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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 16, 2012 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Working at an amusement park this summer has broken a scrund of mine about roller coasters. I don't know if this is true of all coasters, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is, and it makes perfect sense. What's the scrund?
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Is it about 'coaster construction? Use? Design? Riders? Safety?
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Upside-down coasters any more relevant than most? The physics of roller coasters relevant?
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Is it about 'coaster construction? Use? Yope Design? Riders? Safety? And Yope
Upside-down coasters any more relevant than most? No The physics of roller coasters relevant? No
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Does it have to do with how many cars are running at any one time? what provides the lifting or braking power for the cars? how the cars are fastened to the track?
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Closing of roller coasters for safety reasons relevant? Temporary vs. permanent make a difference? Use of roller coasters in bad weather? Rain? Snow? Thunderstorms? Extreme heat? Extreme cold?

Safety precautions relevant in general? Any specific ones? Safety bar?

Anything to do with the safety of young children? Pregnant women? Elderly? Same question for all of those other groups that are not supposed to go on the coasters?

Did you have this scrund about non-coaster rides at amusement parks, like merry-go-rounds? Could someone theoretically have this scrund about merry-go-rounds? If so, would any reasonably intelligent person have it? Same questions for the train that transports you between attractions at large parks like Disney World? (I'm thinking since it has a track, but doesn't have crazy curves or anything like that, it could be that a really stupid person might be able to have this scrund, but nobody else would)
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Does it have to do with how many cars are running at any one time? what provides the lifting or braking power for the cars? how the cars are fastened to the track? No to all

Closing of roller coasters for safety reasons relevant? Temporary vs. permanent make a difference? Use of roller coasters in bad weather? Rain? Snow? Thunderstorms? Extreme heat? Extreme cold? No to all

Safety precautions relevant in general? Yope; try a different angle Any specific ones? See prev Safety bar? No

Anything to do with the safety of young children? Pregnant women? Elderly? Same question for all of those other groups that are not supposed to go on the coasters? No

Did you have this scrund about non-coaster rides at amusement parks, like merry-go-rounds? No Could someone theoretically have this scrund about merry-go-rounds? No If so, would any reasonably intelligent person have it? Same questions for the train that transports you between attractions at large parks like Disney World? No (I'm thinking since it has a track, but doesn't have crazy curves or anything like that, it could be that a really stupid person might be able to have this scrund, but nobody else would)
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is it about the kind of people who like to ride on them? or how people behave on them?
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is it about the kind of people who like to ride on them? or how people behave on them? No to both
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is it about speed? height? cost? construction? operation? the law? insurance?
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is it about speed? height? cost? construction? operation? This, No to rest the law? insurance?
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Who operates them? How they operate (from an engineering perspective)? How they operate (from a physics perspective)? How they operate (by some other perspective? When they operate?
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is it about gravity?
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Who operates them? Thisish and... How they operate (from an engineering perspective)? How they operate (from a physics perspective)? How they operate (by some other perspective)? ...this When they operate? is it about gravity?

All unanswered are No
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did you think little elves sat inside the mechanism peddling with their feet?
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Manual vs. automatic operation?
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Anything to with safety interlocks?
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did you think little elves sat inside the mechanism peddling with their feet? HA! No.

Manual vs. automatic operation? Not sure what you mean by manual v. automatic, but the actual operation of the ride is relevant.

Anything to with safety interlocks? Possibly (I don't know much about engineering); don't get overly technical, as it may lead astray.
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Did you think that someone actually turns on the chain that lifts the coaster to the top of the first hill (when in fact it is running continuously)? that someone manually applies the brakes at the end of the ride (when in fact the braking mechanism is built into the last stretch of track)?

Did you think that the body restraints on most coasters have to all be locked individually by the operator (whereas, in fact, the riders themselves pulling them down works just as well--the operator just has to check that they are down)?
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Did you think that someone actually turns on the chain that lifts the coaster to the top of the first hill (when in fact it is running continuously)? No that someone manually applies the brakes at the end of the ride (when in fact the braking mechanism is built into the last stretch of track)? No

Did you think that the body restraints on most coasters have to all be locked individually by the operator (whereas, in fact, the riders themselves pulling them down works just as well--the operator just has to check that they are down)? No

All good guesses, but not quite close.
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Money matters relevant?
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Money matters relevant? No
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Does the scrund relate to the controls for the ride?
Any buttons or switches which start or stop the train of cars? Any devices which are in use during the course of the ride?
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Does the scrund relate to the controls for the ride? Yes...
Any buttons or switches which start or stop the train of cars? Yes! Any devices which are in use during the course of the ride?
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Anything to do with holding back on starting the ride until all the cars are full? i.e. they go when they're full not every x number of minutes?
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Did you believe that the ride operator themself does not manually start and stop the ride with a button, whereas in fact they do? Or did you believe that they do, but they don't? Is a button used to start it but not stop it, or vice versa? Are emergency stopping mechanisms relevant?
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Anything to do with holding back on starting the ride until all the cars are full? No i.e. they go when they're full not every x number of minutes?

Did you believe that the ride operator themself does not manually start and stop the ride with a button, whereas in fact they do? No... Or did you believe that they do, but they don't? Yope (see next)... Is a button used to start it YOPE -- FA!! but not stop it, Yes or vice versa? Are emergency stopping mechanisms relevant? No
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Is it not a button, but some other starting mechanism? A lever? Switch? Does the ride operator actually have control over when the ride starts?
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Did you think that the ride couldn't be stopped once started? but in fact, the control has to be held for the entire duration of the ride, or else it stops? (I believe most rides are constructed this way: without the operator maintaining constant pressure on something, and therefore actively deciding to keep them operating, they will stop. I would have assumed that on roller coasters, though, this would not apply once the coaster started down the first hill, since it isn't being powered after that.)
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Is it not a button, but some other starting mechanism? No... A lever? Switch? Does the ride operator actually have control over when the ride starts?

Did you think that the ride couldn't be stopped once started? No but in fact, the control has to be held for the entire duration of the ride, or else it stops? For the one I work on, it has to be held only until the train is out of the station. (I believe most rides are constructed this way: without the operator maintaining constant pressure on something, and therefore actively deciding to keep them operating, they will stop. I would have assumed that on roller coasters, though, this would not apply once the coaster started down the first hill, since it isn't being powered after that.)
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So the operator's control mechanism is relevant?
Is it relevant what time of day the roller coaster is in operation?
Legal liabilities relevant?
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Oh, and does this involve physical characteristics of the riders of this obviously awesome thrill (since you're working there)?
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So the operator's control mechanism is relevant? Yes
Is it relevant what time of day the roller coaster is in operation? No
Legal liabilities relevant? No

Oh, and does this involve physical characteristics of the riders of this obviously awesome thrill (since you're working there)? No
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Does the operator not directly control the starting of the ride, but needs to notify or ask an other person to start the ride?
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Does the operator not directly control the starting of the ride, but needs to notify or ask an other person to start the ride? No

HINT:


Is a button used to start it YOPE -- FA!!
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Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm spoiling this one due to lack of interest. Plus yesterday was my last day working there, so it seems apropos.

**********SPOILER**********

I used to think all roller coasters were started using only one button, but the ones at the park where I worked were started with 2 buttons for safety reasons.

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