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| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7924 Registered: 8-2001 |
Adeline has a trait that is not particularly common anywhere, but is probably most common in people from middle-class backgrounds like hers. She was not surprised to find that it is rare among the poor, but she was surprised to find that it seems to be rare among the rich as well. What is it? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 961 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is her trait related to her physical appearance? An ability? A matter of her personal history? Is it related to her family? her location? her personal preferences? her career? her education? her health? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3005 Registered: 2-2011 |
generosity? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7926 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ciaobella (Ciaobella) New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 961 Registered: 8-2011 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 - 3:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is her trait related to her physical appearance? noAn ability? noA matter of her personal history? Yes--it's an aspect of ner personal history, not a character traitIs it related to her family? yesishher location? no her personal preferences? yes her career? yesher education? no or noishher health? no Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3005 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Friday, April 13, 2012 - 3:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) generosity? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7937 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: What aspect of your personal history is apt to be related to your family's income? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3017 Registered: 2-2011 |
education? - but that wouldn't be relevant in England... | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7943 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3017 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 9:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) education?That's not it. - but that wouldn't be relevant in England... | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 670 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is it to do with the type of experiences had during childhood? Such as holidays taken? The neighbourhood one lives in? Extra-curricular activities? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7948 Registered: 8-2001 |
Logician (Logician) New member Username: Logician Post Number: 670 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 8:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it to do with the type of experiences had during childhood?yopeSuch as holidays taken? no The neighbourhood one lives in? noExtra-curricular activities? yes | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 674 Registered: 6-2003 |
Are these extra-curricular activities ones taken within schooltime? (e.g. during breaks or lunch) Before? After? With the teachers/school staff engaging the children in the activity? The child's parents? Other parents/guardians? Other children? Other family members / friends of the family? Strangers? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7950 Registered: 8-2001 |
Logician (Logician) New member Username: Logician Post Number: 674 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Sunday, April 29, 2012 - 11:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are these extra-curricular activities ones taken within schooltime? possibly (e.g. during breaks or lunch) Before? dittoAfter? ditto With the teachers unlikely/school staff possiblyengaging the children in the activity? The child's parents?less likely Other parents/guardians? Please clarifyOther children? possiblyOther family members possibly / friends of the family ditto? Strangers? ditto | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7954 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Think about various activities other than schoolwork that a high school student or (more likely) college student might be engaged in. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1871 Registered: 9-2010 |
Beer drinking? Some other illegal activity that young people often engage in anyway? Or is it participating in some legitimate group? Is it in one of the following [LTPF List of Student Organization Categories Which I Pilfered from the UConnTact Student Organization Directory] Academic Club Sports Community Outreach Office Cultural Environmental Exercise/Fitness Greek Fraternities/Sororities Involvement & Leadership Programs Media Military Peer Education Performing/Visual Arts Political Programming Religious Residence Hall Councils Service Social Justice Special Interest/Other Special Programs Technology University Program | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7958 Registered: 8-2001 |
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn) New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1871 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 11:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Beer drinking? no Some other illegal activity that young people often engage in anyway? no Or is it participating in some legitimate group? Well, it's a legitimate activity but may or may not be done in a group Is it in one of the following [LTPF List of Student Organization Categories Which I Pilfered from the UConnTact Student Organization Directory] It's not participation in a student organization Academic Club Sports Community Outreach Office Cultural Environmental Exercise/Fitness Greek Fraternities/Sororities Involvement & Leadership Programs Media Military Peer Education Performing/Visual Arts Political Programming Religious Residence Hall Councils Service Social Justice Special Interest/Other Special Programs Technology University Program | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2012 |
Anything to do with 'middle-class morality' - which the poor presumably can't afford and the rich don't feel bound by? Is the activity gender-related, or praticed more by one gender than the other? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7959 Registered: 8-2001 |
Solo1 (Solo1) New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2012 Posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 - 10:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Anything to do with 'middle-class morality' - which the poor presumably can't afford and the rich don't feel bound by? no Is the activity gender-related no, or praticed more by one gender than the other?Maybe a bit more by boys; maybe no difference | ||
