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When Gwendolyn describes her background, people assume that she's estranged from her family, but she actually gets along very well with them and always has, How come?
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Is she adopted?
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is it anything to do with her name? The names of any of her family members?

any particular family members relevant? mother? father? grandparents? siblings?

Is it relevant who she is describing her background to? is it one particular fact or thing she says that causes a false assumption?
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Is a play on words relevant?
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is her race relevant?
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Does she in some way have "more than one family"?
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Is she adopted?
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is it anything to do with her name? No. Names are important in many of my puzzles, but not this one.The names of any of her family members? ditto

any particular family members relevant? mother? father? grandparents? siblings? Parents are most relevant but grandarents might be too. Siblings would probably be much less important.

Is it relevant who she is describing her background to? somewhat is it one particular fact or thing she says that causes a false assumption? yes
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Is a play on words relevant? yesish
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is her race relevant? yesish
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Does she in some way have "more than one family"? no
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is she black? white? Asian? Hispanic? Native American? Mixed-race?
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is she black? white? Asian? Hispanic? Native American? Mixed-race?She is probably white, but maybe Asian.
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Is her family notorious?
Have they wronged her in some way?
Had she been cut out of the will?
You did not answer if she is adopted?
We are talking about a human being, right?
maybe i have this thing in reverse; is she the one that has wronged or disgraced her family in some way?
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Is her family notorious? no
Have they wronged her in some way? no
Had she been cut out of the will? no
You did not answer if she is adopted? sorry--it's irrel
We are talking about a human being, right? yes
maybe i have this thing in reverse; is she the one that has wronged or disgraced her family in some way? no
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Is her family the same race as hers?
Should I get dwarfism outta my head?
Her appearance have anything to do with anything?
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Is her family the same race as hers?yes
Should I get dwarfism outta my head? well, it won't help you solve this puzzle
Her appearance have anything to do with anything? it's irrel
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Has it anything to do with custom?
religious belief?
Wealth?
Where she lives?
Are those around her, friends, neighbors, affected by the cause behind the assumption?
Or just Gwendolyn?
Her parents?
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Has it anything to do with custom? yes
religious belief? yes|
Wealth? no
Where she lives? somewhat
Are those around her, friends, neighbors, affected by the cause behind the assumption? probably
Or just Gwendolyn? no
Her parents? yes
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Did she marry outside her religion?
Marry outside her race?
Did she marry a man?
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Did she marry outside her religion? irrel
Marry outside her race? irrel
Did she marry a man? irrel
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Is it relevant to nail down the religion?
The custom?
The country this took place in?
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Is it relevant to nail down the religion? It would help a lot. This is a true story & the actual religion is Judaism, which works very well for this puzzle. The puzzle does NOT require esoteric religious knowledge.
The custom? It's not just one custom
The country this took place in? It would help a lot. This is a true story & the actual country is the US, which works very well for this puzzle.
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Did she become a NUN? A priest? LOL!
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Did she become a NUN? no A priest? nooooooo LOL!
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Did she have a pig roast in the front yard or something? LOL!
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Did she have a pig roast in the front yard or something? LOL! No, but the solution is sort of funny
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And it does not just nvolve a Jewish holiday or celebration?
Did she break some family tradition or rule?
Did it involve some disobedience on her part?
Was it work related?
Is there any other person involved outside Gwendolyn and her family?
This thing we are talking about, only occurred in a Jewish family or is applicable to any family that is religious?
Was it legal what she did?
Is it a typical or common thing done in any other religion had she not been Jewish?
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When describing the relevant bit of background, does she talk about: only herself? Her father? Her mother? Grandparents? Is a specific Jewish holiday relevant? a non-Jewish holiday? Do people ask what she does for [insert non-Jewish holiday], and she answers that she doesn't visit her family? Something along these lines?
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Did she miss services on a Jewish holiday. Or go to her college's football game at Temple instead of going to synagogue on Yom Kippur? I know some UConn students who did that in 2010, then truthfully told their parents they would be "at Temple the whole day". Or did she go to church/mosque/Hindu House of Holiness? Is one of her parents one religion and the other another? Did she convert? The parents, did they? Does she look like a man? And they ask her if she's circumsided (thinking she's a man) and she says "I doubt that's possible)?
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And it does not just nvolve a Jewish holiday or celebration? correct
Did she break some family tradition or rule?\
b{ no}
Did it involve some disobedience on her part? yope
Was it work related? no
Is there any other person involved outside Gwendolyn and her family? yope
This thing we are talking about, only occurred in a Jewish family or is applicable to any family that is religious?yope
Was it legal what she did? yes
Is it a typical or common thing done in any other religion had she not been Jewish?not typical but fairly common

