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Merton often gets asked a certain question about Lisetta, to which he accurately and pointedly replies, "She's trying to perfect her Japanese." The point he's making has nothing to do with Japan or with Japanese language or culture. How come??
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Lisetta = HAF?
Is this question asked because of something Lisetta does? says? doesn't do? doesn't say?
Do the question start with 'why', 'where', 'what' or 'how'?
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I say my DH must be part Japanese, because he likes to sit on the floor, even lie down on the floor & nap. Anything like that?
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When he says, "Her Japanese" is he referring to the Japanese language? Or something like a Japanese flower? Japanese food relevant? I love Japanese food.
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Lisetta = H yesA yesF yes (in view of the name) but irrel?
Is this question asked because of something Lisetta does? no says? no doesn't do? no doesn't say? no
Do the question start with 'why', 'where', 'what' or 'how'? no
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I say my DH Should I know what a DH is? A kind of dog (or, better yet, cat)? must be part Japanese, because he likes to sit on the floor, even lie down on the floor & nap. Anything like that? no
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When he says, "Her Japanese" is he referring to the Japanese language? yes Or something like a Japanese flower? noJapanese food relevant? noI love Japanese food. I like the main dishes, but are there any Japanese cakes, cookies, or candy??
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Is the relationship between Merton and Lisetta relevant? Are they friends? Related? Colleagues?

Is Lisetta's nationality or ethnicity relevant? Is she Japanese? Does she look Japanese? Is she trying to learn Japanese? If so, relevant why? Is spoken Japanese relevant here? The writing system?
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Is the relationship between Merton and Lisetta relevant? yes Are they friends? possibly Related? this is most likely Colleagues? less likjely but possible

Is Lisetta's nationality or ethnicity relevant? any is possible, but some are more likelyIs she Japanese? probably not Does she look Japanese? probably not Is she trying to learn Japanese? Well, 'perfect' suuggests that she already knows Japanese but is trying to get better at it If so, relevant why? no Is spoken Japanese relevant here? yesThe writing system? yes
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Is kanji relevant?
Pronounciation relevant?
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DH means 'Dear (or other adjective starting with 'd') Husband'. He is a dog person, but may be part cat also, given his ability to sleep anywhere.
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Does the question Merton is asked have something to do with something she said? Something she did?
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Is Merton being sarcastic?
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When he says 'She's trying to perfect her Japanese' is he saying it in a language that is not English? Do his words mean something else in another language?
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Is kanji relevant? What is kanji?
Pronounciation relevant? no more than any other aspect of the language
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DH means 'Dear (or other adjective starting with 'd') Husband'. He is a dog person, but may be part cat also, given his ability to sleep anywhere.
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Does the question Merton is asked have something to do with something she said? no Something she did? no
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Is Merton being sarcastic?yesish, but he is trying t get it across that she really is trying to improve her Japanese
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When he says 'She's trying to perfect her Japanese' is he saying it in a language that is not English? no Do his words mean something else in another language? no
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kanji = the characters that Japanese writing is made up of
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There are lots of Japanese sweet things to enjoy! Chinsuko is a shortbread-style cookie, Castella is a kind of sponge cake, and andagi are similar to doughnuts. Gelatin-style desserts are common, including a wonderful coffee-flavored jelly, which is also very good with ice cream. Sweet bean paste, which is NOT my favorite, is used in a lot of desserts, such as mochi, which is a dumpling with a sweet filling. There are many more options, but they may not be available in all markets or restaurants, so you might try finding recipes and making them yourself. It's not too hard.

Is Lisetta speaking at all when this occurs? Do we need to find out more about Lisetta as a person?
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Is the question asked to Merton about how Lisetta looks? How she thinks? Her profession?
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is Lisetta currently in Japan?

should she be doing something else? is Merton explaining why she isn't in a particular place? or doing a particular thing?
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is Merton related to Lisetta?

is he her teacher? her boss? her supervisor?

is he in some way responsible for her behaviour? her whereabouts?

do people ask about Lisetta in the workplace? at home? at school?
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kanji = the characters that Japanese writing is made up of yes, this is relevant
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There are lots of Japanese sweet things to enjoy! Chinsuko is a shortbread-style cookie, Castella is a kind of sponge cake, and andagi are similar to doughnuts. Gelatin-style desserts are common, including a wonderful coffee-flavored jelly, which is also very good with ice cream. Sweet bean paste, which is NOT my favorite, is used in a lot of desserts, such as mochi, which is a dumpling with a sweet filling. There are many more options, but they may not be available in all markets or restaurants, so you might try finding recipes and making them yourself. It's not too hard. Thanks for this LOVELY information!!

