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Markobr (Markobr)
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Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They once were famous for a certain quality, while they now are well known for quite the opposite. Why on earth do we call them by the same name? But on second thought - there is something they managed to do then and still do now.
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Are they people? If so, HAM?

Are they animals? Plants? Objects? Tools? Chemicals? Machines? Actions?

Subatomic? Microscopic? Visible to the naked eye?
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Are they people? Once: Noish or Yope. Now: No. If so, HAM? Once: Humanoid, Adult, Female. Now: Nothing of this kind.

Are they animals? Plants? Objects? Now: Yes. Tools? Chemicals? Machines? Now: Kind of. Actions?

Subatomic? Microscopic? Visible to the naked eye? Once: Thisish. Now: This.
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Are they now (or consist basically of) computers? software?
Once: BC era? Roman Empire? later?
Politics relevant? Sports? Military?
They were once humanoid, adult, female, but neither animals, nor plants nor objects .. were they once objects of imagination? concepts? fairy tale characters? goddesses? Did they appear on pictures? in written text?
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Are they now (or consist basically of) computers? software? No.
Once: BC era? Yes. Roman Empire? But no. later?
Politics relevant? Sports? Military? No.
They were once humanoid, adult, female, but neither animals, nor plants nor objects .. were they once objects of imagination? Yes. concepts? There are related concepts, but they aren't concepts. fairy tale characters? {Not really fairy tales, but something similar.} goddesses? No, they didn't rank that high. Did they appear on pictures? Yes. in written text? Yes.
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The "kind of machines" of today (maybe "device" is a better word?) .. are they likely to be found in a public place? in a househould? in an office? in a car? indoors? outdoors? Can they be carried around? do they need electricity?
The quality they used to be famous for once: something good? helpful? pleasant? nice?
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The "kind of machines" of today (maybe "device" is a better word? Yes.) .. are they likely to be found in a public place? Yesish in a househould? No. in an office? No. in a car? There are versions used for cars, but the 'second thought' part doesn't apply so well to them. indoors? No. outdoors? Yes. Can they be carried around? Usually not. There are versions which can be carried around. do they need electricity? Usually yes. There are versions which don't.

The quality they used to be famous for once: something good? The quality itself: Yes. But... helpful? No. pleasant? Yes. But... nice? Maybe. But...
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The humanoids in BC era: were they mythological creatures? Do we seek their proper names? Generic name?
Do the contemporary devices have the same name? If yes, is it the generic name of these devices? A proper name of specific model of these devices?
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The humanoids in BC era: were they mythological creatures? Yes. Do we seek their proper names? Generic name? This.
Do the contemporary devices have the same name? Yes. If yes, is it the generic name of these devices? This. A proper name of specific model of these devices?
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Is Greek mythology relevant? Egyptian? Persian? Indian? Chinese? Other?
Did the quality, being good itself, lead to bad results? If yes, to death?
Were the humanoids half-women and half-animals?
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Is Greek mythology relevant? This. Egyptian? Persian? Indian? Chinese? Other?
Did the quality, being good itself, lead to bad results? Yes. If yes, to death? Yes.
Were the humanoids half-women and half-animals? Yes!
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 2:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sirens? They used to be so attractive that they lured people to them, now they are nasty noises to warn people away?
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 2:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the creatures harpies? Sirens? Is the quality wonderful singing?
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Sirens? Yes! They used to be so attractive that they lured people to them, Yes, and see below. now they are nasty noises Yes. to warn people away? Not necessarily.

Are the creatures harpies? Sirens? This. Is the quality wonderful singing? Yes.

Only the "second thought" remains to be solved now. This should be quick.
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 6:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's see...they're both loud? Piercing? Easily heard at long distances? Cause some certain reactions in people?
Markobr (Markobr)
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Let's see...they're both loud? Piercing? Easily heard at long distances? These may be true but not what I have in mind. Cause some certain reactions in people? Yes.
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Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 11:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No one can manage to resist approaching them?
Markobr (Markobr)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No one can manage to resist approaching them? Well, "no one" would be exaggerated, at least for the modern ones. But...
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 2:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they both keep boats, or ships, or whatever in the same category, away from them?

Ancient ones for obvious reasons, modern ones for a matter of security? (I'm thinking for instance about a siren mounted on a lighthouse)
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Do they make people curious? Do they make people want to know what it is like? Do they provoke people to increase efforts to move away from them?
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Police sirens relevant?
Markobr (Markobr)
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Do they both keep boats, or ships, or whatever in the same category, away from them? No, it's really about approaching the sirens, not keeping away. It's just not everybody approaching the sirens.

Ancient ones for obvious reasons, modern ones for a matter of security? (I'm thinking for instance about a siren mounted on a lighthouse) This application of sirens is not relevant.

Do they make people curious? True, and a good alternative solution to what I have in mind. Do they make people want to know what it is like? Maybe, irrelevant. Do they provoke people to increase efforts to move away from them? No, I'm more interested in the opposite movement.

Police sirens relevant? No, another institution.
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Maybe the mythological sirens would attract sailors? who would then crash into things? whereas sirens now (well, not the sirens per se, but the type of scenes that tend to have sirens) cause some drivers to "rubberneck"? also causing accidents?
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Is the idea that modern sirens attract firemen?
If a fireman hears a siren, he cannot resist to drop immediately everything he is doing and run for the siren? (i.e. for the fire department, as sirens are often mounted on the roof of fire departments)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

lifeboatmen? the sirens attract them and send them out to sea
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Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 2:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe the mythological sirens would attract sailors? who would then crash into things? whereas sirens now (well, not the sirens per se, but the type of scenes that tend to have sirens) cause some drivers to "rubberneck"? also causing accidents? Good idea, but see below.

Is the idea that modern sirens attract firemen? Exactly.
If a fireman hears a siren, he cannot resist to drop immediately everything he is doing and run for the siren? (i.e. for the fire department, as sirens are often mounted on the roof of fire departments) Yes. And he may be going to risk his life, although the chance of survival is, fortunately, considerably better than with the old sirens.

lifeboatmen? the sirens attract them and send them out to sea It would work with them, too.

==SPOILER==

The sirens of Greek mythology were famous for the beauty of their singing while modern sirens are known for making nasty noises. But as the old sirens' songs attracted sailors endangering their lives, some modern sirens, too, are able to attract men - firemen. And the job they will do after being called by the sirens may be dangerous, too. Thanks for everyone for participating - and special thanks to all firemen out there for following the sirens' calls.

The "song" of a modern sirene:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Motorsirene_-_Feuerwehralarm.ogg

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