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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first thing to look after was the last to be considered.

Please explain
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 1:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a specific person or group of people who should have looked after the first thing?

was it the same person or group of people who considered it last?

is this a real life situation? a work situation?
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was it a specific person or group of people who should have looked after the first thing? Yes - a group of people

was it the same person or group of people who considered it last? Unknown, but maybe the same group

is this a real life situation? YES a work situation? I don't understand, please clarify
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2011 - 5:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did this happen at a place of work? an office? factory?shop? restaurant?

was the first group of people a group of work colleagues? a group of students? lawmakers? scientists? government?
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 12:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did this happen at a place of work? Yes, no to the rest an office? factory?shop? restaurant?

was the first FA group of people a group of work colleagues? a group of students? lawmakers? scientists? government? People taking decisions. Their connection is irr for the puzzle
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 8:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first thing - a physical object?
Some task to be performed?
Some condition pertaining to the state of a person? Object?
Was someone getting his priorities wrong?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 9:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first thing - a physical object? No
Some task to be performed? Yes
Some condition pertaining to the state of a person? No Object? It eventually proved to be this
Was someone getting his priorities wrong? Yes, in my opinion anyway
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 11:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Work - transportation related?
A place where physical work rather than paperwork was being done?
Was it a government-run type of workplace?
Privately run?
Hospital?
Agricultural?
Political?
Did someone suffer because of the, um, blunder, if that is an appropriate description?
Would the person(s) making the prioritising agree with you that it should have been different?
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 11:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Work - transportation related? No
A place where physical work rather than paperwork was being done? Yes
Was it a government-run type of workplace? In this case yes
Privately run? Could be this too. Irrelevant anyway
Hospital? No
Agricultural? No
Political? No
Did someone suffer because of the, um, blunder, if that is an appropriate description? Yes
Would the person(s) making the prioritising agree with you that it should have been different? I don't know
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a building site? a military establishment? a ship? a wartime situation?
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it a building site? This one, no to the rest a military establishment? a ship? a wartime situation?
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the thing to look after - privacy? secrecy? integrity? honour? truth? loyalty? power? dignity?
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 1:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oops - safety? health?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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the thing to look after - privacy? secrecy? integrity? honour? truth? loyalty? power? dignity?
safety? health? None, really
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Was the suffering an economic loss?
Did the blunder have to do with logistics?
Would it be any help to find out more about the building site?
Such as what was being constructed?
Was the blunder mainly one of succession?
Or one of time?

(To clarify: If you tend to someone needing a band-aid on a small wound before someone who needs CPR, it is a blunder of time - the putting on of the band-aid does not in itself hamper the administration of CPR afterwards, it just wastes valuable time. Closing the garage gate before driving the car into the garage is a blunder of succession; the closing hinders the driving-in)
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 8:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the suffering an economic loss? Eventually, this also
Did the blunder have to do with logistics? Yes
Would it be any help to find out more about the building site? Not the site in particular...
Such as what was being constructed? ... but this is relevant, yes
Was the blunder mainly one of succession?
Or one of time? Hard to say in the given situation, but based on your examples I would say one of succession
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 6:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, was a building being constructed?
Some means of transportation?
A ship?
If ship, was it a spaceship?
To do with items that should be on hand, but weren't?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 1:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, was a building being constructed? Yes to this, no to the rest
Some means of transportation?
A ship?
If ship, was it a spaceship?
To do with items that should be on hand, but weren't?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the kind of building relevant?
Was the work progress hampered in any way?
Was W(ork) O(peration) A carried out before B, while it would have made more sense to do it in the opposite succession?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any of the following relevant:
hiring workers?
providing supplies?
drawing projects?

Did it happen during:
localizing the investment?
projecting?
building?
decorating?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the kind of building relevant? Very much so, Yes
Was the work progress hampered in any way? No
Was W(ork) O(peration) A carried out before B, while it would have made more sense to do it in the opposite succession? Noish/Yope

Is any of the following relevant: None
hiring workers?
providing supplies?
drawing projects?

Did it happen during:
localizing the investment? No
projecting? This
building? And eventually this
decorating? No
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 8:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it anything to do with getting the local community on side before they started? like maybe the type of building was something that they wouldn't want in the neighbourhood? a crematorium? municipal dump? a mosque?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the building a kind of house?
Bridge?
Road or road related?
Railroad or railroad related?
If house, does it have a particular shape?
Disproportionately tall compared to a "usual" house?
Wide?
Long?
Is it made for living in?
Working in?
Storing things in?
Teaching/learning in?
Is it some kind of landmark building?
Tourist attraction?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it anything to do with getting the local community on side before they started? like maybe the type of building was something that they wouldn't want in the neighbourhood? a crematorium? municipal dump? a mosque? No to all

