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I recently learned that, like doubtless many others, I had a scrund about the United States Navy. One part of this scrund may well apply to other navies, but a second, more specialized aspect of the scrund only applies to life aboard American aircraft carriers. What is it?
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Is the Naval Academy relevant? Is actual service?
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is it that they employ real seals?
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is it to do with life at sea?

sleeping arrangements? washing arrangements? toilet arrangements?

food? recreational activities? uniform/clothing?
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Is the Naval Academy relevant? No. Is actual service? Yesish - look out for FAs.

is it that they employ real seals? Heh. No.

is it to do with life at sea? Yes.

sleeping arrangements? washing arrangements? toilet arrangements?

food? This applies to the second part of the scrund. recreational activities? uniform/clothing?
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Military food relevant? K-rations? Any other type of rations?
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is it to do with the food which is served every day? on special occasions?

to the officers? other ranks?

how it is served? what is served?
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Military food relevant? Only in the sense that it is eaten by the military. K-rations? No. Any other type of rations? No.

is it to do with the food which is served every day? Not exactly served, but yes. on special occasions? No.

to the officers? other ranks? Both.

how it is served? If you can call it that. what is served? Yes.
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Military cafeteria slop (as it is often thought of in jokes) relevant? Is military food actually slop? Actually bad?
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Military cafeteria slop (as it is often thought of in jokes) relevant? Is military food actually slop? Actually bad? None of these.
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is this food actually eaten in the mess? (I'm sure you don't call it that - the canteen or whatever)

vending machines? takeaway? buffet?
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is this food actually eaten in the mess? (I'm sure you don't call it that - the canteen or whatever) No.

vending machines? This. takeaway? buffet?
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Is it relevant when they choose to go to vending machines?

... why they choose?

Do they need instant protein?

Are they saving vending machine food for later?
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is it about what products are made available in the vending machines?

is this drink? candy? other food?

is it about whether they supply Coke rather than Pepsi?

is it about providing healthy snacks?
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Is it relevant when they choose to go to vending machines? No.

... why they choose? No.

Do they need instant protein? Irr.

Are they saving vending machine food for later? Irr.

is it about what products are made available in the vending machines?

is this drink? candy? other food?

is it about whether they supply Coke rather than Pepsi?

is it about providing healthy snacks? No to all.
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Is the cost of the vending machine stuff relevant? Is there any food in the vending machine?
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when is a food not a food?
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Is the cost of the vending machine stuff relevant? No. Is there any food in the vending machine? Yes.

when is a food not a food? Irr.
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Is there a joke about using vending machines rather than finding food elsewhere?

Or, like, is there some camaraderie that's relevant to the above question?

(Jen, this is a really good puzzle!)
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Is there a joke about using vending machines rather than finding food elsewhere?

Or, like, is there some camaraderie that's relevant to the above question? No to both.
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Is it relevant who supplies the vending machines?

Is this an issue that makes soldiers or staff happy? Unhappy?

Balin asked about costs; are costs in ANY way relevant?

I don't know much about aircraft carriers, but I know they go far out into the ocean. (Pause for laughter from everyone else.) Is it relevant that they are far from shore?

What I mean is - is logistics important to your puzzle?
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(I wrote "soldiers." I should have said "sailors" or "naval employees" - sorry.)
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you said food applies to the second part of the scrund, but later when I asked "other food" you said no - are the vending machines relevant to the first part? to the second?
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Is it relevant who supplies the vending machines? Yes.

Is this an issue that makes soldiers or staff happy? Unhappy? Irr.

Balin asked about costs; are costs in ANY way relevant? No.

I don't know much about aircraft carriers, but I know they go far out into the ocean. (Pause for laughter from everyone else.) Is it relevant that they are far from shore? No.

What I mean is - is logistics important to your puzzle? Yes.

you said food applies to the second part of the scrund, but later when I asked "other food" you said no - are the vending machines relevant to the first part? to the second? This.
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Does the US Navy supply and fill the vending machines?
Does a local company supply and fill them?
Are the machines supplied and filled by a variety of companies?

Does your scrund involve:
advertising?
choice of food?
choice of drink?

Is it relevant that the choices in the vending machines vary, when the ship travels here and there?

Or is it that the food is always the same, no matter where they travel?

I want to clarify what seemed vague, above:

Is it only food in the machines?
Are there drinks?

You said logistics is important, so:
Are there choices of foods?
Are there choices of drinks?

Is it relevant when they are able to re-supply these machines? Is this part of the story?

