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Mark betrayed his wife Isabella in a really unusual & horrible way. It did not involve divulging a secret, finances, adultery, physical violence, or anything illegal. What did he do?
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Is Mark's job relevant? Is Isabella's?

Is technology relevant? Social networking?
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Is Mark's job relevant? no Is Isabella's? no

Is technology relevant? no Social networking? no
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Does 'betrayal' mean that he let her down in some way? did not do something that he had promised to do? that she was counting on him to do?
Is Isabella alive at the time of the puzzle? Is Mark?
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Does 'betrayal' mean that he let her down in some way?yes or yesish did not do something that he had promised to do?There was no explicit promise, but see next answer that she was counting on him to do?Yes, but his betrayal was even worse than that.
Is Isabella alive at the time of the puzzle? yes Is Mark? yes
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Did he hurt her in some emotional way? Is neglect of any kind relevant? Did either of them die? Was either physically injured? Is another party relevant?
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did he do the opposite of what she was counting on him to do?
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was the thing she was counting on him to do something that most people would have in her situation? was his betrayal something most people would see as horrible?

BTW, are they both HAM/F, real human beings and part of a true story? or FYOI? FSEI?

is it relevant when this took place?
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Did he hurt her in some emotional way?Are you asking whether he made her unhappy? If so, the answer is yesish Is neglect of any kind relevant? noDid either of them die? no Was either physically injured? noIs another party relevant? yes--GOOOOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!
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did he do the opposite of what she was counting on him to do? yesish, but what he did was EVEN WORSE
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was the thing she was counting on him to do something that most people would have in her situation? yeswas his betrayal something most people would see as horrible?I can't imagine anyone NOT seeing it that way

BTW, are they both HAM/F, yes real human beings and part of a true story? no or FYOI? no FSEI? Does that mean 'from someone else's imagination'? If so, yes. It's from a novel.

is it relevant when this took place? no
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Did she expect him to go somewhere? say something? buy something?

Did he go somewhere? say something? buy something?
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Did she expect him to go somewhere? nosay something? no but you're ORT buy something? no

Did he go somewhere? noishsay something no but you're ORT buy something? no
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Did she expect him to write something? sing something? sign or mime something?
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Did she expect him to write something? yes sing something? no sign or mime something? no
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is he a journalist? critic?

did Isabella expect Mark to write a positive review of something she was involved in?
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is he a journalist irrel critic? ditto

did Isabella expect Mark to write a positive review of something she was involved in? no
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The someone else involved- H/A/M? Family member? Professional relationship? Friend? Romantic involvement?

Is what Isabella expected of Mark commonplace (such as housework)? Somewhat uncommon? Rare? Unique to their situation?
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Is his profession relevant? Is her? The other person's? Did he intend to betray her?
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did he write something else to what she was expecting? write nothing?
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Is his profession relevant? no Is hers? no The other person's? yesish Did he intend to betray her? yes
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did he write something else to what she was expecting? yes write nothing? no
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Did he intend her to read what he wrote? was it a note he left for her deliberately?

Was it written somewhere that she would expect something nice to be written? like a birthday card?

Was a mix up involved or was he deliberate in his action?
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Did he intend her to read what he wrote? yesish was it a note he left for her deliberately? noish

Was it written somewhere that she would expect something nice to be written? yesishlike a birthday card? not that

Was a mix up involved noor was he deliberate in his action? yes
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Did he Write by hand? Or on a computer? Typewriter? Did he send it somewhere? Was it published anywhere? Did the other involved Party see this writing? And would that have bad consequences for her?
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Did he Write by hand? irrel Or on a computer? dittoTypewriter? unlikelyDid he send it somewhere? yope Was it published anywhere? noDid the other involved Party see this writing? no And would that have bad consequences for her? The writing itself would probably have bad consequences for her, although she probably would never see it
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despite being husband and wife, were mark and isabella together at the time of the puzzle? living together?

The third party? is it a family member? a friend? mistress?
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I think you missed these earlier. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

The someone else involved- H/A/M? Family member? Professional relationship? Friend? Romantic involvement?