Was the building a kind of house? No
Bridge? No
Road or road related? No
Railroad or railroad related? No
If house, does it have a particular shape? N/A
Disproportionately tall compared to a "usual" house? N/A
Wide? N/A
Long? N/A
Is it made for living in? NO! Good question
Working in? Yes, might be misleading
Storing things in? No
Teaching/learning in? No
Is it some kind of landmark building? YES! Another good question
Tourist attraction? Not really
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the building's function primarily symbolic?
Is it a memorial of sorts?
A museum?
Will it help to find out more about its size and dimensions?
Does it have windows?
Door openings?
Doors?
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a lighthouse?

some sort of tower? a courthouse?
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Is the building's function primarily symbolic? No, not at all
Is it a memorial of sorts? No
A museum? No
Will it help to find out more about its size and dimensions? Yes!
Does it have windows? Yope, possibly
Door openings? Yope
Doors? Yope
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the building still exist?
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 5:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a lighthouse?

some sort of tower? a courthouse? No to all

Does the building still exist? Yes

Small BLOOPER ALERT:

Does it have windows? Possibly
Door openings? Yes
Doors? Yes
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 6:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a large building?
Is it shaped roughly as a rectangular prism (4 walls at 90-degree angles, flat roof)?
As a rectangular prism except with a non-flat roof?
Does it have a height of more than 3 metres? 5? 10? 25? 100?
Same for width and length.
Is it underwater?
Other place that I will likely consider to be "special"?
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Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a pyramid?

is it a hole in the ground?

is it an open structure with no walls at all?
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a large building? Yes
Is it shaped roughly as a rectangular prism (4 walls at 90-degree angles, flat roof)? No
As a rectangular prism except with a non-flat roof? No
Does it have a height of more than 3 metres? 5? 10? 25? Either this... 100? ...or this, unsure
Same for width and length. More than 100 for both
Is it underwater? No
Other place that I will likely consider to be "special"? No, you can find it in many cities

is it a pyramid? No
is it a hole in the ground? No
is it an open structure YES with no walls at all? Yope

Hint: Finding out its purpose would help
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 8:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a multi-storey car park?

is it a museum? some kind of tourist attraction?

is it a bus station? railway station? airport?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 8:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

shopping mall?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 8:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it a multi-storey car park?
is it a museum? some kind of tourist attraction?
is it a bus station? railway station? airport?
shopping mall?

No to all
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 10:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a stadium?
Other place aimed at accomodating lots of people?
Is its purpose one of entertainment?
Is it a military sort of building?
Open-air theatre?
Drive-in cinema?
Drive-in something else? (Drive-in petrol station? :P)
I has no roof, right?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a stadium? YES
Other place aimed at accomodating lots of people?
Is its purpose one of entertainment?
Is it a military sort of building?
Open-air theatre?
Drive-in cinema?
Drive-in something else? (Drive-in petrol station? :P)
I has no roof, right?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it wrongly designed? Wrongly constructed? Relevant that it will attract a lot of people? And vehicles? Did it have too few toilets? Or no parking space? Ventilation relevant? Heating? Weather? Other environmental conditions?
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did it not have proper disabled access?

no access to public transport facilities?

just not convenient for people who might want to go there?

not big enough? not suitable for certain sports? certain activities?
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Was it wrongly designed? Yope Wrongly constructed Yes, beware FA? Relevant that it will attract a lot of people? In a lateral sense, yes And vehicles? No Did it have too few toilets? No Or no parking space? No Ventilation relevant? No Heating? No Weather? No Other environmental conditions? It was claimed that some environmental conditions were to blame, yes
No to the rest
did it not have proper disabled access?
no access to public transport facilities?
just not convenient for people who might want to go there?
not big enough? not suitable for certain sports? certain activities?
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Environmental conditions: wind? Rain? Heat? Cold? Flooding? Thunderstorms? Ice? Ground conditions? Was it damaged? Ruined? More expensive than anticipated? Was the problem remedied? If not, would it be possible to remedy it?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 5:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Environmental conditions: wind? Rain? Heat? Cold? Flooding? Thunderstorms? Ice? Ground conditions? This
Was it damaged? Yes, and specifically ... Ruined? This
More expensive than anticipated? Eventually it proved so
Was the problem remedied? They claim so, remains to be seen
If not, would it be possible to remedy it? I hope so

******* SPOILER *******

A couple of weeks ago, the new National Arena in Bucharest, that is supposed to host the final of Europa League next year, was inaugurated with an official match between Romania and France.

Everything was announced well in advance and everything seemed to work perfectly. The stadium was new and shining, the security was tight, there were some celebrations before, personalities invited, etc, etc. Given the traditional rivalry between the two teams, everybody was expecting a great performance.

But... Starting around the 30th minute, the ground started to disintegrate. At some point the players needed to arrange it by hand, like a carpet. Four injured players was the result (two for each side), together with angry people and a renewal of the grass, now in progress, that costs four times more than the first one. The first one was the second day removed and thrown as garbage.

How can you prepare in such detail the construction of a 55k+ people stadium and forget to check the first and most important thing, the ground, beats me.

Thanks to all who participated and to Galfisk for the final solve.
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Wow. That's just...dumb.

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