| Author | Message | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3581 Registered: 1-2007 |
Good morning puzzle people. I really hate it when people HAGTRAS although I'm sure not all of them do it intentionally. Please define the verb to Hagtras | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1777 Registered: 2-2011 |
can anybody do this? male? female? adult? child? is it considered bad manners to do it in public? does it make a noise when they do it? can you see it? feel it? smell it? or reason that it has been done? do they do it indoors? outdoors? alone? in pairs? in groups? daytime? nighttime? is it involuntary? would they stop themselves doing it if they knew they were about to? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14686 Registered: 4-2010 |
Can all people hagtras? Is it something that a lot of people do? Is it a habit? Do people hagtras in a certain place? At a certain time? Is this forum relevant to the definition? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3582 Registered: 1-2007 |
can anybody do this? male? female? adult? child? Yes to all is it considered bad manners to do it in public? No does it make a noise when they do it? Yes but could mislead can you see it? No feel it? No smell it? no or reason that it has been done? Yes if i understand you correctly do they do it indoors? outdoors? alone? in pairs? in groups? daytime? nighttime? It tends to be done by an individual but can be done inside, outside, day or night. is it involuntary? Somewhat would they stop themselves doing it if they knew they were about to? Probably not | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3583 Registered: 1-2007 |
Can all people hagtras? Yes Is it something that a lot of people do? In my experience it happens quite a lot Is it a habit? No Do people hagtras in a certain place? At a certain time? No to both Is this forum relevant to the definition? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1927 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does it take seconds? minutes? hours? longer? Does it involve food or drink? movement? speaking? Do you need an object to do it? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3584 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does it take seconds? this minutes? hours? longer? Does it involve food or drink? movement? speaking? This one Good q Do you need an object to do it? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14689 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a pause in speaking relevant? Putting your foot in your mouth? Saying something incredibly stupid? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3586 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is a pause in speaking relevant? Putting your foot in your mouth? Saying something incredibly stupid? None of these I'm afraid | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4332 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can one hagtraz in any language? Can you hear someone hagtraz if you don't know the language? Can you see someone hagtraz if you can't hear what they're saying? Would asking someone to stop hagtrazzing make them do so? If not, would they be able to if they tried? Do you hagtraz? If so, does it annoy you when you do it? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3587 Registered: 1-2007 |
Can one hagtraz in any language? Yes and congrats for being the first person to spell my new word incorrectly Hee Hee Can you hear someone hagtraz if you don't know the language? No Can you see someone hagtraz if you can't hear what they're saying? No Would asking someone to stop hagtrazzing make them do so? Hard to answer the chances to hagtras don't come up too often and would rarely come up twice in the one conversation If not, would they be able to if they tried? Again hard to answer. I think in fairness most hagtrasing is accidental and there's no guaranteed way of avoiding it Do you hagtraz? I have done and felt sorry for the "victim" If so, does it annoy you when you do it? I regret it but I guess it's secretly nice to be on the other side of a hagtrasing | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1779 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it saying something to someone and offending them? drawing attention to their faults? contradicting someone? interrupting them? speaking over them? capping their stories? supplying their punchlines? misleading someone? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 223 Registered: 7-2011 |
Peter, please check your e-mail. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3588 Registered: 1-2007 |
is it saying something to someone and offending them? No it doesn't offend but it irks somewhat drawing attention to their faults? No contradicting someone? No interrupting them? No speaking over them? no capping their stories? Can you explain what this means supplying their punchlines? No not as annoying as that misleading someone? No A little hint : As you may have guessed this is a fairly silly little puzzle which I'm running because I was hagtrased twice over the weekend. Hagtras is an Acronym and the s does stand for story . I'm unsure what capping a story means. Does that mean outdoing it? if so No but not a million miles away either Peter, please check your e-mail. Solitaire wrote: 3 ideas: Saying "You're welcome" in response to "Thank you" as Americans do. Saying "Thank you" in response to "Thank you" as some Brits do. Saying "Have a nice day" or "....good day." or something similar. Any of these? No to all i'm afraid | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1932 Registered: 12-2010 |
Since it's not language specific, it's not breaking one of the three golden rules, is it? 1. Prepositions are something you don't end a sentence with. 2. Don't use no double negations. 3. Remember to never split infinitives (; Is hagtrassing something that is said as a response to something else? Is hagtrasing related to what is said? To how it is said? Raising your voice at the end of a statement relevant? Not raising your voice of a question relevant. (See what I did there?) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5133 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is it finishing sentences for people? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14694 Registered: 4-2010 |
Telling stories while giving characters an accent? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4339 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does a person hagtras: their own ztory? Someone else's? Can one hagtras any story? Does it ruin the story? The mood? Like making fun of a sad story? Or serious comments in a joke? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1791 Registered: 2-2011 |
yes that's what I meant by capping a story is it do do with stealing someone else's story? embellishing it? chaning it? getting it wrong? telling a story and leaving out the most important bit? repeating your own story back to you? as if it were their own? telling you a story they've already told you before? or that you already know? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3589 Registered: 1-2007 |
