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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lisana is fluent in American Sign Language & is not a bigot, but she doesn't want to have a Deaf roommate at college. How come?
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Is she at college in the US? If she did have a deaf roommate, would she expect them to understand ASL?

Is the reason she doesn't want a deaf roommate connected to her being fluent in ASL? Does she want to be able to use it without her roommate understanding?

Is lipreading relevant?

Does she want to do something at college that requires her roommate to be able to hear?

Would she be ok with having a blind roommate? A roommate with another disability but who wasn't deaf?

Is what Lisana studies relevant?
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Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 6:02 pm:
Is she at college in the US? irrel If she did have a deaf roommate, would she expect them to understand ASL? ditto: I included this information in order to dispel the suggestion that she was afraid she wouldn't be able to communicate with a Deaf roommate

Is the reason she doesn't want a deaf roommate connected to her being fluent in ASL? noDoes she want to be able to use it without her roommate understanding? no

Is lipreading relevant? no

Does she want to do something at college that requires her roommate to be able to hear? yope

Would she be ok with having a blind roommate? yesA roommate with another disability but who wasn't deaf? yes

Is what Lisana studies relevant? no
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Is it relevant that she is at college, rather than just living with someone but not a student?

Would it matter whether or not the potential roommate had been deaf since birth? Whether or not they could speak?

Relevant whether by roommate you mean someone actually sharing her bedroom, or just someone sharing her apartment/halls of residence?

Would having a deaf roommate prevent her from doing something she wants to do? Cause her to lose out on something? Get her into trouble in some way?

Does she have a relevant plan that she is going to carry out, which involves her roommate? Does she want her roommate to hear something in particular? To report on having heard something?

Are any crimes relevant?
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Does she want her roommate to be able to do something for her? Such as answer the phone when it rings (though they make light up phones for this purpose, so it shouldn't matter)?

Does her wish not to have a deaf roommate have to do with her personal safety? Her possessions? Her convenience? Her comfort?
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On second thought, regarding my last post --
It doesn't really matter if the phone lights up or not, since a deaf roommate wouldn't be able to carry on a verbal conversation on a normal (TTY-free) telephone. So is that it? Does she want her roommate to be able to answer the phone take messages for her? Or is a TTY device somehow relevant?
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 6:28 pm:

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Is it relevant that she is at college, rather than just living with someone but not a student? no

Would it matter whether or not the potential roommate had been deaf since birth? possibly but not necessarily Whether or not they could speak? no

Relevant whether by roommate you mean someone actually sharing her bedroom, or just someone sharing her apartment/halls of residence? it's worse if they share a bedroom, but the reason holds in any case

Would having a deaf roommate prevent her from doing something she wants to do? yes Cause her to lose out on something? yes Get her into trouble in some way? see previous answers

Does she have a relevant plan that she is going to carry out, which involves her roommate? noDoes she want her roommate to hear something in particular? yopeTo report on having heard something? no

Are any crimes relevant? no
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 6:44 pm:

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Does she want her roommate to be able to do something for her? noish Such as answer the phone when it rings (though they make light up phones for this purpose, so it shouldn't matter)? no

Does her wish not to have a deaf roommate have to do with her personal safety? no Her possessions? noHer convenience? see next answer Her comfort? yes
Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 6:56 pm:

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On second thought, regarding my last post --
It doesn't really matter if the phone lights up or not, since a deaf roommate wouldn't be able to carry on a verbal conversation on a normal (TTY-free) telephone. So is that it?no Does she want her roommate to be able to answer the phone take messages for her? noOr is a TTY device somehow relevant? no
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Hmm... I've got two trains of thought here...

Lisana might be fluent understanding ASL, but can she actually sign? i.e. does she have hands and arms that work?

Does Lisana dislike having the lights on all the time? Perhaps she has a preference for listening to music or being on the computer with the lights off to avoid the glare? And having a deaf roommate would force her to have the lights on all the time or else her roommate would be unable to communicate with her or company?

