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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Simon killed his wife Ellie. Dozens of people were present, and many of them saw Ellie die, yet nobody immediately suspected Simon. How?

Simon = H-A-M
Ellie = H-A-F
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Was this in (LTPF list of centuries)? In (LTPF list of continents/countries)?
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Was this in (LTPF list of centuries)? In (LTPF list of continents/countries)? Assume 21st-century America. This is FMOI.
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Did no-one immediately suspect Simon because they immediately suspected someone else? or they assumed it was an accidental/natural death? or a suicide?

Am I right to think people eventually suspected Simon? Is the length of time between Ellie's death and people suspecting Simon relevant/significant to the puzzle? seconds? mins? hrs? days? mths? years? decades?

The puzzle statement suggests that a proportion of the people who were present at the scene did not see Ellie die - although many did? Was this because of their position? line of sight? Were some of them blind?

Was a fall involved?
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Did no-one immediately suspect Simon because they immediately suspected someone else? or they assumed it was an accidental/natural death? This or a suicide?

Am I right to think people eventually suspected Simon? The police eventually figured it out Is the length of time between Ellie's death and people suspecting Simon relevant/significant to the puzzle? seconds? mins? hrs? days? Assume it took the police about a week. Again, not really relevant mths? years? decades?

The puzzle statement suggests that a proportion of the people who were present at the scene did not see Ellie die - although many did? Was this because of their position? Just this; specific reason is irrel line of sight? Were some of them blind?

Was a fall involved? No
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Despite not suspecting Simon, did the onlookers who saw Ellie die know exactly how she died? e.g. there was an obvious trauma such as a gunshot or a stabbing. Or did she just collapse and die?

Is Simon's profession relevant? Ellie's?
Same questions for their age.

Did Simon plan the murder? (was it murder?)

Did they have any children? relevant?

Was a third party involved?
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Despite not suspecting Simon, did the onlookers who saw Ellie die know exactly how she died? No e.g. there was an obvious trauma such as a gunshot or a stabbing. No Or did she just collapse and die? Yes

Is Simon's profession relevant? Ellie's? Neither
Same questions for their age. Same answer

Did Simon plan the murder? Yes (was it murder?) Yes

Did they have any children? relevant? Irrel

Was a third party involved? No
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Did Simon poison Ellie? Switch/alter any medication?

Did Ellie have an existing medical condition that is relevant to the puzzle?

Did Simon perform one act that murdered Ellie? or a series of acts over a period of time?
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Did Simon poison Ellie? DOYD of "poison" Switch/alter any medication? No

Did Ellie have an existing medical condition that is relevant to the puzzle? Yes

Did Simon perform one act that murdered Ellie? Again, Yope or a series of acts over a period of time? No
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Is it related to some food or drink that Ellie consumed? Does she have an allergy or intolerance?
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Is it related to some food or drink that Ellie consumed? Yope! Does she have an allergy or intolerance? Yes, an allergy
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Does she, for example, have a wheat allergy, and he threw some flour at her or had her in a position where she could breathe it (I forget what precisely it's called, but apparently some people are so sensitive to bread products they can't even walk into a bakery for fear of flour dust or something in the air O_O...) Or did she inhale whatever she's allergic to, more simply?
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Does she, for example, have a wheat allergy, and he threw some flour at her or had her in a position where she could breathe it No, but... (I forget what precisely it's called, but apparently some people are so sensitive to bread products they can't even walk into a bakery for fear of flour dust or something in the air O_O...) Or did she inhale whatever she's allergic to, more simply? Yes
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Peanuts? (well, ground up...) Pollen? Pet dander?
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Was it a food allergy?
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Peanuts? Yes (well, ground up... No) Pollen? Pet dander?

Was it a food allergy? Yes, see above
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Did Simon have a motive? and do we have to establish this to solve the puzzle?

Did Simon place peanut fragments somewhere where Ellie would later inhale them? a tissue or hankie? an inhaler?
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Did he warm peanut oil somehow so that particles of it would be in the air?
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Did Simon have a motive? Yes and do we have to establish this to solve the puzzle? No

Did Simon place peanut fragments somewhere where Ellie would later inhale them? Noish a tissue or hankie? No an inhaler? No

Did he warm Yes peanut oil No somehow so that particles of it would be in the air? Yes
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roasted peanuts?
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roasted peanuts? Literally? No. In a lateral, ironic way? Yes.
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*kaylee iz confused kitteh*...very confused, Balin...=( were there any actual peanuts involved? was anything actually roasted? Planter's peanuts? Plantar warts? Veruca? probably another kitteh-tangent. *sigh*
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*kaylee iz confused kitteh*...very confused, Balin...=( were there any actual peanuts involved? Hmm...some parts of peanuts were relevant; no complete peanuts were. was anything actually roasted? "Roasted" would be the wrong word Planter's peanuts? Plantar warts? Veruca? None of these probably another kitteh-tangent. *sigh*
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peanut shells? the papery bits that come off the nuts? the nuts? the little tiny bits that are sometimes on the nuts?
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did he put some in/on a fire? a bonfire? In a firework?
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peanut shells? This the papery bits that come off the nuts? And this (aka "peanut skins") the nuts? No the little tiny bits that are sometimes on the nuts? No

did he put some in/on a fire? This, with a slight -ish a bonfire? In a firework?
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did someone else put them onto a fire, and Simon had influenced this?