Since it's not language specific, it's not breaking one of the three golden rules, is it? 1. Prepositions are something you don't end a sentence with. 2. Don't use no double negations. 3. Remember to never split infinitives (; Nice but no Is hagtrassing something that is said as a response to something else? Yes Is hagtrasing related to what is said? Yes To how it is said? No Raising your voice at the end of a statement relevant? No Not raising your voice of a question relevant. (See what I did there?)Lol No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3590 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is it finishing sentences for people? no but I absolutely hate that yes that's what I meant by capping a story I knew someone who always capped stories. He was the sort of guy whom if you told him you'd been on holiday to Tenerife, he would claim to have been to Elevenerife is it do do with stealing someone else's story? No embellishing it? no quite the opposite chaning it? Do you mean changing it then no getting it wrong? No telling a story and leaving out the most important bit? No repeating your own story back to you? as if it were their own? telling you a story they've already told you before? or that you already know? None of these | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3591 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does a person hagtras: their own ztory? Hee hee has someone swapped the Z key and S key on your keyboard ;0). No that's a key clarification Someone else's? Yes Can one hagtras any story? No Does it ruin the story? Yes The mood? Possibly Like making fun of a sad story? Or serious comments in a joke? Neither of these Good progrezz there Galfisk. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3592 Registered: 1-2007 |
Telling stories while giving characters an accent? No Update to Hint. Galfisk has identified a further piece of the Acronym HAGT Ruins A Story A being the word in itself | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14707 Registered: 4-2010 |
Only think I can think of is "having a good time ruins a story..." any of this OK? Do people typically hagtras intentionally? Unintentionally? By "story," do you mean a typical pub story? A good novel? Can you hagtras a true story? A fictional one? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3593 Registered: 1-2007 |
Only think I can think of is "having a good time ruins a story..." any of this OK? No Do people typically hagtras intentionally? I think there are certain people who do Unintentionally? Most people do it by accident By "story," do you mean a typical pub story? Lets say an anecdote A good novel? No Can you hagtras a true story? Most definitely A fictional one? It works better with a true story but you could Hagtras a fictional story | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14712 Registered: 4-2010 |
People who hagtras: People involved in the story? Who were there? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1796 Registered: 2-2011 |
are these people trying to finish the story for you? guessing the end? trying to make it shorter? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3594 Registered: 1-2007 |
People who hagtras: People involved in the story? Who were there? No to these. Good question are these people trying to finish the story for you? No guessing the end? Guessing is key but in a slightly different sense than you mean here trying to make it shorter? Not this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14715 Registered: 4-2010 |
Have hagtrasers been in a similar experience? Have they heard similar stories before? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1856 Registered: 6-2008 |
I knew someone who always capped stories. He was the sort of guy whom if you told him you'd been on holiday to Tenerife, he would claim to have been to Elevenerife I like these kind of puns! Anyway, does one guess what will happen next in the story? Guess the moral of the story (if it has one)? Does it ruin the story by killing suspense? by making a joke out of it, when it was supposed to be serious? the other way around? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3595 Registered: 1-2007 |
Have hagtrasers been in a similar experience? Have they heard similar stories before? Possibly but not necessary for Hagtrassing I knew someone who always capped stories. He was the sort of guy whom if you told him you'd been on holiday to Tenerife, he would claim to have been to Elevenerife I like these kind of puns! I've always liked that one Anyway, does one guess what will happen next in the story? Not exactly but they do have to guess something Guess the moral of the story (if it has one)? Not this Does it ruin the story by killing suspense? No but it seriously reduces the impact of the story by making a joke out of it, when it was supposed to be serious? the other way around? Neither of these Think of a type of story where you might invite the listener to guess something | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14727 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does hagtrasing spoyl the ending? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5135 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is it when lateral puzzlers get the answer in one go? (and don't email their guess?) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3596 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does hagtrasing spoyl the ending? No they just potentially reduce a story's impact Is it when lateral puzzlers get the answer in one go? (and don't email their guess?) Afraid not, remember the forum is not relevant to this puzzle | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5136 Registered: 12-2000 |
Somebody says the answer to a pub quiz question and everybody else can overhear? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3597 Registered: 1-2007 |
Somebody says the answer to a pub quiz question and everybody else can overhear? No it's a normal conversation between two or more people. By the way haven't iPhones ruined the traditional pub quiz? For some reason people think that because they have the technology to hand, it's ok to cheat. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14731 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the story have a twist ending? Surprising? Shocking? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3599 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does the story have a twist ending? No Surprising? Yes but Hagtrassing ruins that surprise Shocking? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1815 Registered: 2-2011 |
It can't be as simple as "having a guess that ruins a story"? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3601 Registered: 1-2007 |