Can one buy a choice only by using U.S. currency? Is that relevant?
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Does the US Navy supply and fill the vending machines? No.
Does a local company supply and fill them? What do you mean by "local?"
Are the machines supplied and filled by a variety of companies? No.

Does your scrund involve:
advertising?
choice of food?
choice of drink? None of these.

Is it relevant that the choices in the vending machines vary, when the ship travels here and there? No.

Or is it that the food is always the same, no matter where they travel? No.

I want to clarify what seemed vague, above:

Is it only food in the machines? No.
Are there drinks? I assume so.

You said logistics is important, so:
Are there choices of foods?
Are there choices of drinks? Yes to both.

Is it relevant when they are able to re-supply these machines? Yes. Is this part of the story? Yes.

Can one buy a choice only by using U.S. currency? I assume so. Is that relevant? No.
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do the aircraft carriers travel with a supply hip in convoy ready to re-stock the vending machines?
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do the aircraft carriers travel with a supply hip in convoy ready to re-stock the vending machines? No.
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or even a supply ship?
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or even a supply ship? No.
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Do the machines get restocked only in American ports? or could they get restocked in foreign ports as well? Can they get restocked while not in port (i.e., at sea)?

Are the companies restocking the supply in foreign ports American companies? based on American military bases? local non-American companies? Are all products the same kinds we could get in any vending machine in America? or are there foreign items depending on where they're docked?

Is life at sea relevant to both parts of the scrund? Is the aircraft carrier thing? or could the first part of the scrund relate to other ships? Navy on land?

First part of scrund -- are any of these relevant:
schedules? uniforms? PT? civilians? contractors? Marines? fleets? ports? Navy bases? staying in contact with family? social networking?
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Do the machines get restocked only in American ports? or could they get restocked in foreign ports as well? Can they get restocked while not in port (i.e., at sea)? This.

Are the companies restocking the supply in foreign ports American companies? based on American military bases? local non-American companies? American companies. Are all products the same kinds we could get in any vending machine in America? Assume yes. or are there foreign items depending on where they're docked?

Is life at sea relevant to both parts of the scrund? Yes. Is the aircraft carrier thing? No. or could the first part of the scrund relate to other ships? Yes. Navy on land? No.

First part of scrund -- are any of these relevant:
schedules? uniforms? PT? civilians? This. contractors? This. Marines? fleets? ports? Navy bases? staying in contact with family? social networking? None of the others.
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Yay, I'm relevant! :-)

Is the first part of the scrund about whether civilians and contractors are on board the ships? live on board ship? Is it about what they do on the ship? About their interactions with the military on board?
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Is the first part of the scrund about whether civilians and contractors are on board the ships? live on board ship? This. Is it about what they do on the ship? About their interactions with the military on board?
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Is it specifically about whether they live on board? or where they live on board? or what their quarters are like?

Did you think they live on board but they don't? Did you think they didn't but they do? Is this about whether they live in the same areas as military? whether they have quarters similar to those of military?

Back to the second part, is it relevant to the scrund what method of transportation is used when bringing food/drinks to restock? military transport? or business-owned transport? jets? helicopter? fighter plane :-) ?
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Is it specifically about whether they live on board? This. or where they live on board? or what their quarters are like?

Did you think they live on board but they don't? Did you think they didn't but they do? This. You've solved part of the puzzle. Is this about whether they live in the same areas as military? whether they have quarters similar to those of military? No to both.

Back to the second part, is it relevant to the scrund what method of transportation is used when bringing food/drinks to restock? No. military transport? or business-owned transport? jets? helicopter? fighter plane :-) ?
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Just to make sure I understood correctly: the first part of the scrund was that civilians/contractors that work in logistics such as resupplying vending machines don't live on board ships (carriers or others), while in fact they do, correct?

For the second part: could that scrund apply to non-American aircraft carriers? Is it also related to civilians living on board of them? Does it concern the relations between them and the military personnel? Their involvement in military operations?
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Just to make sure I understood correctly: the first part of the scrund was that civilians/contractors that work in logistics such as resupplying vending machines don't live on board ships (carriers or others), while in fact they do, correct? Actually, that's both parts of the scrund.

**** Spoiler ****

I recently learned that civilian support is actually fairly common aboard US Navy ships. Representatives of the companies that build the armament, engines and aircraft are all present aboard some ships. This made sense when I thought about it, and makes the first part of the scrund.

The second, however, is that less obviously necessary civilians are also present. Aboard the largest ships, they include civilians whose only job is to -- service the vending machines. Which I hadn't even imagined...
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that's truly amazing!

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