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Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2012 - 10:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is entirely from my own imagination and quite lateral I hope.

How did getting a pet cat cause a man's death?
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Was it the man that got the pet cat, or someone else?
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Was it the man that got the pet cat, or someone else? It was the man
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Did he adopt the cat? Was it a kitten at time of acquisition? At time of the man's death? Is the kitten alive at the end of the story?
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Was it related to the manner in which the man got the cat? Did the man die before he brought the cat home?
Cat as in live, actual cat (not a stuffed animal for example)? Was it a domestic house cat?
Was the death caused by some sort of interaction with the cat? Or by someone else because of something the cat did?
Is cat food related?
Caused by trying to save the cat from danger?
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did he die from poisoning? asphyxiation? shooting? knifing? drowning? falling? a disease?
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did he try to give the cat a cheeseburger which it did not want and it clawed him to death? (lol, sorry)
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Did he adopt the cat? He could have done but not really relevant Was it a kitten at time of acquisition? Assume yes but would not have to be At time of the man's death? See above Is the kitten alive at the end of the story? Yes
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Was it related to the manner in which the man got the cat? No Did the man die before he brought the cat home? No
Cat as in live, actual cat (not a stuffed animal for example)? Yes Was it a domestic house cat? Yes
Was the death caused by some sort of interaction with the cat? No Or by someone else because of something the cat did? Noish
Is cat food related? No
Caused by trying to save the cat from danger? Indirectly yes
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did he die from poisoning? asphyxiation? shooting? This knifing? drowning? falling? a disease?
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did he try to give the cat a cheeseburger which it did not want and it clawed him to death? (lol, sorry) Hee Hee, no cheeseburgers were harmed during the making of this puzzle
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Was he shot by a gun? Crossbow? Bow & arrow?
Did the cat directly cause the shot? Indirectly?
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http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/54869.jpg
It was like that, wasn't it? ;)
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was the kitteh harmed? =(
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*gasp!* ciaobella kitteh, that's horrible! =(
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Was he shot by a gun? Yes Crossbow? Bow & arrow?
Did the cat directly cause the shot? No Indirectly? Depends on your definition . The did something because he had a cat and it was this action that led indirectly to his being shot
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http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/54869.jpg
It was like that, wasn't it? ;) Hee hee. Calm down Peter, breathe ....now pick one of the millions of puns flying around your brain. Ok I'll plump for "ah the dreaded Catling Gun"
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was the kitteh harmed? =(No thank goodness

*gasp!* ciaobella kitteh, that's horrible! =(Lol , nothing wrong with a bit of catitude
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Personally, I'd have gone with the Meowser pistol.

Was the gun shot by another person?
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Personally, I'd have gone with the Meowser pistol. purrfect

Was the gun shot by another person? Yes
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"The did something because he had a cat": About the typo, did you mean "he did.." or "They did.."?
I'll assume "he" for now.

You already said that it doesn't matter how he got the cat. But just to clarify: This puzzle would still work if he got the cat directly from a breeder or pet store, correct? So then, we know the cat wasn't someone else's previous pet. But did someone else think that it was their cat?
Was he shot inside his house? Outside? Did the person who shot him know that he had a pet cat?

Did he leave a window open so the cat could sit on the window-sill and some one broke in the house through the window?
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Was he at home? At the vet?
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The did something because he had a cat": About the typo, did you mean "he did.." or "They did.."? I meant he , sorry about that
I'll assume "he" for now.

You already said that it doesn't matter how he got the cat. But just to clarify: This puzzle would still work if he got the cat directly from a breeder or pet store, correct? Yes So then, we know the cat wasn't someone else's previous pet. But did someone else think that it was their cat? No
Was he shot inside his house? He could have been Outside? More likely this Did the person who shot him know that he had a pet cat? No

Did he leave a window open so the cat could sit on the window-sill and some one broke in the house through the window? No
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Was he at home? For the sake of this puzzle let's say he was shot just outside his house At the vet? No
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was he calling the cat in? outside looking for it? trying to recue it from a tree?
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was he calling the cat in? No outside looking for it? Yesish but not when he was shot. The shooting happened some time after he yesishly was looking for the cat. trying to recue it from a tree? No

Hint: Just to clarify the man does has started to do something since he got a new cat. This action is done to prevent the cat from coming to harm. It is like looking for the cat but not in a searching for it when it's lost sense. Doing this action results in his being shot some of time later.
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Would the same thing had happened if he had gotten a dog?
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Would the same thing had happened if he had gotten a dog? No at least I don't think so
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Was the man vocalising to the cat and someone heard it? Is the cat's name relevant?

