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Happy Friday puzzle pals. I'm back hosting a puzzle after a sustained bout of puzzlers block.


It seemed strange to many that the man complained about a missing vowel.

Please explain
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The man: HAM?

Was there really a vowel missing? Or did the man just believe a vowel was missing?

Was the relevant vowel (believed to be) missing in a written text? Spoken? Sung? Or did the man just expect a single vowel to be present with no other sounds or letters around?
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If a woman had complained about the same missing vowel under the same circumstances, would it still have seemed strange?
Is it relevant to whom the man complained?
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The man: HAM? I'm always fascinated by this question , I'd understand if I'd said George or John but It would be pretty lousy of me to use the word man if I wasn't talking about a Human Adult Male. Anyway that just tickled me a bit and of course the answer to your question is yes.

Was there really a vowel missing? Yes but be careful Or did the man just believe a vowel was missing? No

Was the relevant vowel (believed to be) missing in a written text? Spoken? Sung? Or did the man just expect a single vowel to be present with no other sounds or letters around? None of these
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If a woman had complained about the same missing vowel under the same circumstances, would it still have seemed strange? Yes
Is it relevant to whom the man complained? Yes
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Did the situation happen outdoors? Indoors? In a public place?
Did the man expect a vowel to be in a certain place? To exist at all?
Would the puzzle still work if there was a consonant missing?
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Was the vowel the only thing missing? Did it seem strange because people thought that he should be complaining about something else? Because the missing vowel was to his advantage?

Is this a vowel in the sense of the English letters aeiou? If so, which was missing, a e i o or u?
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Redwine
Did the situation happen outdoors? Indoors? This In a public place? No but some memebers of the public were there
Did the man expect a vowel to be in a certain place? Yesish but may mislead To exist at all? Yes
Would the puzzle still work if there was a consonant missing? In reality there was a consonant missing also

Enjay

Was the vowel the only thing missing? No see above Did it seem strange because people thought that he should be complaining about something else? Maybe expected him to complain about something else would be closer Because the missing vowel was to his advantage? No

Is this a vowel in the sense of the English letters aeiou? If so, which was missing, a e i o or u? It was an o
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Was an entire word missing? Was one word transformed into another by the omission of the missing letters?

Did people expect him to complain about the missing consonant? About the combination of the two missing letters?
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Different nationalities/languages/alphabets relevant?
Was the disagreement over whether a particular letter was a consonant or a vowel?
Any word games relevant?
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Was the vowel missing from a written word? Are homophones or homonyms relevant?
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Are contractions relevant?
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was the vowel missing from a word which could be seen with the eye? on a computer screen? a notice board? one of those things with holes in where you press in letters with little pegs on? a tickertape?

advertising relevant? rude words relevant? the man's name?
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Enjay

Was an entire word missing? No Was one word transformed into another by the omission of the missing letters? Yes

Did people expect him to complain about the missing consonant? No About the combination of the two missing letters? No

Jondahr

Different nationalities/languages/alphabets relevant? No
Was the disagreement over whether a particular letter was a consonant or a vowel?
Any word games relevant? No to these also

Balin

Was the vowel missing from a written word? No Are homophones or homonyms relevant? Are contractions relevant? no to these

Shez

was the vowel missing from a word which could be seen with the eye? No on a computer screen? a notice board? one of those things with holes in where you press in letters with little pegs on? a tickertape? So no to all of this

advertising relevant? rude words relevant? the man's name? No to all
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In the interest of fairness I should clarify something.

The man was expecting something, what he actually got was not what he was expecting. If you wrote down what the man expected and what he got you would see that the difference was a missing letter O and letter S.

However nobody actually wrote it down or read it as the men actually verbalized the difference if you see what i mean.

Concentrate on the man and you'll be surprised at how quickly you get there.

Hope this helps
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Is the man a real person? fictional?
Is he alive today? A historical figure?
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Is the man's nationality relevant? If so [LTPF list of nationalities]? Is he known for his speaking? In live person (like a speechgiver)? On TV (like a newscaster)?
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The "men" verbalzied the difference? So there's another man?
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Did the man expect to get a physical item? And got another item instead?
Was it a show? Did the man win something?
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Is the man a real person? Yes fictional?
Is he alive today? no A historical figure? no
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Is the man's nationality relevant? Somewhat.. he was from the USA If so [LTPF list of nationalities]? Is he known for his speaking? No In live person (like a speechgiver)? On TV (like a newscaster)? So no to these
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The "men" verbalzied the difference? So there's another man? Sorry Gregory that was a typo. I meant to type 'the man'.
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Did the man expect to get a physical item? Yes And got another item instead? Yes
Was it a show? Did the man win something? No to rest
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Did the man pay for either of the items? Should the expected item be personalized?
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Did the man pay for either of the items? Should the expected item be personalized? No to both
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Just making sure I understand this - the man wanted one thing, but got another, and the name of the thing he got is the same as the name of the thing he wanted except without an o and an s. Is this right?

Did he actually comment on the fact that the o and s were missing?

