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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 12:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It did not take much effort to get the truth out.
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 12:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Truth" in a general sense, or a particular one?
as it applies to science? religion? history? politics? something else?
Humans involved? other mammals? reptiles? insects? anything else?
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Truth" in a general sense, or a particular one? The latter
as it applies to science? religion? history? politics? something else? This
Humans involved? Yes other mammals? reptiles? insects? anything else? No
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The truth about someone's secret? Something illegal? Embarassing? Does anybody tell a lie? Act in a misleading way? Hide the truth? Or is there rather a misunderstanding?

Is there a single person trying to get the truth out? Two? Three? More? Do those trying to get the truth out act on behalf of an organisation? Maybe the police?
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is someone interrogating someone? torture involved? tickling?

is someone tricked into revealing the truth?

the truth about themselves?
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The truth about someone's secret? Yope Something illegal? Yes Embarassing? No Does anybody tell a lie? NO Act in a misleading way? No Hide the truth? No Or is there rather a misunderstanding? No

Is there a single person trying to get the truth out? Two? Three? More? Exact number irrel... Do those trying to get the truth out act on behalf of an organisation? Maybe the police? Yes

is someone interrogating someone? Yes, see above torture involved? No tickling? No

is someone tricked into revealing the truth? NO the truth about themselves?
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So the police tries to find out the truth about something illegal. Something criminal? Did the police initially know an illegal act was committed? Or did they rather notice something unusual and choose to investigate?

The big "NO" about someone telling a lie: Did someone simply tell the truth? And this sounded incredible? Sounded like a lie? Did somebody confess to a crime?
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So the police tries to find out the truth about something illegal. Yes Something criminal? Yes Did the police initially know an illegal act was committed? Or did they rather notice something unusual and choose to investigate? Irrel how they found out

The big "NO" about someone telling a lie: Did someone simply tell the truth? Yes And this sounded incredible? No Sounded like a lie? No Did somebody confess to a crime? Yes
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Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the person who confesses to the crime an adult? Male? Does he confess directly to the police? Who interrogate him? Because of the crime he confesses to? Will he be punished for the crime?

Is the crime murder? Manslaughter? Assault? Robbery? Arson? Another violent crime? Theft? Fraud? Blackmail? Drug related? Illicit distillation? Treason? Smuggling?

Is there more than one relevant crime?
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Is the person who confesses to the crime an adult? Yes Male? No, so I have fixed the pronouns
Does she confess directly to the police? Who interrogate her? Because of the crime she confesses to? Will she be punished for the crime? Yes to all

Is the crime murder? This Manslaughter? Assault? Robbery? Arson? Another violent crime? Theft? Fraud? Blackmail? Drug related? Illicit distillation? Treason? Smuggling?

Is there more than one relevant crime? Sort of -- there were multiple murders
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Multiple murders - 2? 3? 4? 5? More? Did she commit all relevant murders? Did she kill her husband? Her child or children? Parents? Other relatives?

Did she confess of the crime because she thought it was useless to deny it? Because she was proud to have done it? Because she thought she deserved to be punished? Because she was tired of life anyway so she didn't mind to be executed? Because of some consequences her confession would have for others? Because she hoped to be punished only lightly?
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Multiple murders - 2? 3? 4? 5? More? Five Did she commit all relevant murders? Yes Did she kill her husband? No Her child or children? No Parents? Yes Other relatives? Yes

Did she confess of the crime because she thought it was useless to deny it? Because she was proud to have done it? Because she thought she deserved to be punished? Because she was tired of life anyway so she didn't mind to be executed? Because of some consequences her confession would have for others? Because she hoped to be punished only lightly? No to all
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had she actually committed the murders? was that the truth?
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Was there already evidence suggesting she was guilty before she confessed? Did the police know she had done it? If she had not confessed, would she have been found guilty?

Did she confess as soon as the police started to question her? Did she confess to all 5 murders? Were the other murders grandparents? Siblings? Uncles? Aunts? Cousins?

Did she know that she would be punished if she confessed? Was she mentally normal? Did she think she would gain something from confessing? Relevant how she will be punished? Jail? Execution?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 04, 2012 - 3:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had she actually committed the murders? Yes was that the truth? Yes

Was there already evidence suggesting she was guilty before she confessed? Irrel Did the police know she had done it? Irrel If she had not confessed, would she have been found guilty? Irrel

Did she confess as soon as the police started to question her? Yes Did she confess to all 5 murders? Yes Were the other murders grandparents? Siblings? Siblings Uncles? Aunts? Cousins?

Did she know that she would be punished if she confessed? Yes Was she mentally normal? Assume Yes, but not "normal"-normal. She did commit five murders, after all. But she was sane Did she think she would gain something from confessing? No Relevant how she will be punished? No Jail? Execution?
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Is her age relevant? Under 18?
Did she have any other siblings that she didn't murder? Or other close relatives?
Was she living with the victims? And nobody else?

Is it relevant how long after the fact she confessed? Did she feel better after commiting the murders? Did she expect to?
Was she dying to get it off her chest?
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Did she make the confession all by herself, or was it revealed through a "medium" (such as a talking object)?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, December 08, 2012 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is her age relevant? No Under 18? Probably not
Did she have any other siblings that she didn't murder? Irrel Or other close relatives? Irrel
Was she living with the victims? Assume Yes And nobody else? Ditto

Is it relevant how long after the fact she confessed? Yope Did she feel better after commiting the murders? Yes Did she expect to? Yes
Was she dying to get it off her chest? No

Did she make the confession all by herself, Yes or was it revealed through a "medium" (such as a talking object)?
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Is it relevant how she killed them? Why she killed them? When she killed them? Were they all killed at the same time? Were they mistreating her? Depriving her of something? Controlling certain aspects of her life?