It can't be as simple as "having a guess that ruins a story"? Oh yes it can. I actually penned it as "Hazarding a guess that ruins a story". However Hagtrassing only applies to a particular guess scenario so you have still to uncover what that is. Work still to be done | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14735 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the person guess the surprise ending? Guess some element of it? Is the guess made in jest? Does the storyteller say "You'll never guess what happened" and someone does exactly that? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1816 Registered: 2-2011 |
grr - hazarding was my other guess! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3602 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does the person guess the surprise ending? No but I should explain. Hagtrassing occurs when one is telling a particular type of story where the listener is invited to guess something. A hagtras is an incorrect guess that ruins the impact of the story. All you have to do is establish what type of story we're talking about. It's not an exact genre but I'm sure we've all told stories that leave ourselves open to a hagtrassing Guess some element of it? see above Is the guess made in jest? Not usually but in a deliberate hagtras it might be Does the storyteller say "You'll never guess what happened" and someone does exactly that? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3603 Registered: 1-2007 |
grr - hazarding was my other guess! Hee Hee fear not good Shez, having a guess works just as well. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14741 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the guess draw attention away from the story? And onto the guess? Is the guess even more shocking/surprising than the actual ending? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5137 Registered: 12-2000 |
Anything to do with what you dreamt about? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3605 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does the guess draw attention away from the story? No And onto the guess? No Is the guess even more shocking/surprising than the actual ending? Surprising yes | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3606 Registered: 1-2007 |
Anything to do with what you dreamt about? Believe me Lynne you don't want to get into my dreams. Weird isn't the word. That's a no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14743 Registered: 4-2010 |
Has a similar story happened to another person present? Does the guess make the ending seem anticlimactic/boring? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5138 Registered: 12-2000 |
Anything to do with fetes and guessing the weight of the cow, number of crumbs in a cake, number of cakes in the cow who has just knocked over the tea stall? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3607 Registered: 1-2007 |
Anything to do with fetes and guessing the weight of the cow, number of crumbs in a cake, number of cakes in the cow who has just knocked over the tea stall? How delightfully British . I'm afraid it's no old bean. Major Hint Think money | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5139 Registered: 12-2000 |
Guessing how much you spent on something? Or how much you saved, and they tell you that the thing is cheaper elsewhere? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3608 Registered: 1-2007 |
Guessing how much you spent on something? Yes Or how much you saved, and they tell you that the thing is cheaper elsewhere? Not quite Next post should solve | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3609 Registered: 1-2007 |
Sorry Balin nearly missed these Has a similar story happened to another person present? Not necessarily Does the guess make the ending seem anticlimactic/boring? Yes Lynne has almost solved this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14751 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they guess a ludicrous amount? Do they guess the exact amount? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1362 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the person telling the story proud of having got a good deal on something, but the hagtrasser guesses an even lower amount which makes the teller look like they didn't get such a good deal after all? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4334 Registered: 9-2010 |
o hai enjay kitteh, were yuo haz been? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4335 Registered: 9-2010 |
a folktale? a story told in song? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3610 Registered: 1-2007 |
Do they guess a ludicrous amount? Yes that's about it Do they guess the exact amount? No Is the person telling the story proud of having got a good deal on something, but the hagtrasser guesses an even lower amount which makes the teller look like they didn't get such a good deal after all? Absolutely perfect. Well done. o hai enjay kitteh, were yuo haz been? a folktale? a story told in song? Fraid not.... ****************Spoiler***************** Lynne and Balin are pretty much there but Enjay pops up with the perfect definition. I was telling a friend about my trip to the Grand National in Liverpool early this year. The story went like this.. "We got the coach to the ferry, the ferry to Holyhead, the coach to Liverpool, 3 nights bed & breakfast and 3 evening meals in the hotel, 3 day passes into the racecourse and the coach to and from the hotel each day plus the coach and ferry back home. Guess how much?" (actual cost an unbelievable €400). My friend "Oh i dunno ...about €300" Don't you just hate it when you're boasting about some great deal you got and when you ask the listener how much they think it was they guess lower than you actually paid. If like me the answer is yes then you hate it when you someone Hazards A Guess That Ruins A Story which is pretty much the definition of the verb to Hagtras. Not life and death stuff I'll admit but annoying nonetheless. Thanks for playing | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14756 Registered: 4-2010 |
Sadly in these situations I'm usually the guesser. Sorry. But yes, I can see how that would be annoying. And I haven't been around hagtrasing that often. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5141 Registered: 12-2000 |
Now dare I ask if that was for both of you?? Cos that's incredible! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3611 Registered: 1-2007 |
€400 per person Lynne. My goodness did you just hagtras me? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5142 Registered: 12-2000 |
Oh dear, I really really didn't mean to. It was just the use of the word 'we'. Oops, sorry! :-) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 5144 Registered: 12-2000 |
Actually (says she who whittles and overthinks these things) perhaps there was the imp in me when I asked the question. Sorry! Don't put your money on a horse called Lynne. She'll trip and stumble at the first fence. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3612 Registered: 1-2007 |
Lynne won't win hmmm. |
