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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, January 06, 2012 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A criminal thought he'd gotten away with his crime for sure, but he was caught in an unusual way. How?

Criminal - H/A/M
FMOI
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 12:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the crime one that caused physical harm to someone else? Killed someone? (Or more than one person/living thing, if applicable)? Was it a crime involving money (robbery? burglary? embezzlement? blackmail? something else?) was the crime committed against a single person? multiple people? a group/organization? was it a series of related crimes?

would this scenario work in the present day? 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 50 years ago? 100? 500? 1000? 2000? More?
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Was the crime one that caused physical harm to someone else? Killed someone? (Or more than one person/living thing, if applicable)? Was it a crime involving money (robbery? This burglary? And this embezzlement? blackmail? something else?)

was the crime committed against a single person? multiple people? Assume this a group/organization? was it a series of related crimes?

would this scenario work in the present day? 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 50 years ago? From a little later than here to the present day. Say within the past 70 years 100? 500? 1000? 2000? More?
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 3:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he a cat burglar? or wuz he a kitteh burglur, oar evun teh Hamburglur, dat steelz cheezburgur?

(Or was he an actual cat-thief...or the Hamburglar of McDonald's fame...in past years...that tried to steal hamburgers? And cheeseburgers, too, I'm sure...)
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 4:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he a cat burglar? Just your average burglar
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Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 6:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*sigh* I iz confuseded...=(

was he stealing from poor people? middle class people? rich people? was there a pattern to his thefts? were his victims strangers to him? people he knew? neighbors? friends? relatives?
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Is some kind of technology relevant? That has been around for the last 70 years?
television? telephone? radio? cars? planes? (I know that they're all older, but at the beginning, they weren't that popular)
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was he stealing from poor people? middle class people? This rich people? was there a pattern to his thefts? FA were his victims strangers to him? This people he knew? neighbors? friends? relatives?

Is some kind of technology relevant? I don't know if it would be considered "technology," so Yope That has been around for the last 70 years? Yes
television? telephone? radio? cars? planes? (I know that they're all older, but at the beginning, they weren't that popular) No to all
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Did he commit just one theft? Is the stolen item(s) relevant?
Is it relevant how much time elapsed between theft and being caught?
Did the burglar had a good, reasonable reason to believe he would have gotten away with his crime?
Was he caught by accident?
Did he commit any other relevant crime or misdemeanour?
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Posted on Monday, January 09, 2012 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he commit just one theft? Yes Is the stolen item(s) relevant? No
Is it relevant how much time elapsed between theft and being caught? Yes. Assume it was less than a day
Did the burglar had a good, reasonable reason to believe he would have gotten away with his crime? Yes
Was he caught by accident? Yope
Did he commit any other relevant crime or misdemeanour? No
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Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 8:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

fingerprints relevant? DNA? television? radio? fax?
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Did the burglar leave any material evidence on the scene? Did someone see the burglar while committing the crime? Did the burglar tell anybody about the crime?
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fingerprints relevant? DNA? television? radio? fax? No to all

Did the burglar leave any material evidence on the scene? Yesish -- DOYD of "material evidence" Did someone see the burglar while committing the crime? No Did the burglar tell anybody about the crime? No
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 10:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had he left footprints? saliva? teethmarks?
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Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 4:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had he left footprints? Yes... saliva? No teethmarks? No
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was technology used to identify the footprints? the type of footwear? his footwear specifically?

did they make a cast of the footprints? hold on - were the footprints in soft ground, sand etc?

or were they indoors? on a tiled floor? wood? carpet?
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was technology used to identify the footprints? Yope the type of footwear? Yes his footwear specifically? Yes

did they make a cast of the footprints? No hold on - were the footprints in soft ground, sand etc? No

or were they indoors? Yes on a tiled floor? wood? This carpet?
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Did he have unique shoes? Did he boast about having unique shoes?
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did they take a photo of his footprints?
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Did he have unique shoes? Assume yes Did he boast about having unique shoes? Irrel

did they take a photo of his footprints? Eventually
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 8:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he wearing high heels? sandals? orthapaedic shoes? boots? stilts? roller skates? golf shoes? football boots?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he wearing high heels? sandals? orthapaedic shoes? boots? stilts? roller skates? golf shoes? football boots? Irrel. The point is that once the police got the footprints, they knew who the owner of the shoes was and identified the criminal.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did he wear two different size shoes? and he had to specially order them from the store? because he had two different size feet? my feet are like that...O_O
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did he wear two different size shoes? and he had to specially order them from the store? because he had two different size feet? Irrel my feet are like that...O_O Really? I did not know that. Interesting.