Is what Isabella expected of Mark commonplace (such as housework)? Somewhat uncommon? Rare? Unique to their situation?
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Was he expected to write something nice: to her? To someone else? To someone else, about her? Did the other person know he had written it? Or did the person think she had written it?
Did she ask him to write it instead of her?
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despite being husband and wife, were mark and isabella together at the time of the puzzle? living together? yes

The third party? is it a family member?there are 2 & I'll answer about each: no,yes a friend? see next answer, no mistress? yope, no
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I think you missed these earlier. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

The someone else involved- H There are 2 people, so I'm answering about each in turn: H/ yes, yesA yes, no/M? no, no Family member? no, yes Professional relationship? no, no Friend? see next answer, no Romantic involvement? yes, no

Is what Isabella expected of Mark commonplace yesish (such as housework)? that's not it Somewhat uncommon? no Rare? no Unique to their situation? no
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Was he expected to write something nice yesish: to her? no To someone else? yesishTo someone else, about her? no Did the other person know he had written it? possibly Or did the person think she had written it? ditto
Did she ask him to write it instead of her? possibly
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So one of the other people is a mistress? And the other is a little girl?

If yes, is the little girl: Mark's child? Isabella's child? a niece? a little sister? a grandchild?
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Pardon me, no adultery, a former lover then?
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did he fail to support her? defend her? tell the truth?
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So one of the other people is a mistress? yesish or yopeAnd the other is a little girl? yes

If yes, is the little girl: Mark's child? yesIsabella's child? yesa niece? noa little sister? noa grandchild? no
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Pardon me, no adultery, a former lover then? yes. GOOOOD QUESTION!!!
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did he fail to support her? yopedefend her? no tell the truth? no
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Did something bad happen to the daughter? Did the daughter meet the former lover at any time? Relevant?
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Is Isabella the mother of the daughter? Is the former lover?
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Did something bad happen to the daughter? that's a matter of opinion Did the daughter meet the former lover at any time? no Relevant? yes
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Is Isabella the mother of the daughter?yes Is the former lover? no
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did Mark lie?
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did Mark lie? probably but not necessarily
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Did the former lover come back into Mark's life after he married Isabelle? Did she intend that Isabelle get hurt? Did Mark use his daughter to hurt his wife somehow? Did he send the daughter away? Physically hurt the daughter?
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Did the former lover come back into Mark's life after he married Isabelle? no or maybe noishDid she intend that Isabelle get hurt? no Did Mark use his daughter to hurt his wife somehow? yope Did he send the daughter away? noPhysically hurt the daughter? no
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The thing that Mark wrote, was it a statement? A consent? Was it supposed to have legal consequences?
Did Mark deny being the father of the daughter?
Did Mark fail to take care of the daughter properly?

Does the former lover of Mark works in a job, which is connected with dealing with children?

Did Mark reveal some information about Isabelle's health? The daughter's health?
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The thing that Mark wrote, was it a statement? yes yesish A consent? Was it supposed to have legal consequences?yes
Did Mark deny being the father of the daughter? no
Did Mark fail to take care of the daughter properly? no or maybe noish

Does the former lover of Mark works in a job, which is connected with dealing with children? no

Did Mark reveal some information about Isabelle's health? no The daughter's health? no
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Was it a will? Did he leave everything to the former lover? Name her as the child's guardian?
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Was it a will? no Did he leave everything to the former lover? no Name her as the child's guardian? no
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HINT: Find out more about the husband's former lover & about precisely what statement Mark wrote.
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Are any of the following relevant about the former lover: her age? profession? How long ago she and Mark were together? Why they broke up? Does she know about Isabella? About the daughter? Relevant? Does Isabella know about the former lover? Does the daughter?

Was he deliberately trying to betray Isabella? Out of spite? For some gain to himself? For some gain to the ex-lover?
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Are any of the following relevant about the former lover: her age? yesish profession? yope How long ago she and Mark were together? noish Why they broke up? yes Does she know about Isabella? no About the daughter? noRelevant? yes Does Isabella know about the former lover? not at the time of the betrayal, but she may find out later Does the daughter? ditto

Was he deliberately trying to betray Isabella? yopeOut of spite? noFor some gain to himself? yes For some gain to the ex-lover? no
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Is the ex-lover under 20? 20-30? 30-40? 40-50? Older? Is she older than Mark? Older than Isabella? Relevant?

Did Mark leave her? Did she leave him? Was infidelity involved?