Is Lisetta speaking at all when this occurs? no Do we need to find out more about Lisetta as a person? yes
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Is the question asked to Merton about how Lisetta looks? no How she thinks? yes Her profession? no
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is Lisetta currently in Japan? no

should she be doing something else? no is Merton explaining why she isn't in a particular place? noor doing a particular thing? noish
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is Merton related to Lisetta? possibly

is he her teacher? no her boss? no her supervisor? no

is he in some way responsible for her behaviour? her whereabouts? no

do people ask about Lisetta in the workplace? noat home? possiblyat school? no> I'm answering the questions in terms of Lisetta's location, not the questioner's. The questioner could be anywhere.
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Is her belief system (or lack thereof) relevant? Her political affiliation? Her appearance? Her family? Her hobbies? A special ability? A disability?
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Is her belief system (or lack thereof) relevant? no Her political affiliation? no Her appearance? no Her family? noHer hobbies? yesA special ability? noishA disability? yesish
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The yes-ish disability: is it a physical disability?
Is the hobby a common one worldwide? Does she collect something? create something? use something? modify something?
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Is the disability related to how she thinks?

Is she mentally handicapped?
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Would the person asking Merton the question be showing some kind of prejudice? Making a false assumption? About Lisetta? About disability? Is Merton trying to show this to the person with his remark?
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The yes-ish disability: is it a physical disability?
Is the hobby a common one worldwide? no Does she collect something? no create something? nouse something? noish modify something? no
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Is the disability related to how she thinks? yes

Is she mentally handicapped? no
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Would the person asking Merton the question be showing some kind of prejudice? yes Making a false assumption? probablyAbout Lisetta? yesAbout disability? yesIs Merton trying to show this to the person with his remark? yes--& he's trying to show something else, too
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Does Lisetta talk differently to most people? Does she write in a different way? Associate with different people? Does she talk a lot with Japanese people?

Is there a particular method that one might use to perfect their Japanese that is relevant here?

Is racism relevant at all?
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Does Lisetta talk differently to most people? Does she write in a different way?Different from what? She's trying to improve her facility with ordinary Japanese Associate with different people? irrelDoes she talk a lot with Japanese people? irrel

Is there a particular method that one might use to perfect their Japanese that is relevant here? no

Is racism relevant at all? no
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I meant, does her disability make itself evident in the way she writes or speaks (whether English or Japanese)?
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I meant, does her disability make itself evident in the way she writes or speaks (whether English or Japanese)? False assumption: I said disability is relevant, not that she has one
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Is someone else's disability relevant? Sign language? Braille?
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Is someone else's disability relevant?yes Sign language?no Braille? no
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do the people asking the question have a disability?
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do the people asking the question have a disability? no
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Is there a specific disability relevant? A physical one? Affecting a particular body part? A mental one? Does it affect movement? Speech? Writing? Ability to learn?

Does Merton have the disability? Does anyone relevant to the puzzle have it? Or do the question-askers wrongly think that Lisetta does? That Merton does?
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Is there a specific disability relevant? A physical one? no Affecting a particular body part? noA mental one? yes Does it affect movement? noSpeech? yes Writing? yes Ability to learn yes

Does Merton have the disability? no Does anyone relevant to the puzzle have it? yes Or do the question-askers wrongly think that Lisetta does? yesish That Merton does? no
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Does Merton often get asked whether Lisetta has this disability? Or does the common question show that the askers think Lisetta has it? Or a similar disability?

Does Lisetta seem to talk strangely? Write strangely? In a way that can in fact be explained by her trying to perfect her Japanese? Does she practise writing a lot, and they assume she has trouble with writing in general but she is practising writing Japanese? Anything like this?

If Lisetta was trying to perfect her Mandarin instead, could this work? Her Russian? What if it was a language that uses the Roman alphabet? What if rather than trying to perfect it, she was in the early stages of learning Japanese from scratch?

Is there a relevant other person, outside of Merton and Lisetta, that we should find out more about? Someone with the disability? Do the people asking the question think that Lisetta seems to have some similarities with this person?
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Does Merton often get asked whether Lisetta has this disability? yes Or does the common question show that the askers think Lisetta has it? yesOr a similar disability? no

Does Lisetta seem to talk strangely? no Write strangely? noIn a way that can in fact be explained by her trying to perfect her Japanese? noDoes she practise writing a lot, and they assume she has trouble with writing in general but she is practising writing Japanese? no Anything like this? no

If Lisetta was trying to perfect her Mandarin instead, could this work? yes Her Russian? yesWhat if it was a language that uses the Roman alphabet? That would work but a bit less wellWhat if rather than trying to perfect it, she was in the early stages of learning Japanese from scratch? That would work

Is there a relevant other person, outside of Merton and Lisetta, that we should find out more about? yesish Someone with the disability? yes Do the people asking the question think that Lisetta seems to have some similarities with this person? yesish
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HINT: The wording of the question is relevant, as is the precise disability at issue.
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Does the disability have to do with: Hearing? Sight? Smell? Taste? Touch? Speaking? Mental functions?
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Does the disability have to do with: Hearing? no Sight? noSmell? noTaste? no Touch? Speaking? noMental functions? yes
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is the point he is making something to do with her mental capabilities? has someone implied that she is not very intelligent? or not capable of higher mental functions? and he is making the point that she is actually smart enough to do something clever like learn a difficult foreign language? has the person he is talking to make an incorrect assumption about her? one which is actually rather insulting? and he is pointing out the error of that assumption? does she have down's syndrome? some medical condition which is associated with poor cognition?
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is the point he is making something to do with her mental capabilities? yes has someone implied that she is not very intelligent? see next answeror not capable of higher mental functions? yesishand he is making the point that she is actually smart enough to do something clever like learn a difficult foreign language? yes has the person he is talking to make an incorrect assumption about her? yesish one which is actually rather insulting? yesand he is pointing out the error of that assumption? yes does she have down's syndrome? nosome medical condition which is associated with poor cognition? yope
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so there is someone else with a mental disability of some sort that is relevant? someone related to Lisetta? her mother? father? sister? classmate? someone who she spends a lot of time with? and do people assume she has the same disability? the question that he is responding to - is it 'where is lisetta?' is it 'what is lisetta doing'? when he says 'she is trying to perfect her Japanese' does he mean that lisetta is trying to perfect her own Japanese? or that of another person? or is someone else trying to perfect Lisetta's Japanese? is he saying something about the interaction between Lisetta and someone else? someone with a mental disability?
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so there is someone else with a mental disability of some sort that is relevant? yesish someone related to Lisetta? no her mother? no father? nosister? no classmate? nosomeone who she spends a lot of time with? noand do people assume she has the same disability? yes no the question that he is responding to - is it 'where is lisetta?' is it 'what is lisetta doing'? when he says 'she is trying to perfect her Japanese' does he mean that lisetta is trying to perfect her own Japanese? yesor that of another person? no or is someone else trying to perfect Lisetta's Japanese? nois he saying something about the interaction between Lisetta and someone else? nosomeone with a mental disability? no

HINTS: 1. Find out some background information about Lisetta.2. Find out the exact wording of the question.
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Is Lisetta's age relevant? Her family background? Her education?

Is the exact disability relevant, or just that it is a mental disability that some people would assume meant that a person could not learn Japanese?

