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Repetition begets repetition, and in the process, bugs me.
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Does the repetition bug you? As in annoy you? Or give you actual bugs?
repetition 1=repetition 2? Or are they repetitions of different things?
Begets=causes? Creates?
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Repetition begets repetition... as in an infinite loop? A perpetual motion machine?
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repeating mistakes? bad behaviour?

repeating an action? something spoken? an echo?

is a person repeating something? and then another person repeating that?

history repeating itself?
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Does the repetition bug you? Yes As in annoy you? Yes Or give you actual bugs? No
repetition 1=repetition 2? Or are they repetitions of different things? They are the same repetition of two different things.
Begets=causes? This Creates?

Repetition begets repetition... as in an infinite loop? Not really A perpetual motion machine? No

repeating mistakes? bad behaviour? Neither

repeating an action? something spoken? This, but it can be written as well an echo?

is a person repeating something? Yes and then another person repeating that? Yopish

history repeating itself? No
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is it like Chinese whispers? or gossip?
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is it like Chinese whispers? or gossip? Neither
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is it to do with passing on instructions? teaching? parents telling their kids something?
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is it to do with passing on instructions? teaching? parents telling their kids something? No to all.

HINT: The title is relevant.
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Is Socrates at all relevant? (Sorry, first thing that springs to mind...kaylee is confuseded kitteh *sigh* =( )
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Is Socrates at all relevant? No
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is it people passing on information about a particular philosophy? philosopher?

is it just wrong?
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is it people passing on information about a particular philosophy? Noish philosopher? No

is it just wrong? What do you mean by this?
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does it annoy you because the piece of information is wrong?

is it because it's banal?
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do people repeat it because it's true? an amazing insight? the only possible way to describe something?

do they repeat it because they can't think of anything better to say? beacuse it's what people always say in those circumstances?

important to work out in what circumstances people say this? a breakup? a bereavement?

or is it advice?
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does it annoy you because the piece of information is wrong? Yesish, and...

is it because it's banal? Noish...

do people repeat it because it's true? an amazing insight? the only possible way to describe something? None of these are why

do they repeat it because they can't think of anything better to say? Maybe beacuse it's what people always say in those circumstances? Maybe, but less likely. Focus more on what it is than why it was said

important to work out in what circumstances people say this? YES a breakup? a bereavement? Neither

or is it advice? No
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BLOOPER:
is it because it's banal? Yesish, and...
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Stoopid Frentch interwebz eated mai kweshunz!

Relevant what kind of people repeat it? If so, friends of yours? family? fellow students? professors? "the media"? celebrities? politicians?

Is it a quote? a proverb?
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Relevant what kind of people repeat it? Yesish If so, friends of yours? family? fellow students? professors? "the media"? celebrities? politicians? None of these are the ones I'm looking for. Focus more on the circumstances.

Is it a quote? Noish a proverb? No
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Balin, I'm slightly discouraged by your last set of answers, but I'm going for a couple of guesses anyway:

1) Are you thinking about film reviews, because they're inescapable, sometimes hilariously wrong, or

2) articles in science magazines such as Nature, Discover, Scientific - any science popularizing journal ...

3) articles about life-saving medical wonders

4) any writing about science - wait, you wrote re "Is it a quote" - you answered "noish"

Okay, Fiona here, I don't really know all of the clues and so on that you use here.

I want to return to the beginning.

Balin, I'm looking for something that "bugs you" - something that makes you impatient?

I'm fascinated and determined to find the answer.

Relevant what kind of people repeat it?
You said, "Yesish."

Balin, I have at times been a writer of popular science; I've written about science fiction; I know a lot of scientists and authors. Will my knowledge of these folks help me to figure out the answer?

I need sleep desperately so I'm going to send hugs to you, and hope for good dreams and sleep.

Fiona
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is it something people say to cheer people up?

is it advice? congratulations? consolation?

something people say to motivate others?
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Balin, I'm slightly discouraged by your last set of answers, but I'm going for a couple of guesses anyway:

1) Are you thinking about film reviews, because they're inescapable, sometimes hilariously wrong, or No

2) articles in science magazines such as Nature, Discover, Scientific - any science popularizing journal ... Noish

3) articles about life-saving medical wonders No

4) any writing about science It could be found in certain ones - wait, you wrote re "Is it a quote" - you answered "noish" Correct

Okay, Fiona here, I don't really know all of the clues and so on that you use here.

I want to return to the beginning.

Balin, I'm looking for something that "bugs you" - something that makes you impatient? Yes

I'm fascinated and determined to find the answer.

Relevant what kind of people repeat it?
You said, "Yesish." That's right

Balin, I have at times been a writer of popular science; I've written about science fiction; I know a lot of scientists and authors. Will my knowledge of these folks help me to figure out the answer? Maybe - assume Noish

I need sleep desperately so I'm going to send hugs to you, and hope for good dreams and sleep. Thanks -- I hope you slept well!

