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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 9:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...but it cost three people their lives.

For those of you who don't know: this follows the other two puzzles in my Causality series. There are only three relevant people in this puzzle and they all end up dead. Your job is to recreate the scenario.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 10:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Monty Python and the Holy Grail relevant?

Was their death an accident? Murder? Suicide?
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Monty Python and the Holy Grail relevant? Ni... I mean No

Was their death an accident? Murder? Suicide? All accidental
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Title relevant? Was the model of...
An object? A car? A plane a boat?
A person? Supermodel?
A building?
A Traffic area?
[Thinking: They looked at a sticker that said "You are Here" and they thought the emergency exit was closer than they thought it was]

Their accidental deaths were caused by...
User Error?
Driver/Pilot Error?
Poor Safety Features?
Bad Instructions?
Act of God? Freak Weather?
Other Natural Causes?
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Title relevant? Yes Was the model of...
An object? A car? A plane? This a boat?
A person? Supermodel?
A building?
A Traffic area?
[Thinking: They looked at a sticker that said "You are Here" and they thought the emergency exit was closer than they thought it was] No

Their accidental deaths were caused by...
User Error? Yes
Driver/Pilot Error? And Yes
Poor Safety Features?
Bad Instructions?
Act of God? Freak Weather?
Other Natural Causes?
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Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 5:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The owner of a model airplane (directly? indirectly?) caused three deaths?

Did he crash his plane into their dwelling and cause it to catch fire?

Did his plane scare the three people to death? Cause them to move/react in a way that resulted in death? (i.e. jumping out of the way into 20 degree water)

Did the coroner pronounce the three dead from...
Asphyxiation?
Heart attack?
Hypothermia?
Blood loss?
Burns?
Smoke Inhalation?
Puncture of critical organ?
Stroke?
Shock?
Brain damage?
Impact Trauma?
Crushing?
Poison or toxic substance?
Other?
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Would it help to know the respective ages/backgrounds of the Pilot and the three people? I.e. HAM/F, 0-10, 10-20, etc.
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Triple post. Sorry.

Did a piece of the model airplane fall off and hit them from a high altitude? Did the whole airplane fall out of the sky and crash into them?
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The owner of a model airplane (directly? indirectly?) caused three deaths? Yes, borderline direct/indirect

Did he crash his plane into their dwelling and cause it to catch fire? No, FA. Perhaps "Driver/Pilot Error" was not the best term; it is a model plane, after all

Did his plane scare the three people to death? No Cause them to move/react in a way that resulted in death? No (i.e. jumping out of the way into 20 degree water)

Did the coroner pronounce the three dead from...
Asphyxiation? One was this
Heart attack?
Hypothermia?
Blood loss?
Burns? One was this or...
Smoke Inhalation? ...this
Puncture of critical organ?
Stroke?
Shock? One was this
Brain damage?
Impact Trauma?
Crushing?
Poison or toxic substance?
Other?

Would it help to know the respective ages/backgrounds of the Pilot and the three people? FA! I.e. HAM/F, 0-10, 10-20, etc.

Did a piece of the model airplane fall off and hit them from a high altitude? No Did the whole airplane fall out of the sky and crash into them? No
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Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 7:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, are the three people HAM?
Is the "pilot" one of the three people?
Did the model airplane crash?

Asphyxiation - by drowning? choking? strangulation? being smothered with something?

Did something catch fire? someone?

Shock - following a physical injury? Or following something he/she saw/heard/otherwise observed?
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Also, were there any people involved who did not die?
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Posted on Thursday, September 20, 2012 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And here I was thinking it might be something like... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-177139/Teenager-killed-hit-model-plane.html

Cost 3 their lives... 3 animals? 3 Artificial constructs (models, figurines, etc)? 3 Insects? 3 Fish?

Ooo... if Fish... did one die of asphyxiation from being knocked OUT of the water? Maybe the aquarium was broken? Fish pond disrupted?
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Ok, are the three people HAM? HAM or HAF; doesn't really matter. Let's say that all 3 are HAM.
Is the "pilot" one of the three people? Yes
Did the model airplane crash? Eventually

Asphyxiation - by drowning? choking? strangulation? being smothered with something? None of these, really.

Did something catch fire? Yes, and then... someone? Yes

Shock - following a physical injury? Yesish -- simpler Or following something he/she saw/heard/otherwise observed? No

Also, were there any people involved who did not die? No

Cost 3 their lives... 3 animals? 3 Artificial constructs (models, figurines, etc)? 3 Insects? 3 Fish? No, it was the 3 people in the puzzle, so No to rest

Ooo... if Fish... did one die of asphyxiation from being knocked OUT of the water? Maybe the aquarium was broken? Fish pond disrupted?
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Asphyxiation... from the smoke forcing all the oxygen out of the area? From the smoke forcing all the oxygen out of the lungs?