That would suck actually. You're half asleep in bed at 1 AM and your roommate suddenly remembers something she forgot to tell you, jumps up, turns on the light, blinding you, then forces you to pry open your eyes just so she can "say" something. Ouch.
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Hmm... I've got two trains of thought here...

Lisana might be fluent understanding ASL, but can she actually sign? yesi.e. does she have hands and arms that work? yes

Does Lisana dislike having the lights on all the time? noPerhaps she has a preference for listening to music or being on the computer with the lights off to avoid the glare? noAnd having a deaf roommate would force her to have the lights on all the time or else her roommate would be unable to communicate with her or company? no

That would suck actually. You're half asleep in bed at 1 AM and your roommate suddenly remembers something she forgot to tell you, jumps up, turns on the light, blinding you, then forces you to pry open your eyes just so she can "say" something. Ouch Well, if she weren't Deaf, she would wake you up by talking to you. I don't think that's any better. Deaf or hearing, she's a jerk if she awakes you to tell you anything less urgent than that the dorm is on fire.
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Does Lisana enjoy a particular pastime that would be difficult to share with a deaf roommate? For example, many deaf people find most types of TV shows and movies boring, even with closed captioning. Maybe she's a movie buff who wants someone to watch movies with her? Or she wants someone to go dance at clubs with her (which can be difficult, depending on how deep the roommates deafness is)?

What would bother Lisana specifically:
Something a deaf roommate would do that a hearing roommate wouldn't?
Something a deaf roommate wouldn't do that a hearing roommate would?
Something a hearing roommate would do better than a deaf roommate?
Something about using sign language?
Something about written communication?
Something about NOT using spoken communication?
Something about technology related to deafness?
Something Lisana would have to do for a deaf roommate that she wouldn't have to do for a hearing roommate?
Something Lisana would be able to do with a hearing roommate but couldn't do with a deaf roommate?
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Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 6:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does she want her roommate to NOT hear/understand something she does/says/is?
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Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 6:56 pm:
Does she want her roommate to NOT hear/understand something she does/says/is? no
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Did she expect her roommate to do something? something that deaf people usually not are doing?
sports? or other leisure activities relevant?
Does she think that deaf people are making more noise because they do not hear their own noise?
Does she have a deep sleep and usually does not hear the alarm clock? (and would rely on her roommate to wake her up?)
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You missed my questions from August 4th
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Does Lisana enjoy a particular pastime that would be difficult to share with a deaf roommate? irrel For example, many deaf people find most types of TV shows and movies boring, even with closed captioning. Maybe she's a movie buff who wants someone to watch movies with her? no Or she wants someone to go dance at clubs with her (which can be difficult, depending on how deep the roommates deafness is)? no

What would bother Lisana specifically:
Something a deaf roommate would do that a hearing roommate wouldn't? yes
Something a deaf roommate wouldn't do that a hearing roommate would? see above
Something a hearing roommate would do better than a deaf roommate? yes
Something about using sign language? no
Something about written communication? no
Something about NOT using spoken communication? no
Something about technology related to deafness? no
Something Lisana would have to do for a deaf roommate that she wouldn't have to do for a hearing roommate? no
Something Lisana would be able to do with a hearing roommate but couldn't do with a deaf roommate? yesish
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Did she expect her roommate to do something? yope something that deaf people usually not are doing? yes
sports? noor other leisure activities relevant? no
Does she think that deaf people are making more noise because they do not hear their own noise? yes
Does she have a deep sleep and usually does not hear the alarm clock? no (and would rely on her roommate to wake her up?) no

******* SPOILER ********
According to a novel about a Deaf-blind man (Of Such Small Differences, by Joanne Greenberg), Deaf people are noisy precisely because they don't hear noise. So if you're hearing, a Deaf roommate may make it hard for you to study or to sleep through the night. Hard is what this puzzle was not, apparently, but please check out my replacement at the bottom of the page.

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You missed my questions from August 4thRectified (see above), with my most heartfelt apologies

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