(My first puzzles in several years is up, have a go... I stayed away from a lat-venture because there seem to be so many unresolved at the moment)
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Was he attempting to protect his cat from other non-human animals? From humans? From natural elements (such as rain)? From something manmade? From disease?
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Just long shots:
Shopping? For Cat litter? For cat food?

What kind of danger is he protecting that cat from? Starvation? Getting lost? Excessive heat? excessive cold? Predators?
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Was the man vocalising to the cat and someone heard it? Is the cat's name relevant? no to both

(My first puzzles in several years is up, have a go... I stayed away from a lat-venture because there seem to be so many unresolved at the moment) Must admit I'm not a huge fan of lateral adventures. They take too long for starters.
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Was he attempting to protect his cat from other non-human animals? No From humans? Indirectly From natural elements (such as rain)? No From something manmade? yes From disease? no
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Just long shots:
Shopping? For Cat litter? For cat food? No to all

What kind of danger is he protecting that cat from? Starvation? Getting lost? Excessive heat? excessive cold? Predators? None of these
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Is he protecting the cat from potential or certain death? Physical injury?
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Is he protecting the cat from potential or certain death? Yes Physical injury? This too but death more likely
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Potential cause of feline death relevant? If so, [LTPF list of sudden ways to die]?
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Sudden ways to die- the feline version:
-gunshots?
-poison?
-getting hit by a car?
-getting hit by a crowbar?
-getting hit by an anvil cartoon-style?
-strangulation?
-brass knuckles?
-poisonous darts?
-hitman?
-explosion?
-various methods of skinning a cat?
-microwave?
-firing squad?
-ninja?
-boredom?
-chainsaw?
-steamroller?
-exotic restaurant?
-wood chipper?
-lawnmower?
-guillotine?
-heroin?
-sacrifice to [pick a deity]?
-my personal favorite, curiosity? ;)

Choose any that apply. Always happy to provide a LTPF list. Other solvers, feel free to add.
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Sudden ways to die- the feline version:
-gunshots?
-poison?
-getting hit by a car? Yesish for being hit by a car , certainly a car would cause the death
-getting hit by a crowbar?
-getting hit by an anvil cartoon-style?
-strangulation?
-brass knuckles?
-poisonous darts?
-hitman?
-explosion?
-various methods of skinning a cat?
-microwave?
-firing squad?
-ninja?
-boredom?
-chainsaw?
-steamroller?
-exotic restaurant?
-wood chipper?
-lawnmower?
-guillotine?
-heroin?
-sacrifice to [pick a deity]?
-my personal favorite, curiosity? ;)

Choose any that apply. Always happy to provide a LTPF list. Other solvers, feel free to add. Without doubt the funniest LTPF list I've ever read. Feline Firing Squad lol sounds like the caption of a Larson cartoon
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Potential cause of feline death relevant? If so, [LTPF list of sudden ways to die]? Nearly missed this .... while I want you to work out exactly how the sudden death might manifest itself see my response to Ciao's hilarious list above.

Wait til Kaylee pops into this puzzle she'll be horrified
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Ahh, but no kittehs were harmed in the making of this puzzle. In fact, the man died protecting the kitteh!
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Being run over by a car (as opposed to just hit)?
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the kitteh didn't die, I hope =(
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Um, Kaylee, just so you know, I have never tried to kill a cat and mean no harm to any kittehs anywhere.
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Were you trying to prevent the cat from going into the road? Were you trying to prevent cars from going out into the road? =P
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Ahh, but no kittehs were harmed in the making of this puzzle. In fact, the man died protecting the kitteh! Indeed

Being run over by a car (as opposed to just hit)? Yes

the kitteh didn't die, I hope =(No the cat survives this tale
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Um, Kaylee, just so you know, I have never tried to kill a cat and mean no harm to any kittehs anywhere. Quite right too. I'm still giggling at your list though.

Were you trying to prevent the cat from going into the road? No . By the way I do not appear in this story Were you trying to prevent cars from going out into the road? =P No he wasn't
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LOL, but of course you wouldn't appear in this story, as the main character has died. Although, should I be granted afterlife as a ghost, I would enjoy haunting the LTPF. Anyway, I clearly wasn't thinking. My apologies.

