| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1776 Registered: 9-2009 |
I wonder if she is still alive! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15649 Registered: 4-2010 |
"she" = H? A? F? Real person? Fictional? Was she ever alive? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1781 Registered: 9-2009 |
"she" = H? A? F? Yes to all Real person? Yes Fictional? So, no Was she ever alive? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15652 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she alive in [LTPF list of centuries]? In [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4812 Registered: 9-2010 |
kitteh takes a shot out of left field...Vampirism or blood rituals relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1785 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she alive in [LTPF list of centuries]? 18th In [LTPF list of continents]? Europe kitteh takes a shot out of left field...Vampirism or blood rituals relevant? No to both, but good idea | ||
| Tardigradeparty (Tardigradeparty)
New member Username: Tardigradeparty Post Number: 78 Registered: 9-2011 |
Immortality rituals relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1786 Registered: 9-2009 |
Immortality rituals relevant? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2297 Registered: 2-2011 |
did she disappear? was she famous? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1788 Registered: 9-2009 |
did she disappear? No was she famous? DOYD of famous. I read about her in a book, but I doubt that she is famous but for the events that led to this puzzle | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2307 Registered: 2-2011 |
was she frozen? did she die? was she the victim of a catastrophe? was she immortalised? in song? a book? painting? story? poem? nursery rhyme? was she a saint? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2308 Registered: 2-2011 |
PS is she someone who survived a series of accidents or events? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1794 Registered: 9-2009 |
was she frozen? No, but sort of OTRT did she die? Yes, no to the rest was she the victim of a catastrophe? was she immortalised? in song? a book? painting? story? poem? nursery rhyme? was she a saint? is she someone who survived a series of accidents or events? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2316 Registered: 2-2011 |
was she frozen in a glacier? an avalanche? a lake? a laboratory? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1797 Registered: 9-2009 |
was she frozen in a glacier? an avalanche? a lake? a laboratory? No to all. She was "preserved", but not through freezing. Discovering why she was preserved, for how long and what is the meaning of the puzzle statement will solve the puzzle | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 490 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was she mummified? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1799 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she mummified? She was embalmed, but this is not so relevant | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 423 Registered: 7-2011 |
Um, this is a long shot, because I don't know about any embalming, but does it have to do with Lady Bathory? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4875 Registered: 9-2010 |
I hope not, Fiona kitteh, or else Rbruma misinterpreted my question about blood above =P *snuggles Fiona kitteh and givz cheezburgur* Glad to haz yuo back! | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 495 Registered: 8-2011 |
How long she was preserved: -more than 20 years? -more than 50 years? -more than 100 years? -more than 200 years? -more than 500 years? -more than 1000 years? -more than 10,000 years? Reason she was embalmed relates to- -science? -religion? -medicine? -politics? -other cultural reasons? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1801 Registered: 9-2009 |
Um, this is a long shot, because I don't know about any embalming, but does it have to do with Lady Bathory? No How long she was preserved: -more than 20 years? -more than 50 years? -more than 100 years? This one -more than 200 years? No -more than 500 years? -more than 1000 years? -more than 10,000 years? Reason she was embalmed relates to- -science? -religion? -medicine? -politics? -other cultural reasons? This one, for svv of "cultural" | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15752 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is she preserved so well that she looks like she's alive? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1802 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is she preserved so well that she looks like she's alive? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15758 Registered: 4-2010 |
I think I've heard of her, but can't remember her name...should I stay out of this one? | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 476 Registered: 7-2011 |
Well, she can't be Eva Peron, but was she 'preserved' by her widower, for whatever reason? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1803 Registered: 9-2009 |
I think I've heard of her, but can't remember her name...should I stay out of this one? Drop me an email, just to check if this is the same story Well, she can't be Eva Peron, but was she 'preserved' by her widower, for whatever reason? No, not by her widower | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15768 Registered: 4-2010 |
The thing is, I remember reading something about this -- if it is in fact her -- about 7 years ago, and can't remember any details other than the preservation. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1805 Registered: 9-2009 |
The thing is, I remember reading something about this -- if it is in fact her -- about 7 years ago, and can't remember any details other than the preservation. In that case, you shouldn't stay out. We already established that for a yet-to-be-established reason she was preserved | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15775 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK. Was she royalty? Well-known? Well-admired? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2330 Registered: 2-2011 |
