/managee relationships?
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Are any of the four a manager of anyone else of the other four? No
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Are their rather unusual names relevant?
Abc (Abc)
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Are their rather unusual names relevant? No. I just have a knack for unorthodox names
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DOYPW? Depends on your personal...something?

Are any of the four related? Do any of the four dislike another of the four?

Is any other person relevant?
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<i>Depending On Your Point of View</b>

Are any of the four related? Irrelevant
Do any of the four dislike another of the four? Irrelevant

Is any other person relevant? No
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Is a language barrier relevant? Any disabilities relevant? If Vebel called Belny directly, would: Belny's phone ring? Belny answer? Vebel hear Belny? Belny hear Vebel? Would they be able to have the conversation? Would something bad happen? When Belny calls Vebel, do they talk directly to each other? Any features of Vebel's phone relevant? Of Belny's? Pykc's? Gah's? When Belny calls and speaks to Vebel, is Gah's job in the puzzle completed? Is Pykc's?
Is the cost of phone calls relevant? Is wiretapping relevant? Other monitoring by third parties? are any of the involved people criminals? Relevant? Would the puzzle work if they all lived in adjacent towns? Are other people involved?
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Is a language barrier relevant? Yes
Any disabilities relevant? No
If Vebel called Belny directly, would: Belny's phone ring? No
Belny answer? No
Vebel hear Belny? So no Belny hear Vebel? And no
Would they be able to have the conversation? And no
Would something bad happen? No
When Belny calls Vebel, do they talk directly to each other? Yes
Any features of Vebel's phone relevant? No
Of Belny's? Yes
Pykc's? No
Gah's? No
When Belny calls and speaks to Vebel, is Gah's job in the puzzle completed? Yes Is Pykc's? Yes
Is the cost of phone calls relevant? Is wiretapping relevant? Other monitoring by third parties? are any of the involved people criminals? Relevant? No to these
Would the puzzle work if they all lived in adjacent towns? Yes
Are other people involved? No
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When Gah calls Belny, does: Belny's phone ring? Belny answer? Gah and Belny speak to each other?
Does Belny have more than one phone? Does his phone only receive calls from some callers? Or does it block calls from some callers? If his phone doesn't, does his service provider?
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Does Belny's phone only accept calls from particular numbers? is Belny a famous person?
Does Vebel and Belny have the same native language? Vebel and Gah?
Is Gah Belny's bodyguard? and call requests to Belny have to go through him? but Vebel does not speak the local (Gah's) language? so he asks Pykc, a local, to call Gah?
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so Vebel speaks to Pykc in language A, and he then speaks to Gah in language B, and he then speaks to Belny in language C??

when Belny calls Vebel, does he speak in language A? language C?
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When Gah calls Belny, does: Belny's phone ring? No
Belny answer? No
Gah and Belny speak to each other? So no
Does Belny have more than one phone? No
Does his phone only receive calls from some callers? Noish
Or does it block calls from some callers? Noish
If his phone doesn't, does his service provider? No

Does Belny's phone only accept calls from particular numbers? Noish
is Belny a famous person? No, irrelevant
Does Vebel and Belny have the same native language? Yes
Vebel and Gah? No
Is Gah Belny's bodyguard? No
and call requests to Belny have to go through him? No
but Vebel does not speak the local (Gah's) language? Correct
so he asks Pykc, a local, to call Gah? Yes

The main hurdles have been overcome. I'll wait a bit, and spoil if no-one wants to work out the grisly details
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Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 9:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so Vebel speaks to Pykc in language A, and he then speaks to Gah in language B, and he then speaks to Belny in language C? The answer to the question as a whole becomes "no"

when Belny calls Vebel, does he speak in language A? Yes language C? FA
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Does Belny's phone receive calls at all? Does Gah send Belny a text message? Special signs of different languages relevant?
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Does Belny's phone receive calls at all? Yes
Does Gah send Belny a text message? No
Special signs of different languages relevant? No
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Does Gah work for Belny? Will people wanting to reach Belny have to speak to Gah? Who won't understand foreign people, and hang up?
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Does Gah work for Belny? No, irrelevant
Will people wanting to reach Belny have to speak to Gah? Noish
Who won't understand foreign people, and hang up? Not this

All relevant facts have been discovered, all that remains is to put them together.
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Vebel speaks only language A.
Pykc speaks language A and B.
Gah speaks language B.
Belny speaks language A. does he speak language B?
Vebel wants to contact Gah, and asks Pykc to translate.
He contacts Gah in order to get Belny to call. If he had called Belny directly, Belny's phone wouldn't ring and Belny wouldn't answer.
Is this because there's something wrong with his phone? Or because it's turned off? Or has no coverage? Would the phone ring if anyone else called it? Does Belny call back from his own phone?
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Vebel speaks only language A.
Pykc speaks language A and B.
Gah speaks language B.
Belny speaks language A. does he speak language B? Yes
Vebel wants to contact Gah, and asks Pykc to translate.
He contacts Gah in order to get Belny to call. If he had called Belny directly, Belny's phone wouldn't ring and Belny wouldn't answer.
Is this because there's something wrong with his phone? No
Or because it's turned off? No
Or has no coverage? Not this
Would the phone ring if anyone else called it? No
Does Belny call back from his own phone? Yes

You have precisely pinned down every single fact necessary. If you were Belny, what would be the most likely reason why your phone would ring for some people (perhaps only one), but not for others?
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Caller ID?
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Was it a special telephone (like the ones for people who have hearing disabilities)?
Is speed dial relevant?
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Caller ID? Let's say that is close enough
Was it a special telephone (like the ones for people who have hearing disabilities)? No
Is speed dial relevant? No

********************** SPOILER ********************

Vebel urgently wants to talk to Belny, but Belny always has his mobile phone set to “quiet”, and prefers to look at it now and then, and call back to any unanswered callers. This could take hours at worst, and Vebel doesn’t have time for that. The one exception to Belny’s “quiet” policy is Gah, Belny’s best friend. Gah’s entry in Belny’s mobile phone list has a “ring” property set, which overrides the “quiet” policy. Gah, however, speaks only French, while Vebel speaks only Norwegian. So Vebel calls Pykc, who speaks both languages, and has him notify Gah, so that Gah can tell Belny (who speaks both languages as well) to call Vebel.


The puzzle was inspired by my wife’s habit of always having her phone set to quiet. It does not have a feature to let different “ring” policies be set for different callers, but it does have a feature to let different ring tones be set for different callers. So I recorded a ring “tone” consisting of 10 seconds of silence, and copied it to her phone. Now, the phone rings for all callers, but everyone except I get the silent tone.

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