Did the cat run out into the road?
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LOL, but of course you wouldn't appear in this story, as the main character has died. Although, should I be granted afterlife as a ghost, I would enjoy haunting the LTPF. Anyway, I clearly wasn't thinking. My apologies. No worries

Did the cat run out into the road? no
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Would the shooting of the man be classified as murder? or accident? Did the shooter intend to kill? kill the man? Did the shooter make a mistake?
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Was the shooter aiming for someone besides the man? Or something? Or perhaps the cat?
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Would the shooting of the man be classified as murder? Yes or accident? Did the shooter intend to kill? Yes kill the man? Yes Did the shooter make a mistake? Yes
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Was the shooter aiming for someone besides the man? No Or something? Or perhaps the cat?
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Was the shooter intending to kill that particular man? Another man? Was the shooter a sniper?
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Did the shooter incorrectly assume something about the man that got killed? If so, did the false assumption involve identity? guilt? intentions?
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Was the shooter intending to kill that particular man? He thought he was but he had the wrong man Another man? {Yes} Was the shooter a sniper? Could have been but not necessarily.
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Did the shooter incorrectly assume something about the man that got killed? Yes If so, did the false assumption involve identity? Yes guilt? No intentions? Noish but don't get hung up on this

Clarification and Recap: The man who got shot was deliberately murdered by the shooter i.e. he was not hit in a crossfire or by a ricochet. However he was killed as a result of mistaken identity and the reason for this was his recent acquisition of a cat and his desire to make sure the get didn't get squished by a car. That's all we've established so far
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So is it like that one episode of Murder, She Wrote where a man comes to a woman's house expecting to see another man there and he shoots him through the window, only it turns out he shot the wrong man, because he was there instead of the other one?

I can't remember all the details, but basically both the intended victim and the dead man were conmen and former partners, and the intended vic was a man who was irritating all the men it town by using his charm and appeal to sell health products and stuff to women, while the other one who actually got shot had roped the woman into some sort of financial scam having to do with some land she owned, I think. She'd made an appointment for some 'treatment' from the health guy, and the shooter heard her, but she cancelled it. The shooter didn't know she'd cancelled it, so when the con man broke into her house to go through her stuff and rob her, and the shooter came to shoot the other guy, the shooter thought it was him. So was it like that?
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So is it like that one episode of Murder, She Wrote where a man comes to a woman's house expecting to see another man there and he shoots him through the window, only it turns out he shot the wrong man, because he was there instead of the other one? Nothing like that

I can't remember all the details, but basically both the intended victim and the dead man were conmen and former partners, and the intended vic was a man who was irritating all the men it town by using his charm and appeal to sell health products and stuff to women, while the other one who actually got shot had roped the woman into some sort of financial scam having to do with some land she owned, I think. She'd made an appointment for some 'treatment' from the health guy, and the shooter heard her, but she cancelled it. The shooter didn't know she'd cancelled it, so when the con man broke into her house to go through her stuff and rob her, and the shooter came to shoot the other guy, the shooter thought it was him. So was it like that? Fraid not. This is entirely FMOI
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Was the driver (if there was a driver?) of the car in anyway related to the shooter? Did the driver try to run over the cat?

Had the shooter planned the murder?

Did the shooter make the false assumption about the man's identity because of his ownership of the cat? Or/and the saving of the cat? Did the shooter also have a false assumption about the cat's identity?
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Had the shooter been hired to kill someone? Is there a relevant object (such as a pet collar) that contributed to the mistaken identity?
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Was the driver (if there was a driver?) of the car in anyway related to the shooter? No Did the driver try to run over the cat? No quite the opposite. There's an element of FA here but I can't say too much without blowing the solution

Had the shooter planned the murder? Yes

Did the shooter make the false assumption about the man's identity because of his ownership of the cat? The man does something because of his ownership of a cat but this action is misinterpreted by the killer as being something else entirely. But it is true to say that this action gives the killer a false assumption about the victim's identity Or/and the saving of the cat? See above Did the shooter also have a false assumption about the cat's identity? You can assume that the killer knew nothing about the cat at all
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Had the shooter been hired to kill someone? No Is there a relevant object (such as a pet collar) that contributed to the mistaken identity? Yes we've already established that a car is relevent. No kitty accessories are relevent however.
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The driver and the shooter are not the same person, correct? The driver and the owner of the cat are also two different persons?