Recap: Human Pilot/Controller and 2 Human Bystanders (Friends?) were out watching the remote control model airplane fly around when suddenly...
The airplane malfunctioned?
The airplane collided with something?
A part broke off?
...and some portion of the airplane crashed into the people? into the structure they were observing from (i.e. control tower)? And the resulting fire? smoke? impact? killed them.
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Asphyxiation... from the smoke forcing all the oxygen out of the area? From the smoke forcing all the oxygen out of the lungs? Neither

Recap: Human Pilot/Controller and 2 Human Bystanders (Friends?) No one involved knew each other were out watching the remote control model airplane fly around No when suddenly...
The airplane malfunctioned? No
The airplane collided with something? Yes, svv of "collide"
A part broke off? No
...and some portion of the airplane crashed into the people? No into the structure Yes they No were observing from (i.e. control tower)? And the resulting fire? smoke? Fire or Smoke but not Impact. You still have an FA impact? killed them.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 8:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it in fact a model airplane in the sense of the remote controlled planes that kids use as toys? or was it a more realistic or larger model (such as a design prototype)? If the latter, was it undergoing some sort of test?

For both: was the plane actually flying (i.e. up in the air, without being suspended by anything or resting on anything)?
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Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If the shock wasn't exactly following a physical injury, what about a physical ailment? Was it shock from a heart attack? Or was it related to another non-injury type ailment, like heat stroke?
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Was it in fact a model airplane in the sense of the remote controlled planes that kids use as toys? This. One FA cleared or was it a more realistic or larger model (such as a design prototype)? If the latter, was it undergoing some sort of test?

For both: was the plane actually flying (i.e. up in the air, without being suspended by anything or resting on anything)? Yes

If the shock wasn't exactly following a physical injury, what about a physical ailment? Was it shock from a heart attack? Or was it related to another non-injury type ailment, like heat stroke? It was a certain type of shock, let me just say that
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Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - 10:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

electrical shock?
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electrical shock? Yes.

You can name the people involved if you like.
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Are you bothered by atypical names? I'd like to call them Windy (the one who died by asphyxiation) , Flame (the one who died by fire/smoke), and Shocky (the one who died from electrical shock), if that's ok. Names like that help me remember who is who in a puzzle.

Which of the three is the "pilot" - Windy? Flame? Shocky?

None of the three knew each other, so is it worthwhile to pursue the reason why they were all together for the incident?
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Are you bothered by atypical names? Not in lateral puzzles I'd like to call them Windy (the one who died by asphyxiation) , Flame (the one who died by fire/smoke), and Shocky (the one who died from electrical shock), if that's ok. Names like that help me remember who is who in a puzzle. Fine by me

Which of the three is the "pilot" - Windy? Flame? This guy Shocky?

None of the three knew each other, so is it worthwhile to pursue the reason why they were all together for the incident? FA

By the way, although gender doesn't matter in this puzzle, let's say Flame & Shocky are HAM, and Windy is HAF.
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Order of events:
Which happened first -- the fire? the electrical shock? the yet-to-be-determined cause of asphyxiation?
Which happened second -- fire? shock? cause of asphyxiation?
Which happened last -- fire? shock? cause of asphyxiation?

Was the source of the electrical shock:
something electronic falling into water? If so, the model?
lightning strike?
Shocky touching both ends of something(s, connecting an electrical circuit?
Electric eel or similar?
A taser?
Other?
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Order of events:
Which happened first -- the fire? the electrical shock? the yet-to-be-determined cause of asphyxiation? This
Which happened second -- fire? shock? This cause of asphyxiation?
Which happened last -- fire? This shock? cause of asphyxiation?

However, all happened in a very short period of time.

Was the source of the electrical shock:
something electronic falling into water? This If so, the model? No
lightning strike?
Shocky touching both ends of something(s, connecting an electrical circuit?
Electric eel or similar?
A taser?
Other?
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Did the events of Windy's death cause (directly or indirectly) Shocky's death? did they cause Flame's death? Did the events of Shocky's death cause (directly or indirectly) Flame's death?

Or were all three deaths independent of one another, in that any of the three would have died regardless of whether anything happened to the other two?
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Did the events of Windy's death cause (directly or indirectly) Shocky's death? did they cause Flame's death? Did the events of Shocky's death cause (directly or indirectly) Flame's death? Windy's indirectly caused the other two

Or were all three deaths independent of one another, in that any of the three would have died regardless of whether anything happened to the other two?
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Ok, let's see if I can recreate the chain of events.

- Flame, a HAM, was flying a remote controlled model airplane.
- The airplane model collided with something (for svv of collide).
- As a result of the collision, Windy (HAF) died of asphyxiation (exactly how is yet to be determined).
- Windy's death from asphyxiation led indirectly to a fire, which killed Flame.
- Windy's death from asphyxiation also led indirectly to something electronic (not the model plane) falling into some water, which caused Shocky (HAM) to die from electrical shock.

