| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17953 Registered: 4-2010 |
It did not take much effort to get the truth out. | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 327 Registered: 5-2012 |
"Truth" in a general sense, or a particular one? as it applies to science? religion? history? politics? something else? Humans involved? other mammals? reptiles? insects? anything else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17955 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Truth" in a general sense, or a particular one? The latter as it applies to science? religion? history? politics? something else? This Humans involved? Yes other mammals? reptiles? insects? anything else? No | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1238 Registered: 5-2009 |
The truth about someone's secret? Something illegal? Embarassing? Does anybody tell a lie? Act in a misleading way? Hide the truth? Or is there rather a misunderstanding? Is there a single person trying to get the truth out? Two? Three? More? Do those trying to get the truth out act on behalf of an organisation? Maybe the police? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3567 Registered: 2-2011 |
is someone interrogating someone? torture involved? tickling? is someone tricked into revealing the truth? the truth about themselves? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17956 Registered: 4-2010 |
The truth about someone's secret? Yope Something illegal? Yes Embarassing? No Does anybody tell a lie? NO Act in a misleading way? No Hide the truth? No Or is there rather a misunderstanding? No Is there a single person trying to get the truth out? Two? Three? More? Exact number irrel... Do those trying to get the truth out act on behalf of an organisation? Maybe the police? Yes is someone interrogating someone? Yes, see above torture involved? No tickling? No is someone tricked into revealing the truth? NO the truth about themselves? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1240 Registered: 5-2009 |
So the police tries to find out the truth about something illegal. Something criminal? Did the police initially know an illegal act was committed? Or did they rather notice something unusual and choose to investigate? The big "NO" about someone telling a lie: Did someone simply tell the truth? And this sounded incredible? Sounded like a lie? Did somebody confess to a crime? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17959 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the police tries to find out the truth about something illegal. Yes Something criminal? Yes Did the police initially know an illegal act was committed? Or did they rather notice something unusual and choose to investigate? Irrel how they found out The big "NO" about someone telling a lie: Did someone simply tell the truth? Yes And this sounded incredible? No Sounded like a lie? No Did somebody confess to a crime? Yes | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1241 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the person who confesses to the crime an adult? Male? Does he confess directly to the police? Who interrogate him? Because of the crime he confesses to? Will he be punished for the crime? Is the crime murder? Manslaughter? Assault? Robbery? Arson? Another violent crime? Theft? Fraud? Blackmail? Drug related? Illicit distillation? Treason? Smuggling? Is there more than one relevant crime? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17960 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person who confesses to the crime an adult? Yes Male? No, so I have fixed the pronouns Does she confess directly to the police? Who interrogate her? Because of the crime she confesses to? Will she be punished for the crime? Yes to all Is the crime murder? This Manslaughter? Assault? Robbery? Arson? Another violent crime? Theft? Fraud? Blackmail? Drug related? Illicit distillation? Treason? Smuggling? Is there more than one relevant crime? Sort of -- there were multiple murders | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1245 Registered: 5-2009 |
Multiple murders - 2? 3? 4? 5? More? Did she commit all relevant murders? Did she kill her husband? Her child or children? Parents? Other relatives? Did she confess of the crime because she thought it was useless to deny it? Because she was proud to have done it? Because she thought she deserved to be punished? Because she was tired of life anyway so she didn't mind to be executed? Because of some consequences her confession would have for others? Because she hoped to be punished only lightly? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17966 Registered: 4-2010 |
Multiple murders - 2? 3? 4? 5? More? Five Did she commit all relevant murders? Yes Did she kill her husband? No Her child or children? No Parents? Yes Other relatives? Yes Did she confess of the crime because she thought it was useless to deny it? Because she was proud to have done it? Because she thought she deserved to be punished? Because she was tired of life anyway so she didn't mind to be executed? Because of some consequences her confession would have for others? Because she hoped to be punished only lightly? No to all | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3571 Registered: 2-2011 |
had she actually committed the murders? was that the truth? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1842 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was there already evidence suggesting she was guilty before she confessed? Did the police know she had done it? If she had not confessed, would she have been found guilty? Did she confess as soon as the police started to question her? Did she confess to all 5 murders? Were the other murders grandparents? Siblings? Uncles? Aunts? Cousins? Did she know that she would be punished if she confessed? Was she mentally normal? Did she think she would gain something from confessing? Relevant how she will be punished? Jail? Execution? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17969 Registered: 4-2010 |
had she actually committed the murders? Yes was that the truth? Yes Was there already evidence suggesting she was guilty before she confessed? Irrel Did the police know she had done it? Irrel If she had not confessed, would she have been found guilty? Irrel Did she confess as soon as the police started to question her? Yes Did she confess to all 5 murders? Yes Were the other murders grandparents? Siblings? Siblings Uncles? Aunts? Cousins? Did she know that she would be punished if she confessed? Yes Was she mentally normal? Assume Yes, but not "normal"-normal. She did commit five murders, after all. But she was sane Did she think she would gain something from confessing? No Relevant how she will be punished? No Jail? Execution? | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 97 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is her age relevant? Under 18? Did she have any other siblings that she didn't murder? Or other close relatives? Was she living with the victims? And nobody else? Is it relevant how long after the fact she confessed? Did she feel better after commiting the murders? Did she expect to? Was she dying to get it off her chest? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2605 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did she make the confession all by herself, or was it revealed through a "medium" (such as a talking object)? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17974 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is her age relevant? No Under 18? Probably not Did she have any other siblings that she didn't murder? Irrel Or other close relatives? Irrel Was she living with the victims? Assume Yes And nobody else? Ditto Is it relevant how long after the fact she confessed? Yope Did she feel better after commiting the murders? Yes Did she expect to? Yes Was she dying to get it off her chest? No Did she make the confession all by herself, Yes or was it revealed through a "medium" (such as a talking object)? | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 99 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is it relevant how she killed them? Why she killed them? When she killed them? Were they all killed at the same time? Were they mistreating her? Depriving her of something? Controlling certain aspects of her life? Does she have a significant other? Did she have to kill all 5 of them to feel better? Was anybody else a suspect? Someone she cared about? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17976 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it relevant how she killed them? Why she killed them? When she killed them? Were they all killed at the same time? Were they mistreating her? Depriving her of something? Controlling certain aspects of her life? Does she have a significant other? Did she have to kill all 5 of them to feel better? Was anybody else a suspect? Someone she cared about? All irrel; focus on the confession | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 102 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did the police contact her when she confessed, or the other way around? Did she confess before or during the actual murders? Soon after? Was it a proud confession? A remorseful one? A scared one? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17981 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the police contact her when she confessed, or the other way around? The latter; the police questioned her and she confessed immediately Did she confess before or during the actual murders? Soon after? After; how soon is not relevant, but assume it was fairly soon Was it a proud confession? A remorseful one? A scared one? I'd say more "matter-of-fact" | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 109 Registered: 9-2008 |
Are we missing a relevant attribute about her such as her job? her hobbies? her physical health? her social circle? Is she famous? If someone else would have asked her instead of the police, would she also confess? Is the information in her confession relevant? Does she answer all possible questions about the case? Or could it just be "I did it"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17983 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are we missing a relevant attribute about her such as her job? her hobbies? her physical health? her social circle? Is she famous? These are irrel If someone else would have asked her instead of the police, would she also confess? Yes -- good question Is the information in her confession relevant? Does she answer all possible questions about the case? Yes -- another good question. Specific information, though, is not relevant Or could it just be "I did it"? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1868 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did she give out any more information in her confession not directly related to confessing? Did she use the confession as a platform to say something? When she committed the murders was she already planning to confess? | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 114 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is she confessing in song? :P and it would be such a pity if the nice song she wrote wouldn't be heard? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17986 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she give out any more information in her confession not directly related to confessing? Irrel Did she use the confession as a platform to say something? No When she committed the murders was she already planning to confess? No, but if anyone had asked, she would have confessed Is she confessing in song? :P and it would be such a pity if the nice song she wrote wouldn't be heard? I like this answer, but No | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 116 Registered: 9-2008 |
If nobody would ever ask, would she take the initiative and confess? eventually? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17989 Registered: 4-2010 |
If nobody would ever ask, would she take the initiative and confess? eventually? Assume No | ||
| Mimino (Mimino)
New member Username: Mimino Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was she unable to lie? | ||
| Vene (Vene)
New member Username: Vene Post Number: 121 Registered: 9-2008 |
Would hiding the truth result in something relevant? Something worse than what she would get by confessing? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17993 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she unable to lie? Very close! Not "unable," but... Would hiding the truth result in something relevant? No Something worse than what she would get by confessing? No | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1877 Registered: 4-2007 |
Had she sworn to tell the truth? Was she a terrible liar? Had she been brought up never to tell lies? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17996 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had she sworn to tell the truth? Was she a terrible liar? Had she been brought up never to tell lies? This one, pretty much. ****SPOILER**** Tom Lehrer, "The Irish Ballad" (hence the "folksong-y" in the title) About a maid I'll sing a song, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, About a maid I'll sing a song Who didn't have her family long. Not only did she do them wrong, She did ev'ryone of them in, them in, She did ev'ryone of them in. One morning in a fit of pique, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, One morning in a fit of pique, She drowned her father in the creek. The water tasted bad for a week, And we had to make do with gin, with gin, We had to make do with gin. Her mother she could never stand, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, Her mother she cold never stand, And so a cyanide soup she planned. The mother died with a spoon in her hand, And her face in a hideous grin, a grin, Her face in a hideous grin. She set her sister's hair on fire, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, She set her sister's hair on fire, And as the smoke and flame rose high'r, Danced around the funeral pyre, Playin' a violin, -olin, Playin' a violin. She weighted her brother down with stones, Rickety-tickety-tin, She weighted her brother down with stones, And sent him off to Davy Jones. All they ever found were some bones, And occasional pieces of skin, of skin, Occasional pieces of skin. One day when she had nothing to do, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, One day when she had nothing to do, She cut her baby brother in two, And served him up as an irish stew, And invited the neighbors in, -bors in, Invited the neighbors in. And when at last the police came by, Sing rickety-tickety-tin, And when at last the police came by, Her little pranks she did not deny, To do so she would have had to lie, And lying, she knew, was a sin, a sin, Lying, she knew, was a sin. My tragic tale, I won't prolong, Rickety-tickety-tin, My tragic tale I won't prolong, And if you do not enjoy the song, You've yourselves to blame if it's too long, You should never have let me begin, begin, You should never have let me begin. I know I'm not the only one who found it hilarious that a woman who'd just committed five murders believed lying was wrong. Nice work Enjay for the solve. Also nice work to Vene, Mimino (welcome back to the forum, both of you), Alhucema, Shez, Markobr, Solitaire, and a partridge in a pear tree. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2607 Registered: 11-2008 |
that was great, i LOVE folksongs, thanks a lot,Balin! | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1251 Registered: 5-2009 |
Interesting song, thank you. Although Tom Lehrer may be more than a "-y" away from folksong. As for the link: "Leider ist dieses Video, das Musik von UMG beinhaltet, in Deutschland nicht verfügbar, da die GEMA die Verlagsrechte hieran nicht eingeräumt hat." I wouldn'd go as far as to murder the people at GEMA for causing this deplorable result, but at least they deserve a good beating. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18021 Registered: 4-2010 |
Markobr: Try this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfaRSeaMZQ |
