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Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My friend is known to be a little messy, and doesn't mind messiness in others. In fact, if you ever see him being neat and tidy, it probably means he dislikes you. Why is this so?
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2012 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is your friend HAM?

Messy as in being unclean?
Messy as in having an unorderly apartment/workspace?
Messy as a state of mind?
Messy as in having "messy manners"?

When you see him being neat and tidy, is it a sign that he dislikes you in general?
Or just temporarily because he thinks he has to clean up for you?

Wild guess: Is your friend a dog (or other pet) that doesn't like being bathed?
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2012 - 3:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another angle: is he a child that throws his toys around, but if he dislikes you, he takes all of them and hides them in the box where they belong?
Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2012 - 7:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Potato (Potato)

Is your friend HAM? Yes.

Messy as in being unclean?
Messy as in having an unorderly apartment/workspace?
Messy as a state of mind? Any of these can apply.
Messy as in having "messy manners"? Not necessarily.

When you see him being neat and tidy, is it a sign that he dislikes you in general? Not really.
Or just temporarily Yes. because he thinks he has to clean up for you? Noish.

Wild guess: Is your friend a dog (or other pet) that doesn't like being bathed? No.

Emeraldink (Emeraldink)

Another angle: is he a child that throws his toys around, but if he dislikes you, he takes all of them and hides them in the box where they belong? No, nice ideas though.
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2012 - 7:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When he is being neat, has he cleaned up himself?
Or has somebody else cleaned up for him?
If so, does he want the other person to clean up for him?
Is he not able to find his things when somebody else has cleaned up?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2012 - 8:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

has he some kind of OCD? reverse OCD?

is he messy with people he likes because he feels more relaxed?
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Is your friend being neat in only one particular aspect?
If yes, does he hide a particular object/type of objects? Does he maintain one place particularly clean?
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Potato (Potato)

When he is being neat, has he cleaned up himself? Yesish.
Or has somebody else cleaned up for him? No.
If so, does he want the other person to clean up for him? No.
Is he not able to find his things when somebody else has cleaned up? Irr.

Shez (Shez)

has he some kind of OCD? reverse OCD? Nope.

is he messy with people he likes because he feels more relaxed? No or irr.

Redwine (Redwine)

Is your friend being neat in only one particular aspect? Yes.
If yes, does he hide a particular object/type of objects? No. Does he maintain one place particularly clean? Yes.
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the place he keeps particularly clean a kitchen? a bathroom? Not an entire room, but only a part of it?
Does it work only when disliked people visit his place? In disliked people's places? In other private residences? In public places?
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Is he tidy BECAUSE he doesn't like the person? Or is that coincidental?
For instance, I'm thinking of someone who is very tidy at work but not at home, and she hates a lot of people she works with. But she's not especially tidy because she doesn't like them. She just needs the job.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine (Redwine)

Is the place he keeps particularly clean a kitchen? No. a bathroom? No. Not an entire room, but only a part of it? Yes.
Does it work only when disliked people visit his place? Yes, for SVV of "place." In disliked people's places? In other private residences? No. In public places? Not any public place, but...

Ciaobella (Ciaobella)

Is he tidy BECAUSE he doesn't like the person? Yes. Or is that coincidental? No.
For instance, I'm thinking of someone who is very tidy at work but not at home, and she hates a lot of people she works with. But she's not especially tidy because she doesn't like them. She just needs the job. Not like this, but keep on that train of thought.
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Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2012 - 5:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His business? His home? A piece of furniture, such as a desk or shelf?
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Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2012 - 11:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it his office? or desk? or cubbyhole?
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the particularly clean place is related to his job?profession?

is he researcher? scientist? professor? student? is it relevant?
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Ciaobella (Ciaobella)

His business? Yope. His home? No. A piece of furniture, Yes. such as a desk or shelf? But not these.

Shez (Shez)

Is it his office? or desk? or cubbyhole? No to all.

