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Solo1 (Solo1)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 3:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Professor Windeddle gave Dave a grade he didn't deserve, or so Dave's friends thought. But they never could prove that cheating was going on.

Inspired by Nimue's puzzle, but not related to it. FSEI.
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Is Professor Windeddle really a professor? At a university? Other kind of school? Is Windeddle male? Relevant?

Is Dave a student? Who took a class with Windeddle? A regular class at Professor Windeddle's school? Is Dave male? Relevant?

A grade: In an exam? If so: written? oral? practical? Or rather for a presentation? Or a more general grade for overall performance in a course?

Did Dave's friends think Dave's grade was better than he deserved? Worse? Did they think that cheating was going on? And tried to prove it?

Was there in fact any cheating going on? If so: Did Dave cheat? Windeddle? Someone else?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Love the title.

Did Dave's friends also receive a grade? From Professor Windeddle?
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Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 10:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Professor Windeddle really a professor? YesAt a university?Yes - a fictional one. Other kind of school? Is Windeddle male? YesRelevant? No

Is Dave a student? Who took a class with Windeddle? A regular class at Professor Windeddle's school?Yes to all of these. Is Dave male?Yes Relevant? No

A grade: In an exam? Mostly this. If so: written? oral? practical? Or rather for a presentation? Or a more general grade for overall performance in a course? And this a little bit, maybe. The rest, no.

Did Dave's friends think Dave's grade was better than he deserved?YES Worse? Did they think that cheating was going on?yes And tried to prove it? yes

Was there in fact any cheating going on? Yes If so: Did Dave cheat? Windeddle?Yes to both. Someone else? no
Did Dave's friends also receive a grade? From Professor Windeddle? Yes to both. Might be well to follow this up.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 1:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is there a relationship between Dave and Windeddle?
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is there a relationship between Dave and Windeddle? Only that of professor/student.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 3:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Dave's friends receive a better grade than Dave? A worse grade than Dave? About the same grade as Dave?
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Did Windeddle have a relevant reason to want Dave to do well? Did Dave bribe him? Blackmail him? Did Windeddle feel that Dave doing badly would reflect badly on himself as a teacher? Did he like Dave and want him to do well?

Did Dave take the exam as normal, and then Windeddle marked it unfairly highly? Or did Dave cheat on the exam itself? If so, with Windeddle's help? Did Windeddle let him know beforehand what was in the exam? Give him answers during the exam?

Did the friends take the same exam? If so, was there any difference between the version they took and the version Dave took?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 2:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The story of Harry Potter - relevant?
Solo1 (Solo1)
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Did Dave's friends receive a better grade than Dave? A worse grade than Dave? Yes, quite a bit worse! About the same grade as Dave?
Did Windeddle have a relevant reason to want Dave to do well?Yes Did Dave bribe him? As it turned out, yes, but his buddies were not able to prove it at the time.Blackmail him? Did Windeddle feel that Dave doing badly would reflect badly on himself as a teacher? Did he like Dave and want him to do well? No or n.r. to all.

Did Dave take the exam as normal,DOYD of 'normal'; it was not his usual exam. and then Windeddle marked it unfairly highly?No. Or did Dave cheat on the exam itself? Yope.If so, with Windeddle's help?Yes Did Windeddle let him know beforehand what was in the exam?No, but... Give him answers during the exam? No.

Did the friends take the same exam?Yes. If so, was there any difference between the version they took and the version Dave took? No
The story of Harry Potter - relevant? From my somewhat limited knowledge of HP, no.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Windeddle write the exam? Relevant? Did Dave have input into what appeared in it?
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Did Dave's friends fail the exam?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Did Windeddle write the exam?Yope Relevant? Yope Did Dave have input into what appeared in it? Yes
Did Dave's friends fail the exam? No, but they didn't do near as well as he did. He made an unprecidented (for this instructor) 96; next best grade was an 82.
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Did Dave's friends get the grades they deserved?
Did Windeddle write part of the exam? Proofread it? Choose what to include from amongst certain possibilities? Influence the person who did write it? Alter the exam paper after it was written?

Did Dave tell him beforehand what he wanted the exam to be on? What his strong points were? Did Dave alter the exam paper in some way?
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2012 - 1:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did windeddle grade the test in a way other than subject knowledge?
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2012 - 4:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did windeddle grade the test in a way other than subject knowledge? No, but....

Did Dave's friends get the grades they deserved? Considering that Prof. W. was known as 'the academic equivalent of Admiral Bligh,' yes.

Did Windeddle write part of the exam? Proofread it? Choose what to include from amongst certain possibilities?See below. Influence the person who did write it? Alter the exam paper after it was written? No

Did Dave tell him beforehand what he wanted the exam to be on? Yes! What his strong points were?Yessish Did Dave alter the exam paper in some way? No

**********SPOILER***********
This is based on one of Isaac Asimov's Black Widower stories, "Ph as in Phony."

Dave was of average intelligence, or slightly above, but lazy. His friends were amazed and amused when he decided to go for an advanced degree. Stung, he bet them he would take Windeddle's course, ace it, and get the professor to recommend him for the post-grad course.
His friends were sure he would cheat, and watched him like a hawk in the days before finals, and it seemed that there was no way he could have done so. Years later, one of his classmates told the Widowers of his puzzlement. Their waiter, who was the smartest person in the room, asked a few astute questions, discovering that Prof. W. had given a final exam based on mistakes that various students had made. This was something he had never done before. Dave had bribed the professor into letting him (Dave) provide the questions, and all he had to do was memorize those Q & A's.


Shoot, I didn't think this would be that easy! In any case, if you haven't read any of the Black Widowers books, I recommend you do so ASAP.

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