Did the driver see the cat? Did he try to break to avoid hitting the cat? Was he unable to break? or was there not enough time to stop the car before the car would have hit the cat? If the owner of the cat hadn't interfered, would the cat have been hit by the car?

Did the shooter see the cat? If no, would the shooter realize his mistake and not shoot if he had seen the cat?

Did the owner save the cat by picking it up? get it to move (by movement or sound)? by stopping the car (physically)? by getting the car to stop (by movement or sound)?
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The driver and the shooter are not the same person, correct? Correct The driver and the owner of the cat are also two different persons? Incorrect, the driver is the cat owner and murder victim

Did the driver see the cat? see below Did he try to break to avoid hitting the cat? He wasn't driving at the time he did this action but his having a car is relevant to the action Was he unable to break? See above or was there not enough time to stop the car before the car would have hit the cat? See above he was not driving at the time If the owner of the cat hadn't interfered, would the cat have been hit by the car? FA

Did the shooter see the cat? No If no, would the shooter realize his mistake and not shoot if he had seen the cat? Quite possibly it would certainly have given him cause to think

Did the owner save the cat by picking it up? The action the owner did and does regularly is more about preventing the risk of getting run over rather than saving the cat from actually gettting run over. Hope this isn't confusing get it to move (by movement or sound)? by stopping the car (physically)? by getting the car to stop (by movement or sound)? I can cover all of these with my hint below:

This has become quite confusing it would appear so I'll help a little.

The murder victim does a particular action routinely because he owns a cat and a car. His objective is to reduce the risk of the cat coming to harm. He does not however do this while driving. This action is observed by the murderer which leads him to kill the victim.

Think of ways cats interact with cars and you'll be well on your way
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Ways Cats Interact With Cars:
(from a very sleepy Kaylee kitteh who is running on 6 hours of sleep)

-Sleeping on them
-Sleeping under them
-Running in front of them
-Walking underneath them
-Crossing the road when a car's coming and giving the car a Kitteh Look of Doom as if daring it to get in the way
-Eating cheezburgur inside it, thoughtfully bought by the kitteh's person...even if not for the kitteh (what do you mean, OF COURSE it's for the kitteh...right?)
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Is the cat somehow prevented from going out into the road? Like an electric collar?
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Ways Cats Interact With Cars:
(from a very sleepy Kaylee kitteh who is running on 6 hours of sleep) 6 hours would be a blessing for me. I must tell you all about my insomnia some time

-Sleeping on them
-Sleeping under them Yes . Now then....
-Running in front of them
-Walking underneath them
-Crossing the road when a car's coming and giving the car a Kitteh Look of Doom as if daring it to get in the way
-Eating cheezburgur inside it, thoughtfully bought by the kitteh's person...even if not for the kitteh (what do you mean, OF COURSE it's for the kitteh...right?) but of course
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Is the cat somehow prevented from going out into the road? Like an electric collar? No to both
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Did the owner of the cat look under the car (before getting into it)?
Did the shooter perhaps think that the owner was looking for something else under the car? like a bomb?
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Was the kitteh looking for cheezburgur when it went under the car? Or somewhere to eat its cheezburgur in peace? But its person got into the car?
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Did the owner of the cat look under the car (before getting into it)? Yes
Did the shooter perhaps think that the owner was looking for something else under the car? Yes like a bomb? Exactly ...very well done. Can you apply the finishing touch and describe what happened and why
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Was the kitteh looking for cheezburgur when it went under the car? Or somewhere to eat its cheezburgur in peace? But its person got into the car? lol I hereby decree that from now on the metaphor for persistence 'like a dog with a bone' shall be replaced by 'like a kitteh with a cheezburgur'
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Hmm... I'm still not sure about the missing piece.

Had the shooter seen the man look under the car many times before?
Did the shooter feel threatened by the cat owner? Was he angry with him?