Did this take place outdoors?
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Did he put them into a cigarette?
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did someone else put them onto a fire, It could have been him or Ellie; the story works either way and Simon had influenced this?

Did this take place outdoors? No!
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is it a fire used for heating? for cooking?

Were the peanut shells and skins mixed in with something else? something that looks similar? Were they disguised within/as something?
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is it a fire used for heating? Yes for cooking? No

Were the peanut shells and skins mixed in with something else? Yes/Yesish something that looks similar? No Were they disguised within/as something? Noish/Yope
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is it an open fire in a living room? were Simon and Ellie hosting a party at their home?
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is it an open fire in a living room? Yes, well it was in a fireplace were Simon and Ellie hosting a party at their home? Yes
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Were the peanuts being served as a snack at the party? before a meal? in place of a meal, along with other snack food? did the party have anything to do with sports events?
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Were the peanuts FA, and No to all being served as a snack at the party? before a meal? in place of a meal, along with other snack food? did the party have anything to do with sports events?
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*facepalm* I was just trying to think of a good reason for there to be peanut shells/skins around to be burned up...
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*facepalm* I was just trying to think of a good reason for there to be peanut shells/skins around to be burned up... Remember, think laterally.
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were they attached to a piece of wood or log in some way? were they in the chimney?

when the shells/skins were added to the fire, was it in the act of adding fuel to the fire?
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were they attached to a piece of wood or log Yesish in some way? Yes were they in the chimney? No

when the shells/skins were added to the fire, was it in the act of adding fuel to the fire? Yes
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Were the peanut shells/skins mixed in with the kindling?
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Were the peanut shells/skins mixed in with the kindling? Yes/Yesish, and I'm not sure if "kindling" is the right word
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were the shells/skins inside something that was put onto the fire?

I'm not entirely sure what else there is to discover...?
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were the shells/skins inside something that was put onto the fire? Yes

I'm not entirely sure what else there is to discover...? You still need to know what the shells/skins were in. And you might have an FA.
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were they inside something made of wood? something that is designed specifically to contain other objects such as a box?

Is the quantity of peanut shells/skins relevant? more than handful?

Anything to do with fashioning those slow burning things out of sawdust and glue? one of those that contained the peanut skins/shells?
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were they inside Yope something made of wood? Wood and a few other things something that is designed specifically to contain other objects such as a box? No

Is the quantity of peanut shells/skins relevant? Not really more than handful?

Anything to do with fashioning those slow burning things out of sawdust and glue? I'm not sure exactly what "slow burning things" you're referring to, but you may be OTRT one of those See prev that contained the peanut skins/shells? Yes
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apparently the word I was after is 'briquette'. relevant?
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apparently the word I was after is 'briquette'. relevant? Like wood pellets? Not those, but the thing in question is partially made out of sawdust.
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I'm not sure if what I'm thinking of would be described as pellets - I don't really know what I'm talking about - what I'm thinking of is a block slightly bigger than your palm - my mum had a load of them for the wood burner in the garden last summer - still no?
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I'm not sure if what I'm thinking of would be described as pellets - I don't really know what I'm talking about - what I'm thinking of is a block slightly bigger than your palm - my mum had a load of them for the wood burner in the garden last summer - still a no?
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I'm not sure if what I'm thinking of would be described as pellets - I don't really know what I'm talking about - what I'm thinking of is a block slightly bigger than your palm - my mum had a load of them for the wood burner in the garden last summer - still no? Still no, but OTRT. Think bigger.
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An artificially made log?
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An artificially made log? Yes!

Now if you can clear the FA, you're all set.
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Were the peanut shells/skins standard materials in the artificial log? as opposed to being added by Simon. is that it?
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Were the peanut shells/skins standard materials in the artificial log? as opposed to being added by Simon. is that it? Yep!

**********SPOILER**********

Some artificial fire logs are made with peanut shells and skins. This can pose a hazard to people with severe peanut allergies, as the peanut vapor becomes airborne when burned and can activate the allergy. Ellie had one of these allergies, and her wicked husband Simon took advantage of this fact to kill her off in the middle of a house party with many people present, simply by purchasing an artificial log containing peanut materials and burning it while she was in the room.

Nice work everyone, especially Andy for working hard on it. New puzzle up when I can think of one.
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Great puzzle. Cheers for posting.
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Very good puzzle, my friend.
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Good puzzle, Balin! =) Good work, Andy and everyone. Hope you get a new puzzle up soon Balin!

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