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You can, we can't. Hang on. Please. Soon there will be time for you to rest. Otherwise, the rest would be eternal.
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Casablanca relevant? WW2? Any other war?
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Casablanca relevant? No WW2? No Any other war? No
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Crime relevant? you #1 = you #2? Hang on = wait a little time? Or maybe hanged in a tree? "the rest would be eternal" as in "you will be dead"? Some other meaning? (Maybe, you'll love me forever but you won't have the chance to see me again?)
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Crime relevant? No you #1 = you #2? Yes Hang on = wait a little time? This Or maybe hanged in a tree? No "the rest would be eternal" as in "you will be dead"?This Some other meaning? (Maybe, you'll love me forever but you won't have the chance to see me again?)No
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We - number relevant? If so: more than two, more than 3, more than 10, more than a million?

The man/woman saying the phrase: An actual person? A person from the movies?

Is it from your imagination? From some else's?
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We - number relevant? Not really If so: more than two, more than 3, more than 10, more than a million? Let us say from several tens to a hundred

The man/woman saying the phrase: An actual person? A person from the movies? It could have been said by any of the "we" group, although some of them were more likely to say it than others

Is it from your imagination? From some else's? This - it is from a short story I read (and liked)
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Nationality of the persons - relevant? (the "we")
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Nationality of the persons - relevant? (the "we") Not really
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Was the person referenced in a terminal ill condition? Did he needed a rest? Did he loose too much sleep? Were the other persons (the "we") much more resilient to the conditions he was facing?

Can we call him Martin? If so, is Martin H/A/M?

The "Please" means that the "we" and Martin are friends? Co-workers?
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Was the person referenced in a terminal ill condition? No Did he needed a rest? Eventually, yes Did he loose too much sleep? Eventually, yes Were the other persons (the "we") much more resilient to the conditions he was facing? No

Can we call him Martin? Sure If so, is Martin HYes/ANo/MYes?

The "Please" means that the "we" and Martin are friends? Co-workers? Neither
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So Martin was a teenager? A little child? A toddler?
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So Martin was a teenager? A little child? A toddler? He is nine
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Aham. The persons telling him this - relatives? Did he have a panic attack? Was he watching a football game (or some other game with a large audience?)?
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Aham. The persons telling him this - relatives? NoDid he have a panic attack? Was he watching a football game (or some other game with a large audience?)? Neither
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Did he distract the adults in some way? And the phrase was mostly said as a joke?)

(I am thinking for ex. at a fishing lake, where the kid might have distracted the people fishing)

Is it something more to be found out about Martin (besides what is already established)?
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Did he distract the adults in some way? Um, a difficult question. I think the best answer would be a Yope And the phrase was mostly said as a joke?) But definitely not this, it was serious

(I am thinking for ex. at a fishing lake, where the kid might have distracted the people fishing)

Is it something more to be found out about Martin (besides what is already established)? Yes
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Did Martin misbehave? Were the people speaking responsible for Martin in any way? Did Martin want the speakers to do something?
Was Martin in danger?
Did the situation happen indoors? outdoors?
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Did Martin misbehave? No Were the people speaking responsible for Martin in any way? Yes to yesish Did Martin want the speakers to do something? No
Was Martin in danger? Yes
Did the situation happen indoors? outdoors? This
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Was Martin willing to do something and the speakers wanted him not to do it?
Did Martin's life/health depend on his being calm?
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Was Martin willing to do something and the speakers wanted him not to do it? Noish
Did Martin's life/health depend onYes his being calm? but not this
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Did Martin's life/health depend on Martin's action? Speakers' action?
Could Martin safely move?
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Did Martin's life/health depend on Martin's action? Yes Speakers' action? Yes
Could Martin safely move? Yope, DOYD of "safely move"
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The speaker and Martin were stuck somewhere?
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The speaker and Martin were stuck somewhere? Exactly so
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Is Martin's size relevant? His weight?
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Is Martin's size relevant? His weight? Neither
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Was there some physical property of Marin that was the reason why "he could" and they couldn't? Or was it the nature of the situation he was in? Or some talent/skill of his?
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Was there some physical property of Marin that was the reason why "he could" and they couldn't? No Or was it the nature of the situation he was in? Yes Or some talent/skill of his? Yes

