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Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 6:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Recently, for an entirely unexpected reason, I had to shwaz probably more than I have had to in the entire past year. It used to be common for people to shwaz regularly, but while almost everyone still learn to do so, most people nowadays shwaz almost exclusively in one particular context.

What am I talking about?
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 7:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Correction: In hindsight I probably did shwaz more in the past year, combined, than this recent time. But very certainly I did it this time more than I ever did on any one day in the past year.
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 1:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is shwazing entirely within your control? e.g. like singing? or something you are forced to do, in any sense?
Do you shwaz alone, or does it require more than one person?
Does it require a person at all? Can a cat, for exammple, shwaz?
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 8:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is shwazing entirely within your control?Yes, in the sense of voluntarily done as opposed to just happening e.g. like singing? or something you are forced to do, in any sense?...but in this instance, I had to do it, or else face some negative consequence.
Do you shwaz alone, or does it require more than one person?Alone
Does it require a person at all?Yes Can a cat, for exammple, shwaz?So no
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Does it involve an object? I am thinking, maybe, of taking medicine.
Can't be reading or writing, but is it something you had to learn to do, not something anyone can do without training (like taking medicine).
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Bad example - a cat can take medicine, or can be forced to, at risk of life & limb (yours), but I meant that sort of thing.
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does it involve writing?
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Is the negative consequence peer or family pressure?
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Is the negative consequence peer or family pressure?
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Do you enjoy schwartzing? Do others get pleaseure out of seeing you schwartz?
Biograd (Biograd)
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Does it involve an object?Yes I am thinking, maybe, of taking medicine.But not this.
Can't be reading or writing, but is it something you had to learn to do, not something anyone can do without training (like taking medicine).Well...

does it involve writing?YES!

Is the negative consequence peer or family pressure?Not in this case, and I can't think of many situations it would be.

Do you enjoy schwartzing? Do others get pleaseure out of seeing you schwartz?Neither. I suppose some could get pleasure as a result of me shwazzing, but it would not be from observing the act itself.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

writing with a pen/pencil and paper? a typewriter? computer? phone?

writing a letter?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 2:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

cursive?
Biograd (Biograd)
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cursive?YES, that's it. I thought this may go quick, but not quite that quick haha.

***************SPOILER****************************

I recently took a standardized test, and had to copy a confidentiality statement in cursive. I have no idea why it couldn't be in print, as long as it's your handwriting.

It got me thinking, many people used to write almost everything in cursive, but then with typewriters (and now computers), people only have to hand-write things that don't need the formality of cursive.

Except, that is, for signing one's name. It would seem that (nostalgia aside), this is the only reason for people today to learn to write cursive. Soon, maybe even that will become obsolete, and then nobody could do that part of the test (which I was rusty at myself).
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I remember taking the SATs; you have to sign the confidentiality thing by writing it in cursive. It felt strange.
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You know that in Europe we usually only learn to write in (simplified, non-flourish) cursive, right? Because I used to spend a lot of time on the computer my writing degraded somewhat into print but it's still very much connected.
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 6:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You know that in Europe we usually only learn to write in (simplified, non-flourish) cursive, right?No, I didn't. That's interesting.
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 8:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't follow... What is 'cursive'? Handwriting? Or some specialized form of handwriting, needing highly specialized techniques (to look like old manuscripts, for example)?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cursive is handwriting where the letters are connected to each other. As Vene said, the kind of handwriting we learn and use in most European countries.

We learnt print in the first half of first grade and cursive in the second semester, and I pretty much still write in cursive. In France, kids learn capital print letters in kindergarten, and they start with cursive right away when they start elementary school.
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Lots of school districts in the US have stopped teaching cursive altogether in the last few years. Here in Georgia, it was recently removed from the curriculum statewide (although individual schools are allowed to chose to teach it if they want). I always wonder how those kids are going to at least develop a signature if their parents don't teach them, since schools aren't doing it.
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 8:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting, I found out something new. But how on earth can one handwrite without connecting the letters? Are they writing in capitals?

Maybe I am too old...
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 4:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Practically every American my age writes using print. In fact, after I was taught cursive, I was told by several adults that I was not going to need it after elementary school or so. I can still write cursive, but it takes me a while, so I almost never do.
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I actually find it very difficult to write in print. I teach German as a foreign language to an 8-year-old girl who hasn't mastered cursive yet, and I have a hard time writing in print all the time. I guess it's the other way round in the US.
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Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2012 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rbruma - Printed handwriting doesn't look much different than the font used on this page (except sloppier in most cases!). Except for lowercase a's, which are more like an o with a line on the side.

Personally, I (and a lot of other people in the US my age - 30s) usually end up writing in some hybrid of print and cursive, developed by years of note taking back when everyone didn't just bring a laptop to class. It's more like print than cursive, but with some letters connected because it's faster. I have to concentrate hard to use either strict cursive (usually for formal things, like handwritten thank you notes) or strict printing (for things like forms that need to be really readable).

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