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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 5:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did Nick and Jacob (both H/A/M) buy new backpacks?

The title is not relevant to the puzzle. It's just that this is my third puzzle today :D
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 5:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they intend to use the backpacks? For their usual purpose (holding stuff)? For school? Hiking? Did they use them for the same purpose?
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Job relevant? Hobby Relevant? Camping? Christmas relevant? Gift exchange relevant? School relevant? Are Nick and Jacob friends? Brothers? Acquaintances? Complete strangers?
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would this work with suitcases? bags? briefcases?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they intend to use the backpacks? yes For their usual purpose (holding stuff)? yes For school? assume this Hiking? no Did they use them for the same purpose? yes

Job relevant? Hobby Relevant? Camping? Christmas relevant? Gift exchange relevant? School relevant? no to all Are Nick and Jacob friends? this Brothers? Acquaintances? Complete strangers?

Would this work with suitcases? no bags? maybe briefcases? probably not
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they already have backpacks? Did they break? So they needed to buy new ones?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 7:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they already have backpacks? yes Did they break? no So they needed to buy new ones? no
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they buy matching backpacks? Did each know that the other was buying a new backpack? Relevant how old they are? Where they live? Their jobs?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 7:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they buy matching backpacks? irrel Did each know that the other was buying a new backpack? yes. Assume they did it together Relevant how old they are? let's say 20 Where they live? yes Their jobs? no, assume students
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What about where they live is relevant - the country? Region? Town? Do they live in an urban area? Rural? In a big city? Town? Small village?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 8:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What about where they live is relevant - the country? Region? Town? this. Telling you the exact town wouldn't help much, but it's relevant that they live in that specific town Do they live in an urban area? this Rural? In a big city? relatively big, yes Town? Small village?
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Is the town in Europe? America? Asia? Africa? Oceania?

Does their town have a relevant law? Tradition?

Did something happen that meant they couldn't use their old backpacks? Did they continue to use the old ones after buying the new ones? Did they need two each for some reason?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 8:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the town in Europe? this America? Asia? Africa? Oceania?

Does their town have a relevant law? Tradition? no to both

Did something happen that meant they couldn't use their old backpacks? yes Did they continue to use the old ones after buying the new ones? no Did they need two each for some reason? no
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Is it in Germany?
Did their old backpacks get damaged? Did they lose possession of them? Did they use them to carry something relevant? Did they use them for anything other than the normal use of a backpack? Are any crimes relevant?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it in Germany? yes, but irrel
Did their old backpacks get damaged? Did they lose possession of them? Did they use them to carry something relevant? Did they use them for anything other than the normal use of a backpack? no to all of these
Are any crimes relevant? yes!
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Did Nick and Jacob commit a crime? If so, before buying the new backpacks? Did they dispose of the old backpacks? Were they evidence for a crime?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Nick and Jacob commit a crime? yes If so, before buying the new backpacks? yes, long before Did they dispose of the old backpacks? yes Were they evidence for a crime? no
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the old backpacks involved in the crime?

Was the crime theft? Murder? Assault? Driving related? Drugs related? Drink related? Fraud? Forgery?

Did they get caught? Punished?

Was the buying of the new backpacks simply because they had disposed of the old ones so needed new ones? Or was there a specific reason why they needed backpacks? Are they likely to buy more backpacks in the future?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the old backpacks involved in the crime? no

Was the crime theft? Murder? Assault? Driving related? Drugs related? Drink related? Fraud? Forgery? no to all. They planted a fake bomb at a train station

Did they get caught? Punished? no to both, which is relevant

Was the buying of the new backpacks simply because they had disposed of the old ones so needed new ones? no Or was there a specific reason why they needed backpacks? yesish Are they likely to buy more backpacks in the future? no
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOOOOPER
Did they get caught? Punished?
The answer should be "YES to both, which is relevant"
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the fake bomb in the form of a rucksack? Did they do it to scare people? To get people to do something? As a prank? To prove a point?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Was the fake bomb in the form of a rucksack? no Did they do it to scare people? To get people to do something? As a prank? this To prove a point?
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Were they caught the first time they pulled this prank? Were they planning on pulling the prank a 2nd time? A 3rd? More? Was the penalty not very harsh?

When they plant the fake backpack bomb, do they leave one backpack? Two? One each on two different trains? If just one... is it key that the 2nd backpack they own looks identical to the 1st backpack?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, December 10, 2012 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they caught the first time they pulled this prank? yes Were they planning on pulling the prank a 2nd time? A 3rd? More? no to all Was the penalty not very harsh? yes, it was not very harsh

When they plant the fake backpack bomb,FA, no backpack involved, see above do they leave one backpack? Two? One each on two different trains? If just one... is it key that the 2nd backpack they own looks identical to the 1st backpack?
Can't answer because of the FA
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 9:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had the first backpacks been confiscated when they were caught?

were those backpacks involved somehow in their punishment?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had the first backpacks been confiscated when they were caught? no

were those backpacks involved somehow in their punishment? no
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they carrying their fake bomb in the backpack(s)? Relevant? Did their attempted prank involve using the backpacks in such a way as to render them unserviceable?

Did their penalty involve using the backpacks in such a way as to render them unserviceable?

(Or really really smelly?)
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they carrying their fake bomb in the backpack(s)? no Relevant? no Did their attempted prank involve using the backpacks in such a way as to render them unserviceable? no

Did their penalty involve using the backpacks in such a way as to render them unserviceable? no

(Or really really smelly?) no

You guys might have an FA concerning the order of events. There's the prank, they get caught and punished. Several years pass, they buy new backpacks and get rid of the old ones.
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The "several years" that pass... are these two in prison? Juvenile hall? Some sort of situation where they don't have access to the old backpacks? Or didn't have the opportunity to replace them before "now"?
Doriana (Doriana)
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The "several years" that pass... are these two in prison? no Juvenile hall? no Some sort of situation where they don't have access to the old backpacks? no Or didn't have the opportunity to replace them before "now"? no
Actually, it's irrelevant if they had the same backpacks back then or if they've already replaced them once in between.
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 7:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they need backpacks that look "new"?
Did they try to make a point? to prove something?
Was the idea that a new backpack would not look suspicious while an old backpack would?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they need backpacks that look "new"? no
Did they try to make a point? to prove something? no to both
Was the idea that a new backpack would not look suspicious while an old backpack would? no, but looking suspicious is relevant
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Would not buying the new backpacks result in some negative consequences? related to the prank from years ago? Were they punished only lightly at the time because all the facts did not come to light? Were they trying to avoid their crime coming back to haunt them? Were they planning a new kind of prank?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Would not buying the new backpacks result in some negative consequences? probably not, but they thought it would related to the prank from years ago? yesish Were they punished only lightly at the time because all the facts did not come to light? no, they were punished only lightly because they were still teenagers Were they trying to avoid their crime coming back to haunt them? no Were they planning a new kind of prank? no
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 10:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were Nick and Jack planning on taking a train trip together? Vacation? To go to school? University?
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Were Nick and Jack planning on taking a train trip together? Vacation? To go to school? University? irrel to all
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Were the old backpacks considered as identifiers of those who pulled the prank? By a public? By Nick and Jacob? So that they no longer wanted to be identified, or presumed by themselves being identified by a public?
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Were the old backpacks considered as identifiers YES! of those who pulled the prank? but not this By a public? possibly By Nick and Jacob? yes So that they no longer wanted to be identified, or presumed by themselves being identified by a public? yesish
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You earlier stated that this would have worked with backpacks, maybe with bags, probably not with briefcases, and not with suitcases. Is that because of the size? The shape? Softness/hardness? The color? Whether the items had straps or not? Handles or not? Whether the carrying function was adjustable or not?

Was the choice of carrying item because of the environment where the prank occurred? Something else occurred? Did they fit in with other people when carrying backpacks, but not suitcases, for instance?

Had the backpacks any practical function in pulling the prank (you have earlier stated that the backpacks were not used for carrying the fake bombs)? Any diverting function?
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Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 3:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You earlier stated that this would have worked with backpacks, maybe with bags, probably not with briefcases, and not with suitcases. Is that because of the size? The shape? Softness/hardness? The color? Whether the items had straps or not? Handles or not? Whether the carrying function was adjustable or not? no to all. The important thing is that it has to be a usual item a young man would carry around all day long, every day

Was the choice of carrying item because of the environment where the prank occurred? Something else occurred? Did they fit in with other people when carrying backpacks, but not suitcases, for instance? no to all

Had the backpacks any practical function in pulling the prank (you have earlier stated that the backpacks were not used for carrying the fake bombs)? Any diverting function? no to all

Here's a RECAP to help everyone get OTRT again.

Nick and Jacob are two young men. Some years ago, they pulled a prank - they planted a fake bomb at a train station. They were caught, but only received a mild punishment, mainly because they were still teenagers.

Now, they decided to buy new backpacks and to get rid of the old ones. They do so because the backpacls are considered identifiers, but not of those who pulled the prank.

There's one essential part missing, and then this should be solved.
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Did the original backpacks belong to them? Do they fear that they will be mistaken for someone else because of the backpacks?

Is the appearance of the backpacks relevant? Their colour? Shape? Pattern? Is something written or drawn on them?

Did they get the original backpacks before the prank? After? Relevant how they obtained them?
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Did the original backpacks belong to them? yes Do they fear that they will be mistaken for someone else because of the backpacks? yes

Is the appearance of the backpacks relevant? yes Their colour? yes Shape? Pattern? Is something written or drawn on them? no to rest

Did they get the original backpacks before the prank? After? irrel Relevant how they obtained them? no
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Are they red? Orange? Yellow? Green? Blue? Purple? White? Black? Grey? Brown?

Are backpacks of that colour associated with a particular group? A particular person? A stigma?
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Did a REAL bomber use that particular backpack style to plant a bomb in their area? In their state?

Were officials conducting "routine" checks of backpacks of that type since they're on heightened alert? Had the images of this backpack type been all over the news? Were innocent people being taken in for questioning simply because they possessed that type of backpack? (i.e. Kids who wear trench coats were getting picked on after Columbine.)

As a condition of their lenient punishment, were Nick and Jacob told that if they were so much as suspected of being complicit in another such prank or actual bombing, their previous prank would go on their permanent record?
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Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2012 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they red? this Orange? Yellow? Green? Blue? Purple? White? Black? Grey? Brown?

Are backpacks of that colour associated with a particular group? A particular person? this A stigma?

Did a REAL bomber use that particular backpack style to plant a bomb in their area? YES In their state?

Were officials conducting "routine" checks of backpacks of that type since they're on heightened alert? possibly Had the images of this backpack type been all over the news? yes Were innocent people being taken in for questioning simply because they possessed that type of backpack? possibly (i.e. Kids who wear trench coats were getting picked on after Columbine.)

As a condition of their lenient punishment, were Nick and Jacob told that if they were so much as suspected of being complicit in another such prank or actual bombing, their previous prank would go on their permanent record? no

Nice work, time for the

********SPOILER********
In Nick's and Jacob's city, someone planted a bomb at the main station. The first suspect description was "a tall man with a red backpack", and since this was the only hint, the police were looking for tall men with red backpacks all around the city.

Our two friends are both tall and have red backpacks. They're known to the police for having pulled a prank involving a fake bomb years ago. Now they think it's better to get rid of the backpacks in order not to look "suspicious" to the police.

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