Blue (Blue)
Welcome, Blue!

the particularly clean place is related to his job? Yes. profession? I wouldn't call it this.

is he researcher? scientist? professor? student? No to all. is it relevant? His job is, yes.
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Furniture: Chair? Couch? Wardrobe? Chest of drawers? Table?
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Hmmm- the refrigerator? If it is perfectly clean, he has no food to offer you. So when you're hungry, you leave instead of staying on. Is this close?
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does he work in education? police? government? the arts? sports? catering? manufacturing? fashion?
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Balin (Balin)

Furniture: Chair? Couch? Wardrobe? Chest of drawers? Table? This.

Ciaobella (Ciaobella)

Hmmm- the refrigerator? If it is perfectly clean, he has no food to offer you. So when you're hungry, you leave instead of staying on. Nope. Is this close? Sort of.

Shez (Shez)

does he work in education? police? government? the arts? sports? catering? This is closest, in fact it may be a yes. Not sure what you mean by 'catering'. manufacturing? fashion?
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Does he move away all food from the table, when disliked people are going to visit him?
Does he have his own business? Is this relevant?
Does he clean very carefully the table of disliked people to prevent complaints?
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Redwine (Redwine)

Does he move away all food from the table, when disliked people are going to visit him? No.
Does he have his own business? No. Is this relevant? In that his job is relevant, yes.
Does he clean very carefully the table of disliked people Yes... to prevent complaints? No.
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is he a waiter?

when he dislikes someone, and tries to be neat/tidy:
it is because of his employer? customers/clients? some financial reason? fine etc?
he does it unwillingly? willingly?
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is he a bus boy?

does he clear the table of people he doesn't like as soon as they've finished eating? before they've finished eating?

does he own the restaurant?
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Blue (Blue)

is he a waiter? Yes.

when he dislikes someone, and tries to be neat/tidy:
it is because of his employer? customers/clients? This. some financial reason? fine etc?
he does it unwillingly? willingly? Thisish...it isn't required.

Shez (Shez)

is he a bus boy? Waiter/bus boy. In the restaurant where I work and where this takes place, they are one and the same.

does he clear the table of people he doesn't like as soon as they've finished eating? Yes. before they've finished eating? Possibly.

does he own the restaurant? No.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 3:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he dislike because the persons had complained before?
Or becasue they behave in an obnoxious way (being overly loud or something)?
Because they're acting rude?
Because they're not dressed appropiately for the restaurant?

Does he act the way he does to get rid of them as soon as possible?
Or to get back at them in a way?

Does he act exaggerately polite?
Shez (Shez)
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so is he just encouraging them gently to leave?
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Potato (Potato)

Does he dislike because the persons had complained before?
Or becasue they behave in an obnoxious way (being overly loud or something)?
Because they're acting rude? Any of the above.
Because they're not dressed appropiately for the restaurant? Knowing my friend, he wouldn't care.

Does he act the way he does to get rid of them as soon as possible? Yes.
Or to get back at them in a way?

Does he act exaggerately polite? Yesish.

Shez (Shez)

so is he just encouraging them gently to leave? Yep.

**********************SPOILER
Simple as that.
At high-volume restaurants, such as the one my friend and I work at, maximizing tips is everything. If a server has a table that may not tip, or is taking forever to leave, or is otherwise just too impossible to stand, he wants to get rid of them and get a better table. One strategy is aggressively pre-bussing; taking every little scrap of napkin and straw off the table, removing and cleaning all the plates and cups, sweeping the area around the table...eventually the guests will either take the hint (consciously or subconsciously) or just get annoyed and leave.
So yes, when the waiter asks if you're done with your plate so they can "get that out of your way for you," they're trying to get rid of you. But don't let them push you around! You paid for the table, so hold on to it! (Which I have the luxury of saying because I'm not a server)
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 12:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OMG! now I know why restaurant staff are sometimes over-attentive towards me - they jut can't stand me! :oD

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