All correct so far? Did these events occur in the order given?

Was the electrical item that fell into the water the remote control? Something entirely unrelated to a model airplane?

Were the three people the only ones in the area? Was there a large number of people present? A few other people?

Did these events all take place outside? Were all three victims outside?
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Ok, let's see if I can recreate the chain of events.

- Flame, a HAM, was flying a remote controlled model airplane.
- The airplane model collided with something (for svv of collide).
- As a result of the collision, Windy (HAF) died of asphyxiation (exactly how is yet to be determined).
- Windy's death from asphyxiation led indirectly to a fire, which killed Flame. This came last, after the shock.
- Windy's death from asphyxiation also led indirectly to something electronic (not the model plane) falling into some water, which caused Shocky (HAM) to die from electrical shock. Yes, and I'm going to add some clarification: The event that lead to Windy's death directly led to the other two.

All correct so far? Did these events occur in the order given? See above

Was the electrical item that fell into the water the remote control? No Something entirely unrelated to a model airplane? Yes

Were the three people the only ones in the area? FA Was there a large number of people present? A few other people?

Did these events all take place outside? All but one... Were all three victims outside? No
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Posted on Friday, September 28, 2012 - 5:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did something hit the aeroplane (as opposed to a collision)?

did the plane land? did it just fall out of the sky? did the plane fly into Windy?
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Was Shocky indoors? If so, in a bathtub? In a pool?

Is the FA that the three people were near each other?
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did something hit the aeroplane (as opposed to a collision)? No

did the plane land? Not really... did it just fall out of the sky? No did the plane fly into Windy? No

Was Shocky indoors? No If so, in a bathtub? In a pool?

Is the FA that the three people were near each other? Yep!
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Was Flame indoors? Maybe using the remote control indoors while looking out a window?

Was Windy indoors?
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Was Flame indoors? No Maybe using the remote control indoors while looking out a window?

Was Windy indoors? Yes
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RECAP:

It's only a model... but it cost three people their lives.

"It" is a model airplane, being controlled by Flame. Due to the model airplane coming into some form of contact with something, Flame, Windy, and Shocky were killed. Flame burned to death (or died of smoke inhalation; which one of the two it is is irrel), Shocky died of electric shock, and Windy, the only one indoors, was asphyxiated. All three of the deaths were accidental. The event that lead to Windy's death -- the airplane's contact with the something -- came before Shocky's death, which came before Flame's. All three deaths occurred in a matter of a minute or two, probably less.

HINT: Windy's death could be considered natural causes.
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Did Windy have asthma? Some other lung-related disease?
Relevant what electrical item fell into water, causing Shocky's death?
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If not asthma (good idea, Kyeannpepper!), did she have allergies that caused her throat to swell shut? Did the plane release something she was allergic to?

I had the sudden image of the plane flying into a beehive, stirring up the bees, and Windy having bee allergies. But that doesn't fit with her being indoors. Oh well.
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Did Windy have asthma? No Some other lung-related disease? Yes
Relevant what electrical item fell into water, causing Shocky's death? Yes

If not asthma (good idea, Kyeannpepper!), did she have allergies that caused her throat to swell shut? No Did the plane release something she was allergic to? No

I had the sudden image of the plane flying into a beehive, stirring up the bees, and Windy having bee allergies. But that doesn't fit with her being indoors. Oh well.
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Was Windy on an oxygen tank? Did it become disconnected?
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Did the model airplane clip some power lines? (the overhead, suspended from towers kind)

By clipping the power lines, did it cause a power outage? Which then shut off Windy's... iron lung? Other form of breathing device?

The clipped power lines then fell to the ground and shocked Shocky who was passing by? Fell into a swimming pool where Shocky was swimming? Hit a puddle where Shocky was standing?

The model plane then crashed and set something on fire? Itself? The forest? A man-made structure? And its controller, Flame, was caught in the mess?
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Was Windy on an oxygen tank? Did it become disconnected? See below

**********SPOILER**********

Did the model airplane clip some power lines? (the overhead, suspended from towers kind)

By clipping the power lines, did it cause a power outage? Which then shut off Windy's... iron lung? Other form of breathing device?

The clipped power lines then fell to the ground and shocked Shocky who was passing by? Fell into a swimming pool where Shocky was swimming? Hit a puddle where Shocky was standing?

The model plane then crashed and set something on fire? Itself? The forest? A man-made structure? And its controller, Flame, was caught in the mess?

Wow, nice work! Here's the story:

Flame was flying a model airplane from a perch in a tree in a park. He lost sight of the plane for a moment and the propeller cut a power line.

The power line caused a power outage, which shut off Windy's ventilator, and she died.

The cut line fell into a puddle where Shocky happened to be standing, electrocuting him.

Finally, the cut line caused the plane to catch fire, and the plane crashed into Flame's tree, setting in on fire and killing him.

GREAT solve, Dlcygnet! New puzzle sometime soon.

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