Does Mark also in any way betray the ex-lover? Would she be pleased about what he did? Unhappy? Indifferent?
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Is the ex-lover under 20? 20-30? 30-40? 40-50? She's not any age, because she's. . . Older? Is she older than Mark? Older than Isabella? Relevant? yes

Did Mark leave her? no Did she leave him? yes Was infidelity involved? no

Does Mark also in any way betray the ex-lover? no Would she be pleased about what he did? probablyUnhappy? probably notIndifferent? probably not
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is the ex-lover dead? if so, how old was she at the time of death?
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is the ex-lover dead? yes if so, how old was she at the time of death? early 20's but that's not really relevant
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The gain to himself- is it financial? or some other benefit? Does it relate to the daughter?
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The gain to himself- is it financial? no or some other benefit? yes Does it relate to the daughter? yes
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Does the daughter benefit from the gain to her father? Is she the gain to her father (such as in a custody battle)?
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Does the daughter benefit from the gain to her father? noIs she the gain to her father (such as in a custody battle)? no
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Is it relevant how the ex-lover died? Had she already left Mark when she died?
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Is it relevant how the ex-lover died? no Had she already left Mark when she died? irrel
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The profession of the ex-lover is yope relevant - should we find out what job she held? How she made money? How wealthy she was? Did she work in any kind of legal context?

Does carrying out this betrayal allow Mark to do something that he would otherwise not be able to do? Does it allow him to avoid some negative repercussion of an action? Is a crime committed at any point in the puzzle? Do Mark and Isabella stay married? Does Mark's plan rely on them staying together? On them separating? Neither?
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Did the former lover make a will? Did Mark inherit after her? Did Mark's daughter inherit after her? And if yes, did Isabella expect Mark to resign from inheritance? Did Mark resign from inheritance?
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did he have his ex-lover buried in the family plot? :o)
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The profession of the ex-lover is yope relevant - should we find out what job she held? No--all that's relevant is that she no longer has any profession (except decomposing)-- because she's dead. She profession while she was alive is irrel.How she made money? irrel How wealthy she was? irrel Did she work in any kind of legal context? irrel

Does carrying out this betrayal allow Mark to do something that he would otherwise not be able to do? doing it IS the betrayalDoes it allow him to avoid some negative repercussion of an action? no Is a crime committed at any point in the puzzle? noDo Mark and Isabella stay married? irrelDoes Mark's plan rely on them staying together? yes On them separating? noNeither? no
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Did the former lover make a will? irrel Did Mark inherit after her? noDid Mark's daughter inherit after her? no And if yes, did Isabella expect Mark to resign from inheritance? Did Mark resign from inheritance? n/a
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did he have his ex-lover buried in the family plot? :o) no, but you're actually kind of ORTish
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did he go to the funeral? take his daughter?
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did he go to the funeral? irreltake his daughter? no
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did he build his ex some kind of memorial?

put something in the newspaper?

did what he did deprive his daughter of something? did it humiliate his wife?
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did he build his ex some kind of memorial? yope

put something in the newspaper? no

did what he did deprive his daughter of something? no did it humiliate his wife? yesish
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Did Mark write a memory about the former lover? Did he publicly state that she was the best (or other superlative) woman he had ever met?
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Did Mark write a memory about the former lover? no Did he publicly state that she was the best (or other superlative) woman he had ever met? no
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HINT & RECAP: The betrayal involves both Mark's daughter & his former lover, who died before Mark ever met his wife & about whom his wife knows nothing.
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did Mark dedicate something to his former lover? a book?

did he name something after her? a boat?
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did Mark dedicate something to his former lover? see below a book? no

did he name something after her? YESYESYES!! GOOOOD QUESTION!!!! a boat? no
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he didn't name his daughter after her?
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he didn't name his daughter after her? He did!! Isn't that horrible? His wife didn't know at the time but was almost bound to find out eventually. And then she'd have to live with this reminder for the rest of her life!! This is from the novel Rich Boy, by Sharon Pomerantz.Please check out my new puzzle.
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You forgot the s-word ~.^

My dad has on occasion told me I was named after an old girlfriend of his. But more often he tells me I was named after Queen Elizabeth and Princess Anne.
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thanks Nimue, unbelievable.

Kaylee, I trust your dad didn't have affairs with them!
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*snort* Most certainly not. He mentioned having a girlfriend named Elizabeth Anne with a glass eye. Strange. Mom says that's ridiculous and not to listen to that, and that having royal namesakes is the real version.
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You forgot the s-word ~.^ What s-word? 'Stupid' -- applying to me because I don't know what you're talking about?
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You forgot the s-word ~.^ What s-word? 'Stupid' -- applying to me because I don't know what you're talking about? Yes, I am stupid. The word is $poiler, of course!! So

**** SPOILER***********
Mark's wife Isabella doesn't know about Mark's former lover, who died before Isabella met Mark. So Isabella doesn't know that Mark has named their daughter ('Gwendolyn') after his former lover. Eventually, Isabella is bound to find out (since Mark's family & old friends know about Gwendolyn), resulting is a wound she'll have to live with for the rest of her life. What a horrid husband!!

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