| Jane (Jane)
New member Username: Jane Post Number: 176 Registered: 4-2012 |
Is it to do with drinking? Buying drinks for other people? Driving? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7962 Registered: 8-2001 |
Post Number: 176 Registered: 4-2012 Posted on Monday, May 07, 2012 - 6:53 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it to do with drinking?no Buying drinks for other people?no Driving? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1253 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the activity volunteering? giving to charity? engaging in competitive sports? you said she wasn't surprised that poor people don't do it correct? is that because a person needs a certain income to do it? needs spare cash? is it because it's something that tends not to happen where poorer people live? because of the physical surroundings? is it because she thinks poor people do not have the right level of education to enjoy doing it? or think it is a good thing to do? is it rare among the rich because they don't know this is something that people can do? because they don't want to spend their money? because it would actually be harder for them to do than less rich people? because the facilities are less likely to be present where rich people live? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7965 Registered: 8-2001 |
Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1253 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Friday, May 11, 2012 - 11:19 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- is the activity volunteering? no giving to charity? no engaging in competitive sports? no you said she wasn't surprised that poor people don't do it correct? yes is that because a person needs a certain income to do it? yes needs spare cash?see previoius answer is it because it's something that tends not to happen where poorer people live? no because of the physical surroundings? no is it because she thinks poor people do not have the right level of education to enjoy doing it? noor think it is a good thing to do? no is it rare among the rich because they don't know this is something that people can do? nobecause they don't want to spend their money? no because it would actually be harder for them to do than less rich people? no because the facilities are less likely to be present where rich people live? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7969 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: What did you do (or are you doing) while you were (are)mat university, besides going to school? Adeline has never done it! | ||
| Jane (Jane)
New member Username: Jane Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2012 |
Sport? Culture? Travel? I am actually a bit confused by this puzzle. Is the "trait" of the puzzle statement the state of never having done this thing? Does "it is rare among the poor" mean it is rare for the poor to do the thing? Or rare for the poor not to do the thing? I will ask some questions worthy of the accolades when you clear this up for me! | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7987 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jane (Jane) New member Username: Jane Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2012 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2012 - 12:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Sport? no Culture? no Travel? no I am actually a bit confused by this puzzle. Is the "trait" of the puzzle statement the state of never having done this thing? yes Does "it is rare among the poor" mean it is rare for the poor to do the thing? no Or rare for the poor not to do the thing? yes I will ask some questions worthy of the accolades when you clear this up for me! I can hardly wait!! | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1480 Registered: 4-2007 |
Would the thing be considered part of one's social life? Is it to do with where she lives? Eg she has never lived outside of her parental home? If most poor/rich people have done this thing, would they mostly have done it by age 10? Age 20? Is university/high school relevant to the thing that Adeline has never done, or just that is the age at which most people do it? Could Adeline do the thing any time if she chose? Is the reason that poor people are unlikely to have the trait related to the fact that they may not be able to afford university? That they are more likely to have to work from an earlier age? Is the 'thing' that Adeline has never done something that one does for an extended period of time? Something that can be done in one go and finished? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7990 Registered: 8-2001 |
Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2012 - 6:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would the thing be considered part of one's social life? not in the usual sense of the termIs it to do with where she lives? no Eg she has never lived outside of her parental home? no If most poor/rich people have done this thing, would they mostly have done it by age 10? Age 20? Is university/high school relevant to the thing that Adeline has never done, or just that is the age at which most people do it? Could Adeline do the thing any time if she chose? Is the reason that poor people are unlikely to have the trait related to the fact that they may not be able to afford university? yesish That they are more likely to have to work from an earlier age? yes Is the 'thing' that Adeline has never done something that one does for an extended period of time? possiblySomething that can be done in one go and finished? possibly | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1481 Registered: 4-2007 |
I think you missed these ones... If most poor/rich people have done this thing, would they mostly have done it by age 10? Age 20? Is university/high school relevant to the thing that Adeline has never done, or just that is the age at which most people do it? Could Adeline do the thing any time if she chose? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7991 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1481 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2012 - 7:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I think you missed these ones... Oops!! Sorry!! See below. . . . If most poor/rich people have done this thing, would they mostly have done it by age 10? no Age 20? probablyIs university/high school relevant to the thing that Adeline has never done, no or just that is the age at which most people do it?noish Could Adeline do the thing any time if she chose no? | ||
