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Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 8:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, I thought it was black.
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it black?
Did it have a definite color?
Does "black" stand for color?
Is it a tangible object?
Is time and location relevant?
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 1:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

what colour is it really? (LTPF list of colours)

true story? FYOI? FSEI?

I = you?

is it an object? bigger than a finger? a hand? a football? a microwave? a fridge? a car? a house?
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Does it have "black" in the name even though it's not black? like, say, "Black Rhino" which is most definitely grey, lol?
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 6:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it the black box in an airplane?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are we taking about a single object?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Was it black? Yes.
Did it have a definite color? Yes.
Does "black" stand for color? Yes.
Is it a tangible object? Yesish.
Is time and location relevant? Time: yes, location: no.

what colour is it really? (LTPF list of colours) Black.

true story? This. FYOI? FSEI?

I = you? Yes.

is it an object? Yesish. bigger than a finger? a hand? a football? a microwave? a fridge? a car? a house? It doesn't have a definite size.

Does it have "black" in the name even though it's not black? like, say, "Black Rhino" which is most definitely grey, lol? Not like this.

Is it the black box in an airplane? No.

are we taking about a single object? No.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did you just think this particular example was black? or did you think they were all black? are they all black?

is it an animal?

is it something which changes size throughout its lifecycle? or do they just come in many sizes?

is it a man-made object?

is it found in the home? do you have one?
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The night sky? Something else that is black because it is dark (like a room without lights)?
Object found in nature?
Outer space? a black hole?
Is it likely that the average person has seen more than once?
Is it something one can touch?
Does it make noise?
Can it be consumed?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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did you just think this particular example was black? or did you think they were all black? Yesish. are they all black? Yes.

is it an animal? No.

is it something which changes size throughout its lifecycle? or do they just come in many sizes? Neither is an accurate description.

is it a man-made object? Yes.

is it found in the home? Can be. do you have one? No.

The night sky? Something else that is black because it is dark (like a room without lights)? No to both.
Object found in nature? No.
Outer space? a black hole? No to both.
Is it likely that the average person has seen more than once? Yes.
Is it something one can touch? Yesish.
Does it make noise? No.
Can it be consumed? Yes.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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did you just think this particular example was black? or did you think they were all black? Yesish. are they all black? Yes.

is it an animal? No.

is it something which changes size throughout its lifecycle? or do they just come in many sizes? Neither is an accurate description.

is it a man-made object? Yes.

is it found in the home? Can be. do you have one? No.

The night sky? Something else that is black because it is dark (like a room without lights)? No to both.
Object found in nature? No.
Outer space? a black hole? No to both.
Is it likely that the average person has seen more than once? Yes.
Is it something one can touch? Yes.
Does it make noise? No.
Can it be consumed? Yes.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 8:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the person you were speaking to think they were another colour?

black pudding?
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sea urchins?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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did the person you were speaking to think they were another colour? FA.

black pudding? No.

sea urchins? No.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 2:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it an actual food?

is it squid ink?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the item completely black? Partially black (black and another color)?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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is it an actual food? No.

is it squid ink? No. Remember, it's manmade and not found in nature.

Is the item completely black? Yes. Partially black (black and another color)? No.
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Can it be consumed? You answered "Yes"

So:

By consumed you meant: consumed by humans? as food? Drink? By animals? as food? Drink? Consumed by fire? Consumed by some other chemical process? Is it solid? Liquid?
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By consumed you meant: consumed by humans? Yope, no to the rest. as food? Drink? By animals? as food? Drink? Consumed by fire? Consumed by some other chemical process? Is it solid? No. Liquid? Yes.
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Is it ink? Is it toxic? If so, if swallowed? If touched? Is it used in personal hygiene? In performing chemical experiments? In medicine?
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it ink?Yes. Is it toxic? If so, if swallowed? If touched? Irr to all. Is it used in personal hygiene? In performing chemical experiments? In medicine? No to all.
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Posted on Friday, September 16, 2011 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You thought it was black in a specific moment? While looking at a paper on which something was written with ink? Or at a recipient containing ink? If so, was the ink on the paper black? Was the one in the recipient? Relevant the color of the recipient (if any)? The color of the paper?
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You thought it was black in a specific moment? No. While looking at a paper on which something was written with ink? Sometimes. Or at a recipient containing ink? Sometimes. If so, was the ink on the paper black? The relevant ink is black. Was the one in the recipient? Yes. Relevant the color of the recipient (if any)? No.The color of the paper? Irr.
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you thought the ink was black, and it was - did someone else think it was another colour?

is the ink on something handwritten? a cheque? a letter? a completed form?

something printed? a form? a banknote? a stamp?
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you thought the ink was black To be accurate, I thought something said that the ink was black., and it was Yes. - did someone else think it was another colour?No.

is the ink on something handwritten? a cheque? a letter? a completed form? Nothing handwritten.

something printed? Sometimes. a form? Can be. a banknote? I don't think so. a stamp? Some stamps.
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are we looking for a particular type of ink?

invisible ink? a brand name?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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are we looking for a particular type of ink? Yes.

invisible ink? a brand name? No to both.
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is this ink one you can go and buy in a shop?

is it an industrial ink?

is it handmade? is it ink you can make yourself?

is it very old? like something you may find in a museum?
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is this ink one you can go and buy in a shop? Yes.
is it an industrial ink? It can be.
is it handmade? is it ink you can make yourself? No to both.
is it very old? like something you may find in a museum? No to both.
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Tattoos relevant?