Had someone blown up the shooter's car? Did the shooter believe the cat owner was a criminal/bad person?
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Had there been a rash of car bombings?
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kaylee kitteh is a persistent kitteh...^_^
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Hmm... I'm still not sure about the missing piece. Sorry i guess given that I know the solution the leap required is a samll one so I thought you had it

Had the shooter seen the man look under the car many times before? He could have seen him only once but lets say he saw this happen a couple of times
Did the shooter feel threatened by the cat owner? No Was he angry with him? Not the way I'd describe it so I'll say yope to this. You need to establish the motive for the killers intended victim

Had someone blown up the shooter's car? No Did the shooter believe the cat owner was a criminal/bad person? Not a criminal no but a bad person I'll say yesish. Concentrate on the nature of the crime that was actually intended. The method used is a clue
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Had there been a rash of car bombings? In the scenario in my head there certainly could have been, but there need not have been for this puzzle to work
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Would the shooter be classified as a terrorist? Did the shooter want to kill someone
famous?
rich?
important?
involved in politics?
paranoid? =)
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Was the shooter afraid of the cat owner? Did he think the cat owner was mentally ill? Did he expect that there would have been a good reason for the cat owner to check for a car bomb? profession relevant?
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Would the shooter be classified as a terrorist? Yes Did the shooter want to kill someone
famous?
rich?
important? Yes
involved in politics? Could have been but not in my scenario
paranoid? =)No ;)
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Was the shooter afraid of the cat owner? Did he think the cat owner was mentally ill? No to these Did he expect that there would have been a good reason for the cat owner to check for a car bomb? Yes profession relevant? The victims yes . But remember it was a case of mistaken identity
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You should have all you need now
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So the shooter was trying to assassinate someone important. Did that someone suspect that an attempt would be made on their life? If so then the shooter might suspect that person to check under their car for a bomb as a precaution, and so when Our Hero looked under his car for his cat, the shooter thought he was the important person and killed him.

That good?
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I'm thinking along those lines too, Balin...
Do we need to figure out more details?
This was a good one, I think.
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So the shooter was trying to assassinate someone important. Did that someone suspect that an attempt would be made on their life? They knew they might be a target given their profession If so then the shooter might suspect that person to check under their car for a bomb as a precaution, and so when Our Hero looked under his car for his cat, the shooter thought he was the important person and killed him.

That good? Pretty good yes

I'm thinking along those lines too, Balin...
Do we need to figure out more details? No not really see below......

This was a good one, I think. Thanks and we can move on to the....

************Spoiler***************

In my mind this puzzle was set during the Northern Ireland troubles when car bombs were a common method of assassination.

The murderer (Jim) who's a member of a terrorist organisation is sent by his superiors to assassinate a high ranking member of the security forces (or a judge or politician). However they have limited intelligence on their target save for the address of the little cul-de-sac on which he lives and a brief discription (6 ft, 200 lbs dark hair etc.). There are only 6 houses on the little avenue and the target lives in one of them.

The victim (Pat) also lives in the cul-de-sac. He has recently acquired a new pet cat which sleeps indoors but is let outside first thing every morning. Pat has noticed that the little rascal has a habit as a lot of cats do of hiding underneath his car. Not wanting to crush the cat when he reverses out of the drive he has taken to looking under his car before leaving for work to make sure she isn't there.

Unfortunately Jim who is casing the area posing as a jogger or deliveryman or something similar spots Pat looking under his car. Pat is 6ft tall weighs about 200 lbs and has dark hair so broadly matches the discription Jim has been given.

In Northern Ireland at the time all security force personel were instructed to always check under their vechicle for bombs which saved many lives but unfortunately had the downside of advertising yourself as a potential target to any terrorist sympathiser who might see you doing so.

Consequently Jim immediately forms the opinion that Pat is his target and the next day shoots him dead as he leaves his house. Pat of course is just an ordinary civilian with no reason to look out for car bombs who dies as a result of mistaken identity. Unfortunately such mistakes were all too common during the bad days of the 1970s and 80s. Thank goodness those days are over.

I got the idea for this puzzle from the fact that I now have to check under my car because our new cat likes to hide there.

Thanks to all who played especially Balin & Emma for finishing this off. Hope you enjoyed it.


P.S. Did anyone notice the cat hiding in the puzzle title?
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Didn't notice the cat in the title (I see it now) but I was wondering about the title the entire time. Excellent puzzle.
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Good puzzle! I'm adding it to my collection. =)
The leap from looking under cars and bombs came all too naturally for me due to my visit to the Philippines. =/
And no, I didn't spot the feline until you pointed it out...
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Thanks , I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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Lol- that's great that you hid a cat in the puzzle title! How very creative!
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Ah thanks Ciaobella, it added a nice touch I thought.
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the kitteh in the title can haz cheezburgur?

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