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Solo1 (Solo1)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2013 - 10:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones were political rivals. Mr. Smith made a campaign speech in which he said some things about Mr. Jones that were true, and did not indicate that Jones was a bad person. In fact, some of them were flattering. Nevertheless, it was considered dirty politics. Smith won the election, but this would come back to haunt him.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it information irrelevant to politics? Personal information? Information about: family? Relatives? Relations? Past actions? Opinions? Beliefs? Medical issues?
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Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 12:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it information irrelevant to politics? Yes Personal information? Information about: family? Relatives? Relations? Past actions? Yes to all.Opinions? Beliefs? Medical issues? Not so much these.
Good start!
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Was it considered dirty because: the information was irrelevant to politics? Because it was private? Confidential? Secret? Relevant how the information was gained?
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The positive things that were said - were they things that nevertheless gave the impression that Jones was unfit for the job?
Such as, for example, "he is a really devoted family man, who prioritises his children above everything else" (leaving to the listeners to draw the conclusion "...so if a child of his comes down with a cold during a political crisis...")
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Was it considered dirty because: the information was irrelevant to politics?They were irrelevant, but that is not why this was considered dirty politics. Because it was
The positive things that were said - were they things that nevertheless gave the impression that Jones was unfit for the job? Yes, they were phrased so as to give that impression.
Such as, for example, "he is a really devoted family man, who prioritises his children above everything else" (leaving to the listeners to draw the conclusion "...so if a child of his comes down with a cold during a political crisis...") but not like that, although it was implied that Jones was a good family man. OTWT, sort of.
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Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 4:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, Galfish, I accidentally cut this off.
Because it was private? Confidential? Secret? Relevant how the information was gained? No to all.
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Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2013 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Mr Jones an average person with an average family life, or was there something which could potentially disqualify him as a politician?

If so, was it related to his behaviour? If so, was it something he did in the past/was still doing.

You said no to medical issues so I assume there was nothing like a hereditary illness or something in his family, is this correct?

Did Smith allege that Jones's behaviour was immoral?
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Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2013 - 3:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Mr Jones an average person with an average family life, Yes or was there something which could potentially disqualify him as a politician?

If so, was it related to his behaviour? If so, was it something he did in the past/was still doing. Yes to all

You said no to medical issues so I assume there was nothing like a hereditary illness or something in his family, is this correct? Correct

Did Smith allege that Jones's behaviour was immoral? No, but.....You might explore this point.
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Did Smith disclose behavior that someone else could interpret as immoral? Religion relevant? Morality relevant? Sports? Relevant what political position they were running for?
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Did Smith disclose behavior that someone else could interpret as immoral?Yes! Religion relevant?Yope Morality relevant? Yes Sports?No Relevant what political position they were running for? US House of Representatives; n.r.
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Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2013 - 7:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That he spends a lot of time with his family? Which is good, but bad because he can't spend too much time with his family if he's a Congressman in Washington? Or something like "he's a very dedicated X, and I'm sure that won't change if he's elected" meaning he'd spend too much time doing X rather than being a Congressman?

To clarify, would this work for all elected offices? For President? Vice President? Senator? State Senator? Governor?

Is the fact that he'd have to spend so much time in Washington if elected relevant?
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Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2013 - 3:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That he spends a lot of time with his family? Which is good, but bad because he can't spend too much time with his family if he's a Congressman in Washington? Or something like "he's a very dedicated X, and I'm sure that won't change if he's elected" meaning he'd spend too much time doing X rather than being a Congressman? No, nothing to do with the time spent doing anything.

To clarify, would this work for all elected offices? For President? Vice President?Doubt it, and sincerely hope not! Senator? State Senator? Governor? This happened some time ago, and in that time-frame might have happened in any of these cases.

Is the fact that he'd have to spend so much time in Washington if elected relevant? As above, no.

Truthfully, I'm not sure it ever really happened; many consider this an urban legend - although Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones (not their real names) were real politicians and did run for the same office.
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 4:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Smith "praise" Jones in words but his real intention was to allege that Smith was doing something wronf?
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Race/origin relevant?
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Did Smith want to discredit Jones in the eyes of a specific segment of the electorate?
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Smith "praise" Jones in words but his real intention was to allege that Smith was doing something wronf?Yes!
Race/origin relevant?No
Did Smith want to discredit Jones in the eyes of a specific segment of the electorate? Yes
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Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 8:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he want to discredit his opponent in the eyes of Men? Women? Youth? The elderly? A specific nationality? People living in a specific geographic area? The rich? The poor? The neither-rich-nor-poor? The jobless? Students? The handica... I mean, the functionally challenged?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he want to discredit his opponent in the eyes of Men? Women? Youth? The elderly? A specific nationality?n.r. to all People living in a specific geographic area?this The rich? The poor? mostly the poorThe neither-rich-nor-poor? The jobless? possibly some, but not nec. all Students?no The handica... I mean, the