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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2012 - 5:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Courage failed him.

True story
"Him" = HAM
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Can we call him Tapio?

Is anyone else relevant? If so, how many people? Is the location relevant?
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Can we call him Tapio? Yes

Is anyone else relevant? No If so, how many people? Is the location relevant? Yes
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Is what happened as a result of courage failing him relevant?

"Courage" = bravery, etc? Or something named Courage?
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Is what happened as a result of courage failing him relevant? Yes

"Courage" = bravery, etc? Yes Or something named Courage? No
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Does he Die? suffer injury? become the victim of a crime? incur financial loss? lose his job?
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Does he Die? suffer injury? become the victim of a crime? incur financial loss? lose his job? No to all
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The location: North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? The ocean? Outer space? Inside the Earth?
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The location: North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? The ocean? Outer space? Inside the Earth? Irrel, except that it happened on Earth. I will add that this was in a town or city, and that's all I can remember.
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So did he suffer some disappointment? or is there a literal fail involved like failing an exam?

Is the man's profession relevant? politics? current news events? hobbies/passtimes? sports?
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So did he suffer some disappointment? You could say that or is there a literal fail involved like failing an exam? Not like this

Is the man's profession relevant? DOYD of "profession" politics? current news events? hobbies/passtimes? sports? No to all
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Does this story involve on particular event?
If so, would the outcome have been better if he had not been courageous?
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Does this story involve on particular event? Yes
If so, would the outcome have been better if he had not been courageous? Yes
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Would this be physical courage or more like moral courage? Did other people suffer as a result of Tapio's courage? If so family? friends? the whole town? city ? country?
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Would this be physical courage or more like moral courage? More like amoral courage! Did other people suffer as a result of Tapio's courage? No If so family? friends? the whole town? city ? country?
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Has a crime been committed? By Tapio?
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Has a crime been committed? No, but about as OTRT as you can get. (Tenses, anyone?) By Tapio? Yes
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Had a crime been committed? Will a crime be committed? Is a crime being committed right now (hope not...)?
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Had a crime been committed? Will a crime be committed? Is a crime being committed right now (hope not...)? No to all, but you're still getting there.
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did Tapio fail to commit a crime?
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did Tapio fail to commit a crime? Yes!
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Murder? Robbery? Burglary? Assault? Sexual Crime? fraud? Computer Crime?
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Murder? Robbery? This Burglary? Assault? Sexual Crime? fraud? Computer Crime?
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a stick-up?
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a stick-up? Hmm... don't think you'd call it a stick-up.
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Would the robbery have been considered audacious? Was he trying to steal money? art? jewellery? a vehicle?
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did courage fail him to commit the robbery? or something leading up to the robbery?

like steal a getaway car? break a window? get a gun? other?
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Would the robbery have been considered audacious? Not really Was he trying to steal money? This art? jewellery? a vehicle?

did courage fail him to commit the robbery? Yes or something leading up to the robbery? like steal a getaway car? break a window? get a gun? other? Nothing like this
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would the robbery have been clandestine? as opposed to confronting someone and threatening them? or in between like pickpocketing? or fraud?

would it have involved any physical danger? fear of retribution? or jut plain getting caught?
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would the robbery have been clandestine? No as opposed to confronting someone and threatening them? Closer to this or in between like pickpocketing? or fraud? Neither of these

would it have involved any physical danger? fear of retribution? or jut plain getting caught? Mainly this

HINT: It's a common type of robbery.
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Snatching someone's handbag?

Just want to check if the robbery is from an indvidual or a place of business?
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Snatching someone's handbag? No

Just want to check if the robbery is from an indvidual or a place of business? The latter
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smash and grab? ramraiding?

shoplifting?
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smash and grab? ramraiding? shoplifting? No to all
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Time for the old Sledgehammer methinks.

Does the crime involve removing cash from a till? Is the business a retail outlet of some discription? One that normally accepts cash from it's customers? Is his crime deliberately accepting incorrect change? Does he commit the crime by causing confusion? does he need a distraction? Does he impersonate anyone to carry out this crime? Does he wear special clothing?

Could his crime be better described as a con or swindle?
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Time for the old Sledgehammer methinks.