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When describing the relevant bit of background, does she talk about: only herself? no Her father?She talks about her "Jewish family" or maybe her "Jewish background." Her mother? see previous answer Grandparents? dittoIs a specific Jewish holiday relevant? no a non-Jewish holiday? no Do people ask what she does for [insert non-Jewish holiday], and she answers that she doesn't visit her family? noSomething along these lines? no
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Did she miss services on a Jewish holiday. irrel Or go to her college's football game at Temple instead of going to synagogue on Yom Kippur? noI know some UConn students who did that in 2010, then truthfully told their parents they would be "at Temple the whole day". That's funny!Or did she go to church/mosque/Hindu House of Holiness? noIs one of her parents one religion and the other another? no Did she convert? noThe parents, did they? no Does she look like a man? no And they ask her if she's circumsided (thinking she's a man) and she says "I doubt that's possible)? no
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Ok, you said this:
When Gwendolyn describes her background, people assume that she's estranged from her family etc.

In order for people to "assume" something about her just by listening to her give a run down on her background, well wouldn't that mean that there was something about her physical appearance that made them think that? Did how she dress have anything to do with it?
These people who did the assuming, were they part of a group or sect that she is also a member of?
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Ok, you said this:
When Gwendolyn describes her background, people assume that she's estranged from her family etc.

In order for people to "assume" something about her just by listening to her give a run down on her background, well wouldn't that mean that there was something about her physical appearance that made them think that? No, I'm talking about listeners who already know her & hence know some other things about her. Find out what!!Did how she dress have anything to do with it?possibly but not necessarily
These people who did the assuming, were they part of a group or sect that she is also a member of?possibly
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This sect thing, is it important to pursue or no?

These people who are suprised that she gets along with her parents, are they Jewish as well?

Are her parents very devout?

I forgot if it's been asked, but is she dating someone who is not Jewish?

Would it help to know where she works or what she does for a living?
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This sect thing, is it important to pursue or no? yesish

These people who are suprised that she gets along with her parents, are they Jewish as well? some are & some aren't

Are her parents very devoutprobably not

I forgot if it's been asked, but is she dating someone who is not Jewish? possibly but not necessarily

Would it help to know where she works or what she does for a living? somewhat
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Is she atheist?
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Is she atheist?possibly but not necessarily
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do they assume that she's not Jewish?
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do they assume that she's not Jewish?no
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HINT: Find out more about Gwendolyn's Jewish family.
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WW2 relevant?
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WW2 relevant? no
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HINT: Find out where Gwendolyn is on the social/political spectrum & where her family is.
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Is she a Democrat? a Republican? a leftist? a rightist?
Are her family members Democrats? Republicans? leftists? rightists?
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Is she a Democrat?yes a Republican? no a leftist?She's aleftist or very liberal a rightist? no
Are her family members Democrats?yes yes}Republicans? no leftists?They are leftists or very liberal. rightists? no
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is her family very wealthy?
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is her family very wealthy?
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are you gwendolin? is there a difference in wealth between G and her parents? is G richer? her parents? so they move in different social circles?
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is her family very wealthy? no, they're very middle class & so is she
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are you gwendolin? yes is there a difference in wealth between G and her parents?\b no, but irrel} is G richer? dittoher parents? ditto so they move in different social circles? they do move in different social circles, but that's because they have different interests & live in different cities
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HINT & RECAP: Gwendolyn & her family are all very middle-class & very liberal. It certainly works well for the puzzle if Gwendolyn's family is Jewish (mine is & I'm Gwendolyn), but this is not necessary.
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I'm really stuck (and everyone else seems to be stuck too)...

Does she use a word to describe her background that could be misleading / misunderstood?

You said the listeners already know other things about her. Do they know about her religion? her political views? that she is middle class? about her profession? her hobbies?
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I'm really stuck (and everyone else seems to be stuck too)...

Does she use a word to describe her background that could be misleading yes/ misunderstood?
'misleading' is more accurate

You said the listeners already know other things about her. Do they know about her religion? yes her political views? yesthat she is middle class? yes about her profession? yesher hobbies? irrel
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HINT: Think of a that is, paradoxically, often true of liberals, especially those who have lad little contact with non-liberals.
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THE MESSAGE BELOW CORRECTS MY TYPOS IN THE MESSAGE ABOVE.
HINT: Think of a characteristic that is, perhaps paradoxically, often true of liberals, especially those who have had little contact with non-liberals.
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ANOTHER RECAP: Gwendolyn & her family are all middle-class liberals. Gwendolyn's family is Jewish & has had virtually no personal contact with conservatives. (This is true of many New York Jews.) Gwendolyn's family has an accurate view of what Gwendolyn's present life is life & thoroughly approves of it, BUT what Gwendolen says about her family makes the listeners (who are also middle-class liberals) think her family disapproves of her. Whether Gwendolyn herself is Jewish is irrel.
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Can we assume that Gwen's lifestyle relevant? Is she married? living with someone? Is any of this, or anything similar, even remotely relevant?