Fountain pens?

Stamp pads?

Silkscreening? Other printmaking? (Have you seen my etchings? :-)

If the puzzle scenario can be thought of as a little story, could it be like this:

- You read something, indicating to you that a thing (some ink?) is black
- Something else happens (you see something, someone speaks) momentarily leading you to believe your initial belief is wrong (or that the label is wrong), i.e., the thing is NOT black
- Then something happens (you see something, someone speaks, a new thing is revealed) reconfirming the first impression -- the thing IS black.
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Was the word "black" actually printed? Any other color?
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Tattoos relevant? No.

Fountain pens? No.

Stamp pads? No.

Silkscreening? Possibly. Other printmaking? Possibly. (Have you seen my etchings? :-) No.

If the puzzle scenario can be thought of as a little story, could it be like this:

- You read something, indicating to you that a thing (some ink?) is black Yope.
- Something else happens (you see something, someone speaks) momentarily leading you to believe your initial belief is wrong (or that the label is wrong), i.e., the thing is NOT black No.
- Then something happens (you see something, someone speaks, a new thing is revealed) reconfirming the first impression -- the thing IS black. No.

Was the word "black" actually printed? No. Any other color? Yesish. Hint: other colors are relevant.
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ROYGBIV? (in case someone's never heard that acronym: red? orange? yellow? green? blue? indigo? violet/purple?)
red-orange? orange-yellow? yellow-green? green-blue? blue-violet? violet-red?
brown? grey? pink? tan? should I be invading my old Crayola box to find more?

cheezburgur colorz? no, I've got no idea, it just needed saying, you know how I am Galfisk; it's Balin's fault! =) perhaps how much pink is inside a cheeseburger =)
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Cartridge for your printer?
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ROYGBIV? No, but OTRT. (in case someone's never heard that acronym: red? orange? yellow? This is one of the relevant colors. green? blue? indigo? violet/purple?)
red-orange? orange-yellow? yellow-green? green-blue? blue-violet? violet-red?
brown? grey? pink? tan? None of the above. should I be invading my old Crayola box to find more? I don't know.

Cartridge for your printer? Assume yes.
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Since we're talking about printer ink, is cyan relevant? magenta?
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is the black ink made by mixing other colours?
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Since we're talking about printer ink, is cyan relevant? magenta? Yes indeed.

is the black ink made by mixing other colours? No.
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When you said, "Oh, I thought it was black," were you:
at a friend's home?
at home, talking to yourself?
in a store?
in a place of business?
in a school?

Is it relevant where you were?
Is it relevant what time of day you said it?
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Wait: did I miss tone of voice?

Were you being snide when you said it?
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When you said, "Oh, I thought it was black," were you:
at a friend's home?
at home, talking to yourself?
in a store?
in a place of business?
in a school?

Is it relevant where you were? Not really. I was at work, but it could have been any of the above.
Is it relevant what time of day you said it? No.

Wait: did I miss tone of voice? No.

Were you being snide when you said it? No.
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Were you correcting someone who might make a mistake?
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Were you correcting someone who might make a mistake? No.
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Is the CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, blacK) color system relevant? Did the K actually not originally stand for "black", but people came to think so?
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Is the CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, blacK) color system relevant? Did the K actually not originally stand for "black", but people came to think so?
***SPOILER***
From Wikipedia:
The "K" in CMYK stands for key since in four-color printing cyan, magenta, and yellow printing plates are carefully keyed or aligned with the key of the black key plate. Some sources suggest that the "K" in CMYK comes from the last letter in "black" and was chosen because B already means blue. However, this explanation, though plausible and useful as a mnemonic, is incorrect.

Thanks for playing!
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Posted on Wednesday, October 05, 2011 - 8:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, that was... hard, but also fascinating! I loved learning this. And I also get, now, why your introductory statement sounded flat or snide to me.

Give us another, Galfisk!
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Count me as one who has now had my scrund corrected. I always assumed it was for the K in "black."
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*thirded. I had that scrund too.
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Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2011 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I never had that scrund, only because the first time I remember hearing the acronym was when my graphic designer friend got it as part of her license plate, and she explained it to me right then...

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