Does the crime involve removing cash from a till? No Is the business a retail outlet of some description? Not really One that normally accepts cash from it's customers? YESISH Is his crime deliberately accepting incorrect change? No Does he commit the crime by causing confusion? does he need a distraction? FA Does he impersonate anyone to carry out this crime? Does he wear special clothing? No to both

Could his crime be better described as a con or swindle? No
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This is a toughie...

Does he use violence in committing this crime? Or the threat of violence? Does he carry a weapon?

Is there a significant sum of money involved? less than $100 ? $1000 ? $10,000? $100,000? more?
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This is a toughie...

Does he use violence in committing this crime? Or the threat of violence? Yes, but FA Does he carry a weapon? I don't know, but assume Yes, and same FA

Is there a significant sum of money involved? less than $100 ? $1000 ? $10,000? $100,000? more? His robbery would have probably netted thousands

HINT: Remember that Tapio failed to commit the crime, and his attempted robbery was a common type of robbery (especially in detective stories).
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does it concern a will?
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or appropriating an oject or objects worth a great deal of money?

stealing from a church?
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does it concern a will? No or appropriating an oject or objects worth a great deal of money? Yope. He was trying to steal money. stealing from a church? No
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Hmmm I'm struggling

Is this type of robbery still prevalent today?
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Hmmm I'm struggling

Is this type of robbery still prevalent today? Yes

HINT: He was at a place with a lot of money.
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A bank?
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A bank? Yes -- this was a good-old attempted bank robbery.
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Ok, I'll buy it - was the plan to break into the bank? hide and get locked in there overnight? steal the key or an identity and let himself in? was he employed by the bank?

was the plan to rob the bank during banking hours?

was some cash lying around and he lacked the courage to help himself?

was he one of those people engaged to sort out the old banknotes to be sent to be destroyed? I heard about some women employed to do that who stuffed some down their bras...
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Ok, I'll buy it - was the plan to break into the bank? Yope; see below hide and get locked in there overnight? steal the key or an identity and let himself in? was he employed by the bank? No to rest

was the plan to rob the bank during banking hours? Yes

was some cash lying around and he lacked the courage to help himself? No

was he one of those people engaged to sort out the old banknotes to be sent to be destroyed? No I heard about some women employed to do that who stuffed some down their bras... No
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RECAP:

Tapio planned to rob a bank during banking hours. However, in a lateral way, courage foiled this attempt.

HINT: He lacked courage at one point.
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Just to clarify Balin would this have been the sort of bank robbery where the robber points a weapon at a teller and demands cash from the till?

Was there someone else in the bank that caused him to lose his nerve? did he think law enforcement was present?
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Just to clarify Balin would this have been the sort of bank robbery where the robber points a weapon at a teller and demands cash from the till? Yes

Was there someone else in the bank that caused him to lose his nerve? NO (FA) did he think law enforcement was present? No
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did he not even go into the bank?
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did he not even go into the bank? Yes...
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That question was asked in the negative so does your answer mean he didn't go into the bank?

Did he mistake some other premises for a bank? While courage may have failed him was incompetence a factor also?
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was he scared to cross the road to where the bank was?

was there a scary dog outside?
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That question was asked in the negative so does your answer mean he didn't go into the bank? Yes

Did he mistake some other premises for a bank? No While courage may have failed him was incompetence a factor also? Yes

was he scared to cross the road to where the bank was? No

was there a scary dog outside? No
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BIG HINT: The man wanted to go into the bank, but couldn't, and there was no one inside.
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Did something physically prevent him from going into the Bank? Not sure if this has been asked but was the bank open at the time? Apart from Tapio's presence is there anything unusual about the day's trading for the Bank?
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Did something physically prevent him from going into the Bank? Not sure if this has been asked but was the bank open at the time? NO and that's the answer. Apart from Tapio's presence is there anything unusual about the day's trading for the Bank?

**********SPOILER**********

Tapio spent 20 minutes in the bank's parking lot trying to build up the courage to rob said bank. However, by the time he went over to rob it, the bank had closed, foiling his attempt.

Nice work everyone; new puzzle in a bit.
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LOL the solution was so straight forward we danced around it for ages.

Nice work Balin.

Btw did you visit Ireland yet?
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Not yet. I'm going in January.

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