Very good questions!
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Was this talent/skill of Martin's something he had learned to do? Or something he naturally knew how to do? Was it an unusual skill for somebody to know? Unusual for a nine-year-old? Something that called for physical strength? Or mental concentration?
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Was this talent/skill of Martin's something he had learned to do? Yes Or something he naturally knew how to do? No Was it an unusual skill for somebody to know? Yosh to yope; I am pretty sure a lot of LTPFers possess the skill as well; however there is little more to it for you yet to find Unusual for a nine-year-old? Yesish because of his low age, otherwise the same answer as in the previous question applies Something that called for physical strength?No Or mental concentration? Noish
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Does this skill involve any tools/instruments apart from one's own body? Do you use your whole body to do it? Part of it? Hands? Arms? Feet? Legs? Torso? Head? Do you use your voice?
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Does this skill involve any tools/instruments apart from one's own body? Yes Do you use your whole body to do it? Part of it? This Hands? Yes Arms? Yesish Feet? Legs? Torso? Yesish Head? Yes Do you use your voice? I assume no
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Does this skill require computer?
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Does this skill require computer? No
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playing the piano?
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playing the piano? No but OTRT
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Is it a true story?
Was Martin required to play a tune?
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Is it a true story? It is based on a short story I read
Was Martin required to play a tune? YES! Very much OTRT.
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Is it a true story? It is based on a short story I read
Was Martin required to play a tune? YES! Very much OTRT.
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Recap, please?
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is the instrument a wind instrument? string? percussion?

was his playing an accompaniment? was it distracting someone or something and keeping him out of danger?
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Recap, please? Sorry I can't at the moment - just peeping in and must be running again - but I did not overlook your question, maybe later

is the instrument a wind instrument? This; actually, it is a trumpetstring? percussion?

was his playing an accompaniment? Nowas it distracting someone or something No and keeping him out of danger? but yes
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did the sound of the trumpet mask another sound?
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no problem, I understand.
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did the sound of the trumpet mask another sound? No but OTRT
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Noel, here goes your RECAP:

Martin – a nine year old boy - is required to play a tune on his trumpet for some more time, although he is very tired. His life and limb depends on it as well as those of several tens/a hundred of people. He is stuck somewhere outdoors yet he can move relatively safely.
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Is he trumpeting a battlefield signal?
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thanks!

What is important: that HE is playing the trumpet? Or that someone (anyone) is playing the trumpet?

Does he need to be heard by someone nearby? Far away?
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Is he trumpeting a battlefield signal? No

What is important: that HE is playing the trumpet? Given the circumstances, yes Or that someone (anyone) is playing the trumpet? In theory, anyone would do, but again, given the circumstances, only Martin could do it relevantly

Does he need to be heard by someone nearby? Yope; definitely worth exploring Far away? No
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Does he need to be SEEN playing by someone nearby? (rather than heard)? Does he need to be heard by someone who is at a moderate distance (neither near nor far)?
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Does he need to be SEEN playing by someone nearby? (rather than heard)? Does he need to be heard by someone who is at a moderate distance (neither near nor far)? Neither.. perhaps the YOPE for "does he need to be heard by someone nearby" should have rather been a NO, but there is something tricky to it which is worth exploring
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Is there an animal involved? Is his playing keeping a dangerous animal at bay? Having some physical effect on the landscape? Is it acting as some kind of signal?
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are the ones who will be saved inside?
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does he have to be heard by something rather than somebody? an animal? a fantasy animal?

is the playing keeping someone/something asleep?

is it keeping something up in the air?
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Anything from the Bible relevant?
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Is there an animal involved? No Is his playing keeping a dangerous animal at bay? No Having some physical effect on the landscape? Yesish, DOYD of "landscape" Is it acting as some kind of signal? Yesish, worth exploring


are the ones who will be saved inside? DOYD of "inside"

does he have to be heard by something rather than somebody? Yes, with svv of "heard" an animal? a fantasy animal? but neither of these

is the playing keeping someone/something asleep? No

is it keeping something up in the air?No

Anything from the Bible relevant? No
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Is the "something" that needs to "hear" him play alive? is it a machine? is it electronic?
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Is the "something" that needs to "hear" him play alive? Yes is it a machine? Yesish is it electronic? Not quite sure about that; given the story happens in the early 20th century, I'd rathe assume no
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Is it a recording device? Something that detects vibrations?
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Is it a recording device? No Something that detects vibrations?Yesish, and very much OTRT
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Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So it's alive, but not an animal, correct? And not a person? Is it a plant?

hitting a wall on how something can be both alive and yesishly a machine...will be interesting to see where this goes
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So it's alive, but not an animal, correct? Sorry, that's a BLOOPER on my side - I misread your question as "needs him play alive" rather than "is the something alive". So the correct answer should have been "no, the something that needs to "hear" him is not alive".