Is the man well known? Is a famous quote relevant? Is his job relevant? Was he alive within the last ten years? Fifty years? Hundred years?
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Just making sure I understand this - the man wanted one thing, but got another, and the name of the thing he got is the same as the name of the thing he wanted except without an o and an s. Is this right? Yes the thing he wanted would have had the O and S but what he actually got didn't

Did he actually comment on the fact that the o and s were missing? No he merely commented that he didn't get what he wanted but you could interpret that as the missing O and S

Is the man well known? Not especially Is a famous quote relevant? Well a quote is relevant (his in fact) but I wouldn't say it's famous. You may have heard it before but I can't be sure Is his job relevant? Was he alive within the last ten years? No Fifty years? Yes Hundred years? He died in 1995
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Was something pluralized?

"15 minutes of fame" relevant?
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Were the two things totally different? Or just other types of the same generic thing?
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Was something pluralized? Not really although both what he got and what he asked for were in the plural

"15 minutes of fame" relevant? No
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Were the two things totally different? No very similar Or just other types of the same generic thing? Yes
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Were the things food?
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Were the things food? Yes! very well done
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Is it relevant where the food was served? If yes, was it a restaurant? A party? A man's own home?
Did the man complain about the whole meal? About one particular course? About one particular ingredient?
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Is it relevant where the food was served? Very much so If yes, was it a restaurant? A party? A man's own home? But it's none of these
Did the man complain about the whole meal? No About one particular course? About one particular ingredient? It was neither really it was a particular thing that he ordered that he didn't get but I wouldn't describe it as a course in itself or an ingredient. It'd be similar to ordering peas and getting something else instead
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Was the food served in an aircraft? in some other means of transport? outdoors? a hot dog stand?
Was the relevant food item: vegetable? fruit? meat? potato? fish? cheese? bread? pastry? beverage? milk? ice cream?
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Was the food served in an aircraft? No in some other means of transport? outdoors? a hot dog stand? No to all
Was the relevant food item: vegetable? fruit? meat? potato? fish? cheese? bread? pastry? beverage? milk? ice cream? Lol it's none of these
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was it soup? pasta? sauce? pudding? was it raw? served cold?

was he eating in someone else's house? at work? a street concession? a wedding? a hotel?
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was it soup? pasta? This sauce? pudding? was it raw? served cold? Room temperature strangely enough

was he eating in someone else's house? at work? a street concession? a wedding? a hotel? In none of these
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Did he want Spaghetti O's but had to make do with normal spaghetti?
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Did he want Spaghetti O's but had to make do with normal spaghetti? Exactly very well done. Try not to google at this stage and tell me why it was strange that he pointed this out.
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Had he specifically asked for spaghetti Os? Was he somewhere where you order food and pay for it? Was it prepared for him by someone he knew? Was it served to him in some kind of institution, like a hospital or prison? Did he buy it from a shop or supermarket?

Relevant that spaghetti Os are a child's food and not very 'classy'?
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did he think the plural of spaghetti wa spaghettis?

was he in a canteen at work? or a school refectory?
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Enjay

Had he specifically asked for spaghetti Os? Yes Was he somewhere where you order food and pay for it? No Was it prepared for him by someone he knew? Possibly see below Was it served to him in some kind of institution, like a hospital or prison? Yes a prison Did he buy it from a shop or supermarket? So no

Relevant that spaghetti Os are a child's food and not very 'classy'? That may have contributed to the surprise element of his complaint but there's a lot more to it
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Shez

did he think the plural of spaghetti wa spaghettis? No

was he in a canteen at work? or a school refectory? No see above
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Was it his 'last meal' before being executed? So people thought he should have more on his mind than what kind of spaghetti he got?
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Was it his 'last meal' before being executed? So people thought he should have more on his mind than what kind of spaghetti he got? Absolutely and with that we can move onto the ........

***************SPOILER*****************

I have a somewhat unhealthy fascination with last words of famous and infamous people. There are many good websites (wikiquote to name but one) that have pretty good lists of final utterances.

They nearly all include the strange final statement from Thomas Grasso who was executed in Oklahoma in 1995 for the brutal killings of two elderly people.

Grasso's final statement before the lethal injection was "I did not get my SpaghettiOs, I got spaghetti, I want the press to know this". Grasso had included an order for SpaghettiOs (served at room temperature) amongst the numerous courses of his final meal.

It just strikes me a somewhat ludicrous that given the opportunity to make his final statement on this earth he chose to complain about the type of spaghetti he was served. Correct me if I'm wrong but a tin of spaghetti and a tin of spaghetti0s taste exactly the same and it's only the shape that is different.

Grasso's statement seems very childish especially when you consider the nature of his crimes.

Lots of potential lateral puzzles contained in the last words of the great, the good and the not so good.

Well done Enjay and to all who played and apologies for my poor pun in the puzzle title.
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Nice puzzle Peter!

I think the Devil himself is serving him only fettuccine now and forever -- to upset him.
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That's just hilarious. Great puzzle.

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