| Author | Message | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1107 Registered: 8-2010 |
He put his work on top of his enemies'. He should have known better back then. He = his = his | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1108 Registered: 8-2010 |
He = his = his = he, that is. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3280 Registered: 2-2011 |
written work? homework? artwork? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 313 Registered: 2-2012 |
Is the result of his work a physical object? If so does "on top of" mean that if his work was physically on top of some enemies physical embodiment of the same sort of work? Now, about "back then". is this less than a year? less then a decade? "work" | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1110 Registered: 8-2010 |
written work? homework? artwork? this, but beware FA Is the result of his work a physical object? noish; this should clear up the potential FA If so does "on top of" mean that if his work was physically on top of some enemies physical embodiment of the same sort of work? noish Now, about "back then". is this less than a year? less then a decade? no to both | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1422 Registered: 3-2006 |
Was he a composer? (of music) When he put his work 'on top of' his enemies', did he put his own melody etc on top of their previously-composed harmonies/beats? Or was it a work of literature? Did he base his new work on the text of his enemies? back then = the moment when he put his work on top of his enemies'? Is the exact year relevant? Is it tied to a specific historical event? Is the 'he' someone well-known? Were they his personal enemies? Or were they more ideological enemies? Enemies due to country of origin? Difference in religion? Was it during wartime? Why should he have known better: did he suffer financially as a result? physically? did he die because of it? | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1423 Registered: 3-2006 |
Just noticed the title. Beatles relevant? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1111 Registered: 8-2010 |
Was he a composer? (of music) yes When he put his work 'on top of' his enemies', did he put his own melody etc on top of their previously-composed harmonies/beats? yes Or was it a work of literature? no Did he base his new work on the text of his enemies? so no back then = the moment when he put his work on top of his enemies'? yes Is the exact year relevant? no Is it tied to a specific historical event? no Is the 'he' someone well-known? yope Were they his personal enemies? no Or were they more ideological enemies? yes Enemies due to country of origin? potentially, though not what I had in mind Difference in religion? yes Was it during wartime? no Why should he have known better: did he suffer financially as a result? physically? did he die because of it? no to all Just noticed the title. Beatles relevant? the title is slightly relevant, but the connection is more complicated than that | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1426 Registered: 3-2006 |
Since he should have known better, is it correct to assume that the outcome of his actions were negative? Did they have a negative impact on himself? On his enemies? On humankind in general? On those who shared his religious beliefs? Are the specific religions relevant? Was he a: Christian? Buddhist? Muslim? Jew? Hindu? Sikh? Other? Were his enemies: Christians? Buddhists? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Sikhs? Other? Did his enemies realise that he had 'stolen' their works? Did he intend for them to find out? Was he making some sort of statement by putting his work on top of theirs? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1112 Registered: 8-2010 |
Since he should have known better, is it correct to assume that the outcome of his actions were negative? no Did they have a negative impact on himself? On his enemies? noish, no to others On humankind in general? On those who shared his religious beliefs? Are the specific religions relevant? yes Was he a: Christian? this Buddhist? Muslim? Jew? Hindu? Sikh? Other? Were his enemies: Christians? this Buddhists? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Sikhs? Other? Did his enemies realise that he had 'stolen' their works? no but irrel Did he intend for them to find out? no, slight FA Was he making some sort of statement by putting his work on top of theirs? unknown, irrel | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1430 Registered: 3-2006 |
He: Protestant? Catholic? Anglican? Baptist? Puritan? Lutheran? Quaker? Other type of Christianity that I haven't thought of? Same questions for his enemies. Regarding the work that resulted from this action of his: Did he use it for a specific purpose? Was it religious music? To be played during a certain occasion? When you say 'he should have known better', are you merely referring to the morality of plagiarizing the work of others'? Or is there another specific reason why it was a bad idea? If so, is this reason especially applicable 'back then', as opposed to the present day? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1113 Registered: 8-2010 |
He: Protestant? Catholic? this Anglican? Baptist? Puritan? Lutheran? Quaker? Other type of Christianity that I haven't thought of? Same questions for his enemies. Lutheran Regarding the work that resulted from this action of his: Did he use it for a specific purpose? yes Was it religious music? yes To be played during a certain occasion? yope When you say 'he should have known better', are you merely referring to the morality of plagiarizing the work of others'? no Or is there another specific reason why it was a bad idea? yope, FA If so, is this reason especially applicable 'back then', as opposed to the present day? yes | ||
| Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
New member Username: Jumpingjack Post Number: 1432 Registered: 3-2006 |
Ok, let's try to fix the time period. Did it occur in the 21st century? 20th century? 19th century? 18th century? 17th century? 16th century? Did this happen in Europe? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1114 Registered: 8-2010 |
Ok, let's try to fix the time period. Did it occur in the 21st century? 20th century? 19th century? this 18th century? and this 17th century? 16th century? Did this happen in Europe? yes | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 1006 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did the composer intend to place his music over the other? Did he mean to make a "Catholic" piece out of a "Lutheran" one? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1118 Registered: 8-2010 |
Did the composer intend to place his music over the other? yes Did he mean to make a "Catholic" piece out of a "Lutheran" one? YES!ish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17691 Registered: 4-2010 |
So were the "Lutheran" and "Catholic" notes combined? Or were just the Catholic ones played? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1124 Registered: 8-2010 |
So were the "Lutheran" and "Catholic" notes combined? yesish Or were just the Catholic ones played? noish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17708 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmm... I'm not too familiar with Lutheran/Catholic songs. Did the composer intend for the piece to function as both a Lutheran & Catholic song? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1125 Registered: 8-2010 |
Hmm... I'm not too familiar with Lutheran/Catholic songs. Did the composer intend for the piece to function as both a Lutheran & Catholic song? no; you have a bit of an FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17737 Registered: 4-2010 |
Should we be focusing on religion as the main difference between the songs? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1126 Registered: 8-2010 |
Should we be focusing on religion as the main difference between the songs? yope, FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17746 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the songs religious at all? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1127 Registered: 8-2010 |
Are the songs religious at all? yope, FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17747 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the words of the songs religious? (Do they have words at all?) The actual music? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1128 Registered: 8-2010 |
Are the words of the songs religious? yope (Do they have words at all? yope; this is the FA) The actual music? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17751 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is either of the songs (both?) a chant? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1129 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is either of the songs (both?) a chant? no to both | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 2180 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the song ever played? (instead of merely written). If so, in front of an audience? If played, in a church? In a public square? In a private residence? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1130 Registered: 8-2010 |
Was the song ever played? (instead of merely written). yes to both, but a bit irrel If so, in front of an audience? If played, in a church? irrel, but most likely this In a public square? In a private residence? | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 107 Registered: 9-2008 |
Trying to clear the yope about having words: Does only one of the two have words? Does any of them have vocal parts? Semantically meaningful ones? Is language relevant? Did he replace certain layers of the original piece? Or kept them all and added on top? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3594 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a question of the one putting words to the tune composed by the other? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1132 Registered: 8-2010 |
Trying to clear the yope about having words: Does only one of the two have words? this Does any of them have vocal parts? one of them Semantically meaningful ones? yes Is language relevant? not directly Did he replace certain layers of the original piece? Or kept them all and added on top? this was it a question of the one putting words to the tune composed by the other? not exactly, but this is close to the truth | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4893 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the original tune without words? Did he add only lyrics? Or did he add: instruments? Repetitions? More verses? Did it not turn out as he intended? Did he claim to have done something he had not? Or not to have done something he did? Relevant what use he intended the work for? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3673 Registered: 2-2011 |
were there any words to the original? were they changed? translated? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1137 Registered: 8-2010 |