Sorry again for that
And not a person? Is it a plant?

hitting a wall on how something can be both alive and yesishly a machine...will be interesting to see where this goes
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thanks for the clarification! It was probably a badly worded question

Does the "something" control a trap/cage/barrier? A locking mechanism? A physically dangerous mechanism?
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is the reason Martin is the only one who can play the trumpet: that no one else learned playing the trumpet? no one else learned to play well enough? no one else has physical access to the trumpet? to a certain place where the trumpet must be played? no one else would be able to hold the trumpet? no one else would be able to raise the trumpet to his mouth? no one else would be able to breath into the trumpet with sufficient strength?

If Martin failed, would he and the others all die from the same cause?
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thanks for the clarification! It was probably a badly worded question

Does the "something" control a trap/cage/barrier? A locking mechanism? A physically dangerous mechanism? Neither but OTRT

s the reason Martin is the only one who can play the trumpet: that no one else learned playing the trumpet? no one else learned to play well enough?This is closest, and a little more to it no one else has physical access to the trumpet? to a certain place where the trumpet must be played? no one else would be able to hold the trumpet? no one else would be able to raise the trumpet to his mouth? no one else would be able to breath into the trumpet with sufficient strength?

If Martin failed, would he and the others all die from the same cause? Very likely, assume yes
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Did he have to be able to play a certain rhythm? a particular note?

Did the "something" control a security alarm?
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Did he have to be able to play a certain rhythm? a particular note? This

Did the "something" control a security alarm? Not exactly but very close
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Did it need to be a very high note? Very low? Very loud? Quiet? Was it just a single note?
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If Martin failed, would they die from

Freezing?
Burning?
Poisoning?
Starvation?
Thirst?
Trauma?
Wounds?
Asphyxiation?
Drowning?
Disease?
Electric shock?
Strangulation?

If Martin succeded, would this enable them to save themselves? Cause others to help them?

Are they somewhere in the mountains? On the coast? On sea? Some other body of water? In the woods? Fields? Meadows? In a village? Town? City? Any caves or mines relevant?
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Did it need to be a very high note? Not exactly thisVery low? ditto Very loud? It did have to be loud but this was not the main reason Quiet? Was it just a single note? Possibly - or it might have been several

If Martin failed, would they die from

Freezing? Likely
Burning?
Poisoning?
Starvation?
Thirst?
Trauma?
Wounds?
Asphyxiation?
Drowning? Most likely
Disease?
Electric shock?
Strangulation?

If Martin succeded, would this enable them to save themselves? This Cause others to help them?

Are they somewhere in the mountains? On the coast? On sea? This; no to the rest Some other body of water? In the woods? Fields? Meadows? In a village? Town? City? Any caves or mines relevant?

Very good questions!
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Did it need to be a precise note? Are resonant frequencies relevant? Do they need to break glass? Are they on a ship? Is the ship sinking? Do they need to attract help with the trumpet?
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Did it need to be a precise note? Yes Are resonant frequencies relevant? Possibly - I am afraid I do not understand the principle of these enough to be able to give a clear answer Do they need to break glass? No Are they on a ship?Yes! Is the ship sinking? No Do they need to attract help with the trumpet? Noish, DOYD of help
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Are they on a life boat? Or a full sized boat/ship? Has there been an accident?

Is a lighthouse relevant? A lock-and-dam mechanism?

Is the "something" that has to "hear" the sound on the boat? Or off it?
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Are they on a life boat? No Or a full sized boat/ship? Yes Has there been an accident? Not exactly, but...

Is a lighthouse relevant? A lock-and-dam mechanism? Neither

Is the "something" that has to "hear" the sound on the boat? Or off it? This
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Is the "something" on another ship? Floating in the water? On the ground of the sea? On the shore? Lighthouses relevant? Another kind of maritime signalling? Is there more than one relevant ship?
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Is the "something" on another ship? No Floating in the water? Yes On the ground of the sea?No On the shore?No Lighthouses relevant? Noish to yope Another kind of maritime signalling? Yes! Is there more than one relevant ship? No
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Is the "something" a buoy? Installed on a buoy?