Does she unintentionally give the impression that her family was poor or working-class (e.g. by talking about how hard they worked)?

Is Gwendolyn's profession or job relevant - in the puzzle, not in real life? Or could it be?
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Can we assume that Gwen's lifestyle relevant? yes Is she married? possibly living with someone?This would work very well Is any of this, or anything similar, even remotely relevant? yes

Does she unintentionally give the impression that her family was poor or working-class (e.g. by talking about how hard they worked)? no

Is Gwendolyn's profession or job relevant - in the puzzle, not in real life? somewhatOr could it be? yes
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Is her profession related to the arts?
Medicine?
Education?
Law?
Or could it be called more a 'job' than a profession?
Does she work with her hands?
Is where she lives relevant, in a broad sense? (e.g. suburbs, country)
Or regionally?
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Is her profession related to the arts? possibly
Medicine? ditto
Education? ditto
Law? ditto
Or could it be called more a 'job' than a profession?{no--& that's important for the puzzle}
Does she work with her hands? only if the work counts as a profession, such as being an artist or a surgeon
Is where she lives relevant, in a broad sense? (e.g. suburbs yope, country yope)
Or regionally?yope
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HINT: Find out what the listeners think about Gwendolyn's family's religion & politics.
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is she a lesbian?
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is she a lesbian? possibly but not necessarily
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RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement: Gwendolyn & her family are all middle-class liberal professionals. Gwendolyn's family knows what her lifestyle is like. Gwendolyn's family are New York Jews (I'm Gwendolyn & mine are) & it would be particularly good if Gwendolyn were a lesbian (although I'm not).
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Is she an activist?
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Is she an activist? Possibly but not necessarily (I'm not. I'm too lazy & have too little tolerance for rhetoric & slogans)
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Are they parents conservative Jews as in the branch of Judaism? And Gwendolyn says her parents are "Conservative Jews". And they think she means the political philosophy?

Would this work if Gwendolyn and her parents were communists? Socialists? Libertarians? Conservatives? Fascists? Anarchists? Panticommunists (oppose private undergarments)?
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Are they parents conservative Jews as in the branch of Judaism? possibly, but they are more likely to be Reform (a more liberal b
branch
And Gwendolyn says her parents are "Conservative Jews". noAnd they think she means the political philosophy?but the listener does thing G's parents are very conservative in the social & political sense

Would this work if Gwendolyn and her parents were communists? yes Socialists? yesLibertarians? noConservatives? no Fascists? noAnarchists? probably notPanticommunists (oppose private undergarments)? nooooooooooo
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"Panticommunism: Even Marx didnít mean for the abolition of private property to go that far."
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Reform Party relevant? Ross Perot?
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Reform Party relevant? no Ross Perot? no. Remember, Gwendolyn & her family are all liberal. (See above.)
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HINT: What might a liberal say about her exclusively liberal background that might make listeners think her background is conservative?
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Did she say her parents were narrow minded? that her upbringing was narrow? that her parents had only one point of view? that she wasn't exposed to other viewpoints? did she refer in some way to the fact that her family had one fixed viewpoint?
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Did she say her parents were narrow minded?See next answer that her upbringing was narrow? yesthat her parents had only one point of view? yesthat she wasn't exposed to other viewpoints? yes did she refer in some way to the fact that her family had one fixed viewpoint? yes

*********** SPOILER *************
Clever Hannah to the rescue!! I like to tell people that I come from a very narrow, insular Jewish background, where there was only one acceptable way of living & thinking & anyone who didn't toe the line was beyond the pale. This makes most people assume my parents were Orthodox Jews who expected me to be Orthodox as well as marry early & have lots of kids. They figure I must be estranged from my family, since I'm an unmarried & childless atheist who doesn't consider herself Jewish even in a cultural sense. But my particular sort of insular Jewish background was characteristic of many NY Jews: you had to go to college, get an advanced degree, enter a profession, & be liberal. I've done all that -- so my parents have been happy with my lifestyle (although if I had had wanted to pursue a lifestyle they wouldn't have liked, I would have done so.) Thanks eternally for solving it Hannah, & may you all please check out my new puzzle!!

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