did she have an unusual medical condition and they wanted to preserve her body for science? was she made into a waxwork? was she a saint? was she preserved by her own family? friends? the state? the church? the scientific community? the entertainment industry? was she what was once known as a freak? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1806 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she royalty? Well-known? Well-admired? was she made into a waxwork? was she a saint? was she preserved by her own family? friends? Yope the state? the church? the scientific community? Yope, might mislead the entertainment industry? was she what was once known as a freak? Please rephrase this one, it might be OTRT All unanswered are a no | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 524 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was there anything unusual about her appearance? Did she have any special abilities? Did her society believe that she was unusual in some way? immortal? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1807 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was there anything unusual about her appearance? Did she have any special abilities? Did her society believe that she was unusual in some way? immortal? No to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15796 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she preserved by her own request? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1808 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she preserved by her own request? YES! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15809 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she request preservation in her will? Publicly? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15810 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK, now I think I remember the story. Sending email. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1809 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she request preservation in her will? Publicly? No to both Replied | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15818 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK then... Did she request preservation while she was dying? Is her cause of death relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4996 Registered: 9-2010 |
If the cause of death is relevant, was it: natural? unnatural? was she dying of a long illness? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2011 |
is she 'on show' somewhere? in amongst other dummies or statue like figures? could I visit the place she is and see her? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1810 Registered: 9-2009 |
OK then... Did she request preservation while she was dying? Unknown and irr Is her cause of death relevant? No If the cause of death is relevant, was it: natural? unnatural? was she dying of a long illness? Cause of death is irrelevant is she 'on show' somewhere? Not anymore, very good question! in amongst other dummies or statue like figures? I don't know exactly could I visit the place she is and see her? Nowadays, no | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 15 Registered: 11-2011 |
So she was 'on show', and I could have previously visited the place she was and looked at 'her'? Is it relevant why she is no longer visible in this way? Is that the explanation of the puzzle statement? i.e. you were pondering if the preserved body still exists intact somewhere now that it is no longer 'on show'? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1811 Registered: 9-2009 |
So she was 'on show', For some period of time, yes and I could have previously visited the place she was and looked at 'her'? Yes Is it relevant why she is no longer visible in this way? Yes Is that the explanation of the puzzle statement? Part of it, there's a bit more to discover i.e. you were pondering if the preserved body still exists intact somewhere now that it is no longer 'on show'? Yope | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was she on view in an open public place? (outdoors?), in a public building? museum? Was part(s) of her rigged to move as if she were alive? Was she 'on show' without the authorities knowing? and it was only when the truth was discovered that she was removed? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5010 Registered: 9-2010 |
"Human zoos" relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1812 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she on view in an open public place? (outdoors?), in a public building? museum? This one - it was the Manchester Museum of Natural History Was part(s) of her rigged to move as if she were alive? Was she 'on show' without the authorities knowing? and it was only when the truth was discovered that she was removed? "Human zoos" relevant? All unanswered are a no Small caveat here: she was eventually preserved at the museum, history however doesn't tell us if she was on public display or just 'stored' somewhere in the museum's basements | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2011 |
Wow, I work in Manchester. Was she from Manchester? NW England? UK? Did she think that there was a possibility she could be brought to life in the future? Are religious views relevant here? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1813 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was she from Manchester? Yes NW England? UK? Did she think that there was a possibility she could be brought to life in the future? No Are religious views relevant here? No | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2011 |
If she didn't think there was a possibility she could be brought to life in the future, did she think there was another benefit from her body being preserved? to other people? to her? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1815 Registered: 9-2009 |
If she didn't think there was a possibility she could be brought to life in the future, did she think there was another benefit from her body being preserved? Yes! to other people? No to her? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15837 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she want her beauty to be remember for ages to come? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1816 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she want her beauty to be remember for ages to come? No HINT: She was afraid of something | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2011 |
aha! was she 'preserved' to make sure she was dead? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1817 Registered: 9-2009 |
aha! was she 'preserved' to make sure she was dead? We have a winner! ******* SPOILER ******* Hannah Beswick (1680 - 1758) of Cheetwood Hall, Manchester, out of fear of being buried alive, left her doctor, Charles White, 25.000 pounds on condition that he visit her regularly after her death. Accordingly, after her death, Dr. White embalmed her and kept her in a coffin in her house, checking on her status each year, on the anniversary of her death, accompanied by a witness. Dr. White himself died in 1813 and Miss Beswick was eventually moved to the Manchester Museum of Natural History. When the museum transferred to new premises, the woman was again examined and the trustees came to the unanimous decision that she was unmistakably dead, so she was buried in the Manchester General Cemetery on July 28th, 1868, 110 years after her death. No stone marked the grave, so the location is lost to us. I wonder though if she is still alive :-) Thanks to all for playing and to Andy for the final solve. | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2011 |
Great puzzle. |