| Jane (Jane)
New member Username: Jane Post Number: 319 Registered: 4-2012 |
So could the puzzle statement be reworded as: "Adeline has a trait that is rare - she has never [somethinged]. She wasn't surprised to find that most poor people have [somethinged], but she was surprised to find that most rich people have as well." If so, is it surprising that rich people have done it because it is something that one would not expect rich people to do? To want to do? To need to do? Is it related to money? Is it something which saves money? Earns money? Is the "something" having a job? Signing on for unemployment benefit? Borrowing money? Running out of a restaurant without paying? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 7998 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jane (Jane) New member Username: Jane Post Number: 319 Registered: 4-2012 Posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 - 12:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So could the puzzle statement be reworded as: "Adeline has a trait that is rare - she has never [somethinged]. She wasn't surprised to find that most poor people have [somethinged], but she was surprised to find that most rich people have as well." yes If so, is it surprising that rich people have done it because it is something that one would not expect rich people to do? yesTo want to do? yes To need to do? yes Is it related to money? yes Is it something which saves money? no Earns money? yes Is the "something" having a job? yesish GOOOOOOD QUESTION--FIND OUT WHAT SORT OF JOB!!!! Signing on for unemployment benefit? no Borrowing money? noRunning out of a restaurant without paying? no | ||
| Jane (Jane)
New member Username: Jane Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2012 |
Working as a waiter/waitress? Working behind a bar? In a cafe? In a factory? As a cleaner? Delivering newspapers? Delivering post? Collecting money for charity in the street? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1482 Registered: 4-2007 |
Working part-time? Working while studying? Working in the service industry? Working for minimum wage? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8002 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jane (Jane) New member Username: Jane Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2012 Posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 - 1:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Working as a waiter/waitress? possiblyWorking behind a bar? ditto In a cafe? ditto In a factory? dittoAs a cleaner? ditto Delivering newspapers? ditto Delivering post? ditto Collecting money for charity in the street? no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1482 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 - 12:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Working part-time? noWorking while studying? possiblyWorking in the service industry? ditto Working for minimum wage? ditto This is close enough for me to declare a ****** SPOILER ************ Adeline is in a profession, & she's never had a non-professional job purely to get money (or "expeience"). She'd never been a waitress, babysitter, newspaper deliverer, etc., either during the school year or during summer vacations. I'm almost Adeline. I had a job as a file clerk the summer between high school & college, & I lasted all of TWO DAYS -- but other than that, I've never done any paid work but teaching, research, & freelance writing. As I've mentioned in earlier puzzles, my family was middle-middle-class (both my parents were high school teachers). I wasn't surprised that my high school & college friends from poor families took the sorts of jobs I didn't, but I was surprised to learn that some from rich families did, too, because their parents thought they should learn how the other half lived -- which, of course, they didn't, because being a waitress for pin money when you're young & healthy is nothing like doing this work to support your family when you're 55. I liked my parents' viewpoint: if you have to do this sort of work, it won't kill you, but if you don't, why do it? And why check out my new puzzle? Because it's soooooooo fascinating!! | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 203 Registered: 2-2012 |
Wow, that is a loaded spoiler!. Doesn't every teenager have to work? Or are their parents giving them free spending money? Also, I don't know what "pin" money means. Is the point that your parents were making, is to not waste time on blue-collar jobs but rather spend the time studying or bettering yourself? But in the mean time, how did you afford those big macs at mickey dees? Did you already have a professional intern ship while you were in high school? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8052 Registered: 8-2001 |
When I was a teenager, I knew very few teenagers who earned money. This may be partly because I grew up in NYC, which offered few money-making opportunities for teenagers. In a neighborhood of huge apartment buildings, there are no paper routes or lawns to mow. And in the wonderful anonymity and privacy of those huge apartment buildings. your neighbors don't know you well enough to trust you as a babysitter. You barely know which of your neighbors have small children. Pin money is money for small luxuries. My parents weren't prissy enough to expect me to spend all or even most of my time studying & bettering myself. My father was an immigrant & my mother was a second-generation American, & they believed in the pursuit of happiness -- a very likeable belief in parents!! I most certainly did not have a professional internship in high school or in college. Leisure time was for fun. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8053 Registered: 8-2001 |
Oops: I should clarify this. I had friends who had jobs while in college but not in high school, although many of my high school friends had jobs in college. College campuses offered lots of opportunities for earning money, but usually doing things you wouldn't do unless you needed they money A LOT. One exception, though, which I used as a basis for a puzzle several years ago, involved a college friend who took a part time job in a German bakery. The owners were a very nice couple who encouraged herself to help herself to the merchandise as much as she wanted on the job and also gave her pastries to take home every day. She loved the job -- wouldn't you? -- but she had to quit after a few months because she had gained 30 pounds. |