You don't need to know what's special about the shoes. What you do need to know is how the footprints were found.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2012 - 9:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

UV light?

were they not visible to the naked eye?

thermal imaging? microscope?
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Did he leave the footprints inside the house? outside the house? Did he leave the footprints while trying to clean up the crime scene from the signs of his presence?
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UV light? Yes

were they not visible to the naked eye? Yes (see above)

thermal imaging? No microscope? No

Did he leave the footprints inside the house? Yes, No to rest outside the house? Did he leave the footprints while trying to clean up the crime scene from the signs of his presence?
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Did he protect his shoes with a substance which enabled him to leave no ordinary footprints? But the substance is visible under UV light, what he didn't know?
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Did he protect his shoes with a substance which enabled him to leave no ordinary footprints? No But the substance is visible under UV light, what he didn't know? No, but a substance visible under UV light is relevant.
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Traces of his own blood on his shoes?
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Traces of his own blood on his shoes? No
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any other body fluids? semen? urine?

detergent? jellyfish?

something he'd walked in? or an intrisic part of the shoes?
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any other body fluids? semen? urine? This, but...

detergent? jellyfish? Neither

something he'd walked in? This or an intrisic part of the shoes?
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 - 10:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His own urine? His dog's urine (and only he has that type of dog in the neighbourhood)?
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not human urine?

had he walked through the cat's litter box?

urine which had been processed in some way? fertilizer? dye? bleach?
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His own urine? No His dog's urine (and only he has that type of dog in the neighborhood)? No but OTRT

not human urine? Right

had he walked through the cat's litter box? No, but it was cat urine

urine which had been processed in some way? fertilizer? dye? bleach? No to these

RECAP because you've almost got it:

A burglar broke into a house, but was caught after leaving footprints created because he'd stepped in cat urine, which glows under a blacklight.

Need to determine: How did he step in the urine? Where did the urine come from?
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the owners' cat?
The burglar's cat?
Some other random cat's urine?
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2012 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it the owners' cat? This
The burglar's cat?
Some other random cat's urine?
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Hmm,I wonder how they could identify him with cat urine footprints... Did they realise he had stepped in urine, and then checked something else? Like the cat scratched him? Or did the footprints themselves give away his identity?
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Hmm,I wonder how they could identify him with cat urine footprints... This part's pretty much been figured out: cat urine glows under a blacklight, and while searching the scene with one, they found the footprints. Did they realise he had stepped in urine, and then checked something else? Like the cat scratched him? Or did the footprints themselves give away his identity? This.

All you need to know is why there was cat urine on the floor. You know it was from the owner's cat, but there's a little piece left.
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Hmm,I wonder how they could identify him with cat urine footprints... This part's pretty much been figured out: cat urine glows under a blacklight, and while searching the scene with one, they found the footprints. Did they realise he had stepped in urine, and then checked something else? Like the cat scratched him? Or did the footprints themselves give away his identity? This.

All you need to know is why there was cat urine on the floor. You know it was from the owner's cat, but there's a little piece left.
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was it a male cat? had it sprayed?
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Did he step in the urine outside and brought it in the house on his shoes? Or the urine was already inside e.g. for Shez's reasons?
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was it a male cat? Irrel had it sprayed? Don't know what this means; I guess No

Did he step in the urine outside and brought it in the house on his shoes? No Or the urine was already inside Yes e.g. for Shez's reasons? No
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Male cats spray urine to 'mark their territory'. Basically Shez was asking if it had urinated somewhere to mark the place or thing.
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Male cats spray urine to 'mark their territory'. Basically Shez was asking if it had urinated somewhere to mark the place or thing. Ah. In that case, No.
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Was the cat scared? ill?
Or was it something else that the burglar did that cause a natural reaction in the cat?
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Was the cat scared? Yes ill? No
Or was it something else that the burglar did that cause a natural reaction in the cat? Not exactly, but I think you've got enough now.

**********SPOILER**********

A burglar broke into a house in order to rob it. However, his presence scared the home's cat, who urinated on the floor in fright. The burglar stepped in the cat urine during the course of the robbery, leaving footprints that were discovered with the aid of a UV light during the investigation (cat urine glows under a blacklight). The footprints were used to identify the criminal.

Nice work, everyone, and watch where you step.
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2012 - 11:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

darn it! I had given up because I couldn't see how a cat could have done that just anywhere!

nice puzzle Balin

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