Does she have a significant other?

Did she have to kill all 5 of them to feel better?

Was anybody else a suspect? Someone she cared about?
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Is it relevant how she killed them? Why she killed them? When she killed them? Were they all killed at the same time? Were they mistreating her? Depriving her of something? Controlling certain aspects of her life? Does she have a significant other? Did she have to kill all 5 of them to feel better? Was anybody else a suspect? Someone she cared about? All irrel; focus on the confession
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Did the police contact her when she confessed, or the other way around?

Did she confess before or during the actual murders? Soon after?

Was it a proud confession? A remorseful one? A scared one?
Balin (Balin)
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Did the police contact her when she confessed, or the other way around? The latter; the police questioned her and she confessed immediately

Did she confess before or during the actual murders? Soon after? After; how soon is not relevant, but assume it was fairly soon

Was it a proud confession? A remorseful one? A scared one? I'd say more "matter-of-fact"
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Are we missing a relevant attribute about her such as her job? her hobbies? her physical health? her social circle? Is she famous?

If someone else would have asked her instead of the police, would she also confess?

Is the information in her confession relevant? Does she answer all possible questions about the case? Or could it just be "I did it"?
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Are we missing a relevant attribute about her such as her job? her hobbies? her physical health? her social circle? Is she famous? These are irrel

If someone else would have asked her instead of the police, would she also confess? Yes -- good question

Is the information in her confession relevant? Does she answer all possible questions about the case? Yes -- another good question. Specific information, though, is not relevant Or could it just be "I did it"?
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Did she give out any more information in her confession not directly related to confessing? Did she use the confession as a platform to say something?

When she committed the murders was she already planning to confess?
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Is she confessing in song? :P and it would be such a pity if the nice song she wrote wouldn't be heard?
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Did she give out any more information in her confession not directly related to confessing? Irrel Did she use the confession as a platform to say something? No

When she committed the murders was she already planning to confess? No, but if anyone had asked, she would have confessed

Is she confessing in song? :P and it would be such a pity if the nice song she wrote wouldn't be heard? I like this answer, but No
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If nobody would ever ask, would she take the initiative and confess? eventually?
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If nobody would ever ask, would she take the initiative and confess? eventually? Assume No
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Was she unable to lie?
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Would hiding the truth result in something relevant? Something worse than what she would get by confessing?
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Was she unable to lie? Very close! Not "unable," but...

Would hiding the truth result in something relevant? No Something worse than what she would get by confessing? No
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Had she sworn to tell the truth? Was she a terrible liar? Had she been brought up never to tell lies?
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Had she sworn to tell the truth? Was she a terrible liar? Had she been brought up never to tell lies? This one, pretty much.

****SPOILER****

Tom Lehrer, "The Irish Ballad" (hence the "folksong-y" in the title)

About a maid I'll sing a song,
Sing rickety-tickety-tin,
About a maid I'll sing a song
Who didn't have her family long.
Not only did she do them wrong,
She did ev'ryone of them in, them in,
She did ev'ryone of them in.

One morning in a fit of pique,
Sing rickety-tickety-tin,
One morning in a fit of pique,
She drowned her father in the creek.
The water tasted bad for a week,
And we had to make do with gin, with gin,
We had to make do with gin.

Her mother she could never stand,
Sing rickety-tickety-tin,
Her mother she cold never stand,
And so a cyanide soup she planned.
The mother died with a spoon in her hand,
And her face in a hideous grin, a grin,
Her face in a hideous grin.

She set her sister's hair on fire,
Sing rickety-tickety-tin,
She set her sister's hair on fire,
And as the smoke and flame rose high'r,
Danced around the funeral pyre,
Playin' a violin, -olin,
Playin' a violin.

She weighted her brother down with stones,
Rickety-tickety-tin,
She weighted her brother down with stones,
And sent him off to Davy Jones.
All they ever found were some bones,
And occasional pieces of skin, of skin,
Occasional pieces of skin.

One day when she had nothing to do,
Sing rickety-tickety-tin,
One day when she had nothing to do,
She cut her baby brother in two,
And served him up as an irish stew,
And invited the neighbors in, -bors in,
Invited the neighbors in.

And when at last the police came by,
Sing rickety-tickety-tin,
And when at last the police came by,
Her little pranks she did not deny,
To do so she would have had to lie,
And lying, she knew, was a sin, a sin,
Lying, she knew, was a sin.

My tragic tale, I won't prolong,
Rickety-tickety-tin,
My tragic tale I won't prolong,
And if you do not enjoy the song,
You've yourselves to blame if it's too long,
You should never have let me begin, begin,
You should never have let me begin.


I know I'm not the only one who found it hilarious that a woman who'd just committed five murders believed lying was wrong.

Nice work Enjay for the solve. Also nice work to Vene, Mimino (welcome back to the forum, both of you), Alhucema, Shez, Markobr, Solitaire, and a partridge in a pear tree.
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that was great, i LOVE folksongs, thanks a lot,Balin!
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 4:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting song, thank you. Although Tom Lehrer may be more than a "-y" away from folksong.

As for the link:

"Leider ist dieses Video, das Musik von UMG beinhaltet, in Deutschland nicht verfügbar, da die GEMA die Verlagsrechte hieran nicht eingeräumt hat."

I wouldn'd go as far as to murder the people at GEMA for causing this deplorable result, but at least they deserve a good beating.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Markobr: Try this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfaRSeaMZQ

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