| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8498 Registered: 8-2001 |
I teach philosophy and literature, but, like teachers of virtually any subject, I often have reason to mention engineers in my classroom. How come? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1772 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are you referring to engineering students? Working engineers? Do you use them to illustrate a point about philosophy or literature? Is the word 'engineers' itself relevant? Is it part of a well-known phrase? Part of a mnemonic? Are engineers used as an example of something? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17892 Registered: 4-2010 |
Engineers: Mechanical engineers? Train engineers? Do you mention specific engineers? Engineers in general? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2876 Registered: 12-2010 |
Relevant that engineering is often considered more difficult than other subjects? more promising? more prestigious? Are female engineers specifically relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8499 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1772 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 5:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are you referring to engineering students? yesWorking engineers? yesDo you use them to illustrate a point about philosophy or literature? no more than about any other academic field of study Is the word 'engineers' itself relevant? no Is it part of a well-known phrase? no Part of a mnemonic? noAre engineers used as an example of something? yes Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17892 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 5:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Engineers: Mechanical engineers? Train engineers? Do you mention specific engineers? Engineers in general? I mention something specific, which I think would fall under civil engineering | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2877 Registered: 12-2010 |
Nimue, you missed my questions. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8500 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2876 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant that engineering is often considered more difficult than other subjects? nomore promising? no more prestigious? no Are female engineers specifically relevant? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8501 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2877 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 6:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Nimue, you missed my questions. Rectified (see above), with my apologies. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2880 Registered: 12-2010 |
Rectified (see above), with my apologies. Thanks, and no need to apologize. Wikipedia lists the following sub-disciplines of civil engineering. Any of them particularly relevant? Materials Science and engineering Coastal engineering Construction engineering Earthquake engineering Environmental engineering Geophysics Geotechnical engineering Water resources engineering Structural engineering Structural engineering at NanoScale (Nanotechnology) Geodesy Surveying Transportation engineering Municipal or urban engineering Earth Science Atmospheric sciences Forensic engineering Computational Science and Engineering Control engineering Biomechanics | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8502 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2880 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 7:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Rectified (see above), with my apologies. Thanks, and no need to apologize. Wikipedia lists the following sub-disciplines of civil engineering. Any of them particularly relevant? A particular engineering task is relevant & I think it would fall under construction engineering or structural engineering. Materials Science and engineering Coastal engineering Construction engineering Earthquake engineering Environmental engineering Geophysics Geotechnical engineering Water resources engineering Structural engineering Structural engineering at NanoScale (Nanotechnology) Geodesy Surveying Transportation engineering Municipal or urban engineering Earth Science Atmospheric sciences Forensic engineering Computational Science and Engineering Control engineering Biomechanics | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1776 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is a particular structure mentioned? A bridge? Tower? Building? Do you actually use the word "engineers"? Is a simile or metaphor involved? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8503 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1776 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 7:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is a particular structure mentioned? yes A bridge? yes Tower? This could work too, but I think a bridge is best Building? ditto Do you actually use the word "engineers"? Well, 'an engineer'Is a simile or metaphor involved? no, but you're ORT | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2883 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it a hypothetical sentence/question? Such as "Would an engineer ever _____?" | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8505 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2883 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 8:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it a hypothetical sentence/question? yes Such as "Would an engineer ever _____?" It does not have that form. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1778 Registered: 4-2007 |
Does the question involve an engineer building a bridge? Is it a yes/no question? Does it contain the word who? What? When? Why? Where? How? Are you making a point about different people being suited to different tasks? About how different professions view something? Relevant that building a bridge would be a large and difficult undertaking? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8509 Registered: 8-2001 |
njay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1778 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 9:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the question involve an engineer building a bridge? yesIs it a yes/no question? yesDoes it contain the word who?no but you're ORT What? noWhen? no Why? no Where? no How? possibly but not necessarilyAre you making a point about different people being suited to different tasks? noAbout how different professions view something? yopeRelevant that building a bridge would be a large and difficult undertaking? noish | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2884 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does the question actually contain a question word? Is the question used to illustrate something students do? should do? should not do? teachers do? should do? should not do? scientific methods relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8510 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2884 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2012 - 11:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the question actually contain a question word? What's a question word? For example. does the question "Are you sleepy?" contain a question word? Is the question used to illustrate something students do? noshould do? no should not do? yesishteachers do? yes should do? see next answershould not do? yesscientific methods relevant? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2886 Registered: 12-2010 |