Is the question 'Does Lisetta have x disability?' Or 'Can Lisetta do x'? Could the question have a yes/no answer?
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I don't know if this has been asked before, but I vaguely recall there's a disorder (brought on by head trauma, I think?) that causes people to completely change their accent/the way they speak. Has this happened to Lisetta? So now she speaks with a 'Japanese accent', despite not being Japanese?
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Is Lisetta's age relevant? Yes. She's at least 80 & the older the better.90 is fine, 100 better yet. Her family background? noHer education? no

Is the exact disability relevant yes, or just that it is a mental disability that some people would assume meant that a person could not learn Japanese? see previous answer

Is the question 'Does Lisetta have x disability?' noOr 'Can Lisetta do x'? noCould the question have a yes/no answer? yes
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I don't know if this has been asked before, but I vaguely recall there's a disorder (brought on by head trauma, I think?) that causes people to completely change their accent/the way they speak. Has this happened to L? no
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Alzheimers/dementia relevant? Do people assume that Lisetta is going senile? That people her age would be incapable of anything like learning Japanese? Do they ask about Lisett'a future? Imply that she should be in a home? That she is incapable of doing things for herself? That caring for her must be a burden on Merton?
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Alzheimers/dementia relevant? yesDo people assume that Lisetta is going senile? yesishThat people her age would be incapable of anything like learning Japanese? ditto Do they ask about Lisett'a future? noImply that she should be in a home? noThat she is incapable of doing things for herself? yope That caring for her must be a burden on Merton?no
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HINT: What's a common euphemism for dementia?
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'losing your mind'? 'losing your marbles'?
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HINT: What's a common euphemism for dementia?
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'losing your mind'?No-- that's not really a euphemism, is it? 'losing your marbles'? ditto
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excuse my issue with thinking up euphemisms...am suffering from a bad cold and the medicines have been messing with my brain...
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Senior moments? Going soft in the head?

Is the euphemism used in the question?
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Senior moments? That's not a euphemism; it's an ageist slur! Can you imagine anyone calling a cognitive lapse a "black moment" or a "female moment"? Going soft in the head? No--the expression is a real euphemism; an attempt to make dementia sound like a good thing!!

Is the euphemism used in the question?yes
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Does the question begin 'Is Lisetta...'?
'Does Lisetta have...'?
Are they effectively asking if she has dementia, but using a euphemism? Is the relevant other person mentioned earlier part of the euphemism?

Is Merton trying to criticise specifically the use of the euphemism? The assumption that an old person must have dementia? Be incapable of intellectually challenging activity?

Is his response pointed only because it proves that Lisetta is perfectly capable of such activity? Or is it fitted to the question in another way? If Lisetta was a quiz champion, or a successful scientist, say, could he bring these things up in response to the question with the same effect?
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one sandwich short of a picnic?
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Does the question begin 'Is Lisetta...'? no
'Does Lisetta have...'? yes
Are they effectively asking if she has dementia, but using a euphemism? yesIs the relevant other person mentioned earlier part of the euphemism? no--& it's not just one person

Is Merton trying to criticise specifically the use of the euphemism? yes The assumption that an old person must have dementia? yes Be incapable of intellectually challenging activity? Yes--& THINK OF WHAT YOU JUST WROTE!!!

Is his response pointed only because it proves that Lisetta is perfectly capable of such activity? not only Or is it fitted to the question in another way? yesIf Lisetta was a quiz championthis would work less well, or a successful scientist yes, say, could he bring these things up in response to the question with the same effect?
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'Be incapable of intellectually challenging activity'? Is that what you meant? The word 'challenge' relevant? Mentally challenged? Intellectually challenged?
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'Be incapable of intellectually challenging activity'? yesIs that what you meant? yes The word 'challenge' relevant? { yes}Mentally challenged? yesIntellectually challenged? yes

****** SPOILER ************
Upon hearing that Lissetta is 101 (or whatever), people often ask Merton, "Does she have any intellectual challenges?" He replies, accurately, "She's trying to perfect her Japanese" (certainly a great intellectual challenge for a non-native speaker) in order to get across 2 points: 1. People shouldn't figure that a very old person is likely to have dementia. 2. People shouldn't use the silly euphemism "intellectually challenged" when they mean demented. And what should people do? Check out my 2 new puzzles!!
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One of my friends at my middle school regularly used the word "demented" to refer not to people, but to things he thought were badly designed, useless, etc. For example, "This automatic hand dryer is demented! You might as well lick your hand dry!" (he also used "disgruntled" a lot, not for this purpose though). I could only imagine what people would have thought if he had used "intellectually challenged" for that!

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