Was the original tune without words? yes Did he add only lyrics? no Or did he add: instruments? yes for svv of instruments, be wary of misleadingness Repetitions? More verses? Did it not turn out as he intended? no Did he claim to have done something he had not? no Or not to have done something he did? no Relevant what use he intended the work for? yes Shez's questions no longer apply | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4928 Registered: 9-2009 |
SVV instruments: voices? Did he add another melody to be sung? Was it to be sung in churches? On a particular holiday? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4929 Registered: 9-2009 |
SVV instruments: voices? Did he add another melody to be sung? Was it to be sung in churches? On a particular holiday? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1139 Registered: 8-2010 |
SVV instruments: voices? yesish Did he add another melody to be sung? yes, FA Was it to be sung in churches? presumably On a particular holiday? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4947 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was there no melody at all in the original tune? Did he add a melody to be played by an instrument? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1140 Registered: 8-2010 |
Was there no melody at all in the original tune? yope Did he add a melody yes to be played by an instrument? for svv of "instrument" | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5055 Registered: 9-2009 |
SVV instrument: one voice? Singing? Humming? Yelling? "Aaa"-ing? Similar? Whistling? Some other sound made using only the human body? Did he remove anything from the original? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1144 Registered: 8-2010 |
SVV instrument: one voice? yes Singing? this Humming? Yelling? "Aaa"-ing? Similar? Whistling? Some other sound made using only the human body? Did he remove anything from the original? no I think we're due for a ***** RECAP ***** A man living in the 18th or 19th century added a sung, religious melody onto an otherwise instrumental piece. The lyrics used were Catholic in nature, but the original composer was Lutheran. Although no harm ever came of it, I should think he would be less hasty to use a Lutheran's melody, mostly because of the less unified and tolerant mindset of that period (which is obvious enough in my opinion to $poil), but also because of something yet undiscovered. What remains to be figured out is the exact piece in question. I would focus on the lyrics at this point for the most direct means of solution. The title may help you, but it's a stretch; it relates to a common scrund. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5139 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the lyrics about: god? Jesus? some saint? Some holiday? Some event in the bible? Some historical event? Life? Death? Heaven? Hell? Is it well known? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1154 Registered: 8-2010 |
Are the lyrics about: god? Jesus? this some saint? but more this Some holiday? and this to an extent Some event in the bible? and this Some historical event? Life? and this, but you're getting really vague Death? Heaven? Hell? Is it well known? please clarify what is meant by "it" | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18243 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a Christmas song? Easter? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1156 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is it a Christmas song? yope Easter? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5159 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the lyrics about the virgin Mary? The birth of Jesus? the conception of Jesus? are the lyrics well known today? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3362 Registered: 7-2009 |
Some saint = Mary? Joseph? [LTPF list of the 12 disciples]? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1157 Registered: 8-2010 |
Are the lyrics about the virgin Mary? YES The birth of Jesus? this too the conception of Jesus? indirectly are the lyrics well known today? YES Some saint = Mary? this Joseph? [LTPF list of the 12 disciples]? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5173 Registered: 9-2009 |
"Maria durch ein Dornwald ging"? I know the song with its Norwegian text. If not this one: is it an advent song? Was it originally in German? English? If not, was it translated to English? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3372 Registered: 7-2009 |
Ave Maria? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1159 Registered: 8-2010 |
"Maria durch ein Dornwald ging"? I know the song with its Norwegian text. no If not this one: is it an advent song? no Was it originally in German? no English? no If not, was it translated to English? yes | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1160 Registered: 8-2010 |
Ave Maria? YES! Name the composer(s), and you're through. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 506 Registered: 9-2006 |
Charles Gounod? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 1163 Registered: 8-2010 |
Charles Gounod? And the other long puzzle is put to rest. **********SPOILER********** In the 1850s, French Catholic composer Charles Gounod created a setting of the Latin prayer Ave Maria on top of a piano piece by J.S. Bach. Of course, Ave Maria is the prayer most associated with Catholicism in specific—and given that Bach was Lutheran, a sect opposed to many of Catholicism's views (i.e. historical rivals), I found this funny, especially considering how intolerant the Catholic Church has historically been. Thanks to all who participated, and congrats to Noel and Danielvs for the solve! Now, I believe there is a scrund to explain ... |