By question word, I mean the ones in wh- (who, where etc.) and 'how'. "Are you sleepy?" does not contain a question word. So, according to this definition, does it contain a question word? (Well, probably not since it's a yes/no question, but I'm asking anyway, just to make sure) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1784 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the question asking whether an engineer would do something? Is the answer to the question obvious to everyone in the room? Are you asking the question to make a point? To start up discussion? To set up an analogy to something else? Do you hope that your asking the question will help your students understand something? Encourage them to do something? Make them feel better about something? Do you expect any response to the question? Might a professor of engineering ask the same question in their class? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8511 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2886 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 6:32 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) By question word, I mean the ones in wh- (who, where etc.) and 'how'. "Are you sleepy?" does not contain a question word. It might contain 'how,' but need not. It won't contain any of the others. So, according to this definition, does it contain a question word? (Well, probably not since it's a yes/no question, but I'm asking anyway, just to make sure) Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1784 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2012 - 9:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the question asking whether an engineer would do something? noIs the answer to the question obvious to everyone in the room? yesAre you asking the question to make a point? yesTo start up discussion? noTo set up an analogy to something else? yesishDo you hope that your asking the question will help your students understand something? yesishEncourage them to do something? noish Make them feel better about something? no Do you expect any response to the question?yope Might a professor of engineering ask the same question in their class? unlikely | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 810 Registered: 9-2008 |
Random thoughts about bridges - are any of these relevant? -Must have some method of support. -Must be structually sound. -Requires exact calculations and measurements. -Worthless if only half finished. -May have two starting points-then meet in the middle. -Or have a starting point and a precise ending point. (ack...maybe I need to audit one of your classes to learn about bridges!) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8525 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kaygee (Kaygee) New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 810 Registered: 9-2008 Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 2:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Random thoughts about bridges - are any of these relevant? -Must have some method of support.noish -Must be structually sound. yes -Requires exact calculations and measurements. yes -Worthless if only half finished. no -May have two starting points-then meet in the middle. no -Or have a starting point and a precise ending point. no (ack...maybe I need to audit one of your classes to learn about bridges!) You'd probably hear me make the remark, but you would hardly learn about bridges from someone who knows as little about them as I do. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3554 Registered: 2-2011 |
building metaphorical bridges? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8528 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3554 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 9:10 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) building metaphorical bridges? No--that's very OWT (on the wrong track). | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2909 Registered: 12-2010 |
Relevant that you cannot start building a bridge with the keystone? Is the material relevant? If so, stone? wood? steel? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8529 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2909 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 10:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant that you cannot start building a bridge with the keystone?No. I didn't know that & am not sure what it mean. Is the material relevant? no If so, stone? wood? steel? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2910 Registered: 12-2010 |
If you build an arch bridge, the keystone is the last stone in the middle. You can see it here. Is the question used to illustrate study techniques? writing techniques? grading? exams? research? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8530 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2910 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2012 - 10:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If you build an arch bridge, the keystone is the last stone in the middle. You can see it here. Thsnks!! Is the question used to illustrate study techniques? no writing techniques? no grading? Yes. GOOOOOOOD question exams? see previous answer research? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2912 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does it apply to grading essay exams? true/false exams? multiple choice exams? fill in the blank exams? Do you want to make a point about how a teacher grades? Curved grading relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8532 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2912 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 9:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does it apply to grading essay exams? possibly true/false exams? no multiple choice exams? no fill in the blank exams? no Do you want to make a point about how a teacher grades? yes Curved grading relevant?No, but you're ORT | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3284 Registered: 7-2009 |
Letter grading vs. percentage grading relevant? Does the reference to engineers and bridges have to do with the need for precision? Vs. grading, where an exact numeric grade may be unnecessary? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1797 Registered: 4-2007 |
Relevant that essays and similar are somewhat subjective, having no right or wrong answer? Relevant that students might disagree with a grade you award? Relevant that it is very rare to get 100% or close on an essay? Do you compare some aspect of grading to the actions of an engineer building a bridge? If so, do you point out the similarities? Differences? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8534 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3284 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 5:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Letter grading vs. percentage grading relevant? Does the reference to engineers and bridges have to do with the need for precision? yesishVs. grading, where an exact numeric grade may be unnecessary? no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1797 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 6:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant that essays and similar are somewhat subjective, having no right or wrong answer? no Relevant that students might disagree with a grade you award? yes Relevant that it is very rare to get 100% or close on an essay? no Do you compare some aspect of grading to the actions of an engineer building a bridge? noIf so, do you point out the similarities? Differences? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1727 Registered: 6-2005 |