Does the sound of the trumpet switch on certain signals? Which tell the people on the ship where to go? Where NOT to go?

Should there normally be a device on the ship which would make the sound now produced by the trumpet? But in the case of the relevant ship, it is missing? Broken?
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Is the "something" a buoy? Yes! Installed on a buoy? Possibly but let us assume it's just the buoy

Does the sound of the trumpet switch on certain signals? Yes! Which tell the people on the ship where to go? Where NOT to go? Yes

Should there normally be a device on the ship which would make the sound now produced by the trumpet? Yesish But in the case of the relevant ship, it is missing? Yes Broken? No

Now you are almost there. If you resume what happened, I'll gladly spoyle.
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OK, I take it that there is a ship navigating in dangerous waters where signals (lights?) are used (always? at night? when there is fog?) to tell the crew where to go and which areas to avoid. These signals don't work permanently but are triggered by a sound approaching ships make using a certain device (does the device has the purpose of making such sounds? usually used for something else but also making the sound, e.g. an engine?). But this ship doesn't have the needed device, so the signals don't work and they are in danger to be shipwrecked and drown or freeze in the cold waters. Their only hope is Martin, a nine-years-old boy who plays the trumpet well and is able to make a sound which turns on the signals. The journey in the dangerous area takes considerable time and the boy has to play the trumpet again and again to keep the signals on. Eventually he gets tired, but as no one else can play the right sound on the trumpet he has to "hang on" and keep playing in order to save the ship and all the people on it.

Didn't they know they would come to the dangerous area? Expect to reach it under more favorable conditions (e.g. better sight)? Or didn't they know about the need to switch on the signals by a sound?
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This is spot on, and here goes the


************SPOILER********



This story happened sometimes between the world wars.

Martin is a nine-year-old boy who is returning with his mother – a famous Russian singer - from the U.S. to Europe. The journey is long, the boy is bored, and he entertains both himself and the other passengers and crew by playing his trumpet (which he is pretty well good at thanks to his musical genes). The song he likes most is the Moscow izvozchik’s song (an izvozchik is a sort of a horsecart cabbie from the old times). When they get near the Faroe Islands, the weather gets bad and a thick fog falls.To make things even worse, their radio fails; given the strong wind, the fog and the fact there are no lighthouses on the shore and it is getting dark, the ship is at serious risk of colliding with a rock and sinking.
All in a sudden, one of the sailors hears a strange sound. It is the boy on the ship’s bow who is playing his favourite tune on his trumpet. The sailor is about to send him back to his cabin when he perceives two tones from the sea which seem to answer the sound of the boy’s trumpet. He asks the boy to play again; and again, two distant notes are heard from the sea.

The sailor calls the captain and the chief officer, and they make the boy play the tune again and again, and the two notes are resounding either closer or farther. The captain is therefore able to tell the helmsman how to steer the ship safe through the dangerous area near the Faroe Islands. Martin has to play his song until dawn when the fog disperses and the visibility is good enough to navigate the normal way.

It appears that several weeks earlier, the British had introduced new acoustic buoys which respond to a certain sound frequency. British ships were equipped with special whistles but Martin’s ship was not British and therefore did not have any such device. However, Martin’s song happened to contain just the right combination of tones to save the lives of all the passengers, including himself.

Thanks everybody for puzzling, and especially Markobr for not giving up the ship and sailing right through to the correct answer!
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Great puzzle! Thank you, Alhucema.
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Thank you for puzzling.

I am glad you liked it. Actually, I loved the story and I just had to share :-))
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*before going to bed, finds Alhucema's bejeweled ice pick which seems to have been lost in the Archives, and gives it back to Alhucema* this was a lovely puzzle, but I miss woubit puzzles...anyone think we'll have a woubit Christmas puzzle this year? O.o

also, British ships are wonderful. The British and British products are wonderful in general to me and woubit is British so he is wonderful too. (And Enjay-the-Devoner, despite getting cream teas wrong. Ok, now I am rambling so I am DEFINITELY heading off now. Goodnight, everyone.)
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Oh, I hope so...I've never gotten to participate in a woubit Christmas puzzle.
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Only if woubit shows up; he hasn't been around for... I don't remember how long. It would be nice; we never finished the 2011 one and it's been booted from Limbo.

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