Fiona

is it something people say to cheer people up? is it advice? congratulations? consolation? something people say to motivate others? No to all
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urban myths? pseudo-scientific "facts"?
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urban myths? No pseudo-scientific "facts"? No, but this is starting to approach a relevant area.

THE THREE THINGS THAT WILL HELP YOU THE MOST IN THIS PUZZLE:

-The context of the statement
-The type of statement
-The title of this puzzle
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Is a philosopher relevant? Do people constantly say something about a philosopher that is false? Misquote him? Misunderstand his ideas?
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Is a philosopher relevant? Yope, but a certain something philosophy-related is very relevant Do people constantly say something about a philosopher that is false? Misquote him? Misunderstand his ideas? No to these, with an -ish to the last one
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Is something named after a philosopher relevant (such as Cartesian coordinates, named after Rene Descartes)? a philosophical text? a particular style of argument (I guess that's more logic than philosophy, but oh well)?
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Is something named after a philosopher relevant (such as Cartesian coordinates, named after Rene Descartes)? No a philosophical text? Noish a particular style of argument (I guess that's more logic than philosophy, but oh well)? Well, one particular argument. You can solve this without knowing exactly what the argument is.
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one thing that bugs me is people saying "Money is the root of all evil" when in fact it's the love of money. but many people haven't heard the original and so they repeat the misquote. is it something along these lines?
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one thing that bugs me is people saying "Money is the root of all evil" when in fact it's the love of money. but many people haven't heard the original and so they repeat the misquote. is it something along these lines? No, but that bugs me too.
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Is a saying relevant? Does saying this thing often provoke the same response? Are you the one doing repetition #2? Are you tired of explaining to people why repetition #1 is incorrect? Evolution vs creationism relevant? Some other manufactured controversy? Religion relevant at all?
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Is a saying relevant? Yope Does saying this thing often provoke the same response? Yes Are you the one doing repetition #2? Sometimes Are you tired of explaining to people why repetition #1 is incorrect? Yesish, because...
Evolution vs creationism relevant? Yes, but the puzzle would work if it weren't Some other manufactured controversy? Religion relevant at all? Somewhat; see previous answer

HINT: What, in philosophy, almost always precedes a response?
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A question? Do people repeat the same (philosophical?) question over and over again? Is it one of Kant's four questions?

So, there's a question that is asked repeatedly and an answer to it that is given repeatedly?

You said the context of the statement is relevant - do you mean the location? the mood the person is in?
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A question? No Do people repeat the same (philosophical?) Yes question No over and over again? Yes Is it one of Kant's four questions? No

So, there's a question that is asked repeatedly and an answer to it that is given repeatedly? Yes, but not a question asked.

You said the context of the statement is relevant - do you mean the location? No the mood the person is in? No
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a proposition? a theory? a hypothesis? an argument?
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a proposition? a theory? a hypothesis? an argument? This one!
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Is the evolution of the eye relevant? Some other outdated creationist argument?
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Is the evolution of the eye relevant? No Some other outdated creationist argument? No, though it is a creationist argument. The puzzle would still work if it weren't, though.

HINT to try and get this to the end: Remember the puzzle statement -- "Repetition begets repetition, and bugs me." You should have all (or nearly all) of the pieces.
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Actual bugs relevant? Evolution? An experiment?
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Actual bugs relevant? Evolution? An experiment? No to all. Only philosophical arguments are relevant.
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Any specific philosopher relevant? Does the argument contain a fallacy? If so, does the second repetition include explaining the fallacy? Naming it? Pointing it out?
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Any specific philosopher relevant? No Does the argument contain a fallacy? No If so, does the second repetition include explaining the fallacy? Naming it? Pointing it out? It's much simpler than that. Think debates.
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RECAP-cum-HINTS because we're almost at the end:

Repetition begets repetition, and bugs me.

A philosophical argument is involved, but the argument itself is neither of the repetitions. Think debates, and you should be able to figure this out easily.}
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Is it something like one says "X is white" to which the other says "No, X is black" which further elicits the first to say "No, X is white" and so on ad nauseam? At least OTRT?
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Is it something like one says "X is white" to which the other says "No, X is black" which further elicits the first to say "No, X is white" and so on ad nauseam? Yesish At least OTRT? Enough for me to post the

**********SPOILER**********

Repetition begets repetition
When debating a science condition.
When "kalam" has been played,
An objection is laid;
The response is the same. Quite efficien'.


This is a complaint I have about some philosophical debates. One popular argument for the existence of God is the kalam cosmological argument (everything that begins to exist has a cause, the universe began to exist, therefore the universe has a cause). And almost every single time, the same objection to the argument is given ("Then who made God?" which is repetition 1), leading to the same counter-rebuttal ("God exists outside of time" which is repetition 2). I get bugged because hearing the same counterargument over and over, especially a rebuttal which has been answered already,

OK, enough of this puzzle. Nice work Galfisk, Rbruma, etc, and check out my new puzzle below.
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Nice puzzle Balin. These arguments and their rebuttals (one and the other repeated over and over) bug me too. Chicken and egg problem, so to speak.

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