"Even though your paper might be structurally sound, engineered within grammatical tolerance, and contain many artistic features... if you build a bridge to nowhere, how would it ever get used/applied?" (Reference: Papers with irrelevant topics or writers with a tendency to go off on tangents) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1798 Registered: 4-2007 |
Do you ask the question in an attempt to explain why you gave out a certain grade? To stop students complaining that they think you were unfair? To encourage them to go for better grades? Relevant that a badly made bridge could cause a catastrophe? Relevant that even if a bridge's measurements or construction were only slightly off, it could still collapse? Is it anything related to "if you have to drive across a bridge, wouldn't you want to know that the engineer who built it got an A at college"? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3286 Registered: 7-2009 |
you missed this question above: Letter grading vs. percentage grading relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8535 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1727 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 6:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) "Even though your paper might be structurally sound, engineered within grammatical tolerance, and contain many artistic features... if you build a bridge to nowhere, how would it ever get used/applied?"no (Reference: Papers with irrelevant topics or writers with a tendency to go off on tangents) Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1798 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 6:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do you ask the question in an attempt to explain why you gave out a certain grade? yresishTo stop students complaining that they think you were unfair? yopeTo encourage them to go for better grades? no Relevant that a badly made bridge could cause a catastrophe? YES!!! GOOOOOOD QUESTION!! Relevant that even if a bridge's measurements or construction were only slightly off, it could still collapse? yope Is it anything related to "if you have to drive across a bridge, wouldn't you want to know that the engineer who built it got an A at college"? That's not it, but you're ORT Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3286 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 6:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) you missed this question above: Letter grading vs. percentage grading relevant?no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1800 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are you basically saying that you expect as much from your students' essays as an engineering teacher would from his students' bridges? Are you saying that just because yours is an arts subject doesn't mean that they can turn in sub-standard work? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8537 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1800 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 8:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are you basically saying that you expect as much from your students' essays as an engineering teacher would from his students' bridges? You're VERY, VERY ORT, but I'm answering a SPECIFIC QUESTION about grading. What is it? Are you saying that just because yours is an arts subject doesn't mean that they can turn in sub-standard work? see previous answer | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2919 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it something like "This is only slightly wrong, why didn't I get full marks?"? And you tell them that if the calculations for a bridge are only slightly wrong, the bridge will still collapse? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8540 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2919 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 9:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it something like "This is only slightly wrong, why didn't I get full marks?"? no And you tell them that if the calculations for a bridge are only slightly wrong, the bridge will still collapse? no, but you're ORT | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1805 Registered: 4-2007 |
Would this question be most likely to be asked by the students before they do an essay? While they are writing it? After they have received their grades? Would it be asked by students who do badly? Students who do well? Do they ask you to explain why you gave them that grade? What they could do to get a better one? Whether you can change their grade? Whether you can take some extenuating circumstance into account? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8541 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1805 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 10:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would this question be most likely to be asked by the students before they do an essay? !t could be asked then.While they are writing it? dittoAfter they have received their grades? This is by far the most likely time. Would it be asked by students who do badly? yes Students who do well? noDo they ask you to explain why you gave them that grade? noish What they could do to get a better one? yope Whether you can change their grade? yesish Whether you can take some extenuating circumstance into account?yes or yesish | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3287 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is the question: "do you give partial credit"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8542 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3287 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 11:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the question: "do you give partial credit"?No, but you're ORT HINT: Think about a question poor students often ask or a statement they often make about themselves. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2921 Registered: 12-2010 |
Do the student use some kind of excuse for their bad performance? Such as "I had a bad headache/cold/cough/... that day" or "I had hardly slept the night before the exam"? And they ask you to take that into account? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8543 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2921 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 11:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do the student use some kind of excuse for their bad performance? Such as "I had a bad headache/cold/cough/... that day" or "I had hardly slept the night before the exam"? And they ask you to take that into account? no, but any one of these would work as well as the actual case, so just think of why, if they did, I would ask them a question about engineers & bridges. That should be easy!! | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1806 Registered: 4-2007 |
Something like "if a bridge fell down, would you excuse the engineer because he had a cough when he built it?" | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8547 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1806 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, November 26, 2012 - 7:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Something like "if a bridge fell down, would you excuse the engineer because he had a cough when he built it?" This is close enough fir me to declare a *********** SPOILER *********** When students ask me whether my grading takes effort into account, I give the reply that was used by my mother, who was a high school foreign language teacher: How would you like to drive across a bridge built by an engineer whose teacher's grading took effort into account? While the questions on this puzzle dealt with extenuating circumstances rather than effort, the principle is the same. Please take my new puzzle into account!! |
