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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 9:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did Sarah (H/A/F) and Gunnar (H/A/M) decide to move to Indonesia?

This is based on a movie and I didn't change the names. So, if this sounds familiar, please e-mail me your possible $poylers (:
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant where exactly they lived earlier?
Are their professions relevant?
Are any other people relevant?
Was there a crime committed?
Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Indonesia the only place they could have moved for their purposes? One of a few places?

Were they moving away from something? Is anyone else involved directly? Is there something particular that is legal in Indonesia? Something illegal?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant where exactly they lived earlier? somewhat. Assume Europe
Are their professions relevant? no
Are any other people relevant? yes
Was there a crime committed? no

Is Indonesia the only place they could have moved for their purposes? One of a few places? one of a few

Were they moving away from something? no Is anyone else involved directly? yes Is there something particular that is legal in Indonesia? Something illegal? no to these
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

extradition treaty relevant?
Docd (Docd)
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Posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they:
Married?
Girlfriend/boyfriend?
Mother/son?
Father/daughter?
Brother/sister?
Related? (but not in above list)

Just friends?
Co-workers?
Known to each other at all?

Did they move at the same time?
Did anyone else go with them?

Sarah's age- 18-30? 30-50? 50+
(Same for Gunnar)

Did they move to a specific place in Indonesia- City? Rural? Island? Jungle area?
Is any particular natural feature in Indonesia (eg its volcanoes) relevant?
Is any cultural or religious aspect of Indonesia relevant? Is religion relevant at all?
Dutch colonisation relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 1:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

extradition treaty relevant? no

Are they:
Married? either this
Girlfriend/boyfriend? or that
Mother/son?
Father/daughter?
Brother/sister?
Related? (but not in above list)

Just friends?
Co-workers?
Known to each other at all?

Did they move at the same time? yes
Did anyone else go with them? yesish

Sarah's age- 18-30? this, I think. Same for Gunnar, or 30-40 30-50? 50+
(Same for Gunnar)

Did they move to a specific place in Indonesia- City? Rural? Island? Jungle area? unknown/irrel
Is any particular natural feature in Indonesia (eg its volcanoes) relevant? no
Is any cultural or religious aspect of Indonesia relevant? Is religion relevant at all? no to both
Dutch colonisation relevant? no
Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 1:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they have a child? Does someone follow them there?

Is the actual name of the country relevant? Its language? Its climate? Any illness/cure involved?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was Sarah pregnant?

did they want the child to be born there?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they have a child? see below Does someone follow them there? no

Is the actual name of the country relevant? Its language? Its climate? no to these Any illness/cure involved? yesish for illness, no for cure

was Sarah pregnant? yes

did they want the child to be born there? not necessarily
Docd (Docd)
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2011 - 11:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there a pregnancy complication?
A foetal abnormality?

Were they seeking some sort of alternative medicine not available at home?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2011 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did they NOT want the child to be born where they lived to start with?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 12:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there a pregnancy complication? no
A foetal abnormality? yes

Were they seeking some sort of alternative medicine not available at home? no

did they NOT want the child to be born where they lived to start with? not necessarily - it's not so much about where the child is born.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they seeking an abortion?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 19, 2011 - 6:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they seeking an abortion? no
Sundowner (Sundowner)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 8:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they expect that the child might have better chances to survive in Indonesia? that it only in Indonesia will have a chance to survive?
Is there a cure for this illness which is available only in Indonesia? Is there a cure at all?
Is the illness a potentially fatal one? Will the child have a rather short life expectancy?
Will it be a boy? a girl? relevant?
Do they expect that living in Indonesia will make the life in some way easier for the child? (physically easier? socially easier?)
Is the climate in Indonesia relevant? Its geographical conditions?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 8:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they expect that the child might have better chances to survive in Indonesia? that it only in Indonesia will have a chance to survive?
Is there a cure for this illness which is available only in Indonesia? Is there a cure at all? no to all
Is the illness a potentially fatal one? unlikely Will the child have a rather short life expectancy? somewhat shorter than average
Will it be a boy? a girl? relevant? irrel
Do they expect that living in Indonesia will make the life in some way easier for the child? yes(physically easier? socially easier? this)
Is the climate in Indonesia relevant? Its geographical conditions? no to both
Tardigradeparty (Tardigradeparty)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 10:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something cultural that will make the child's life easier? Is the abnormality stigmatized in their home culture but not in Indonesia?
Docd (Docd)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 11:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The foetal abnormality:
Chromosomal? (eg Down syndrome)
Genetic? (eg cystic fibrosis)
Physical/developmental? (eg dwarfism, extra toes, spina bifida, etc)
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there something cultural that will make the child's life easier? noish Is the abnormality stigmatized in their home culture but not in Indonesia? noish

The foetal abnormality:
Chromosomal? (eg Down syndrome yes, Down syndrome)
Genetic? (eg cystic fibrosis)
Physical/developmental? (eg dwarfism, extra toes, spina bifida, etc)
Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2011 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so is there something specific that links Down Syndrome and Indonesia?
Docd (Docd)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 8:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this anything to do with the fact that Caucasian children with Down syndrome may have facial features (eyelid folds especially) similar to Asian children? (The old non-politically correct term "mongolism" comes to mind)
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 3:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so is there something specific that links Down Syndrome and Indonesia? yesish, see below

Is this anything to do with the fact that Caucasian children with Down syndrome may have facial features (eyelid folds especially) similar to Asian children? (The old non-politically correct term "mongolism" comes to mind) exactly - this is almost solved! So, what was Sarah's and Gunnar's train of thought?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 3:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That the child would look "normal" in Indonesia? Would look like Indonesian children?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 21, 2011 - 4:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That the child would look "normal" in Indonesia? Would look like Indonesian children? yes... I think we have enough for the

********SPOILER********
Sarah and Gunnar are expecting a child with Down syndrome. They decide to move to Indonesia because their child will "look normal" there and, so they hope, not be bullied or harassed.
(Well... you can definitely argue about their logic, but hey, it's taken from a movie - Adam's Apples.)


Nice quick solve, folks! Please don't forget my two other puzzles, and have a look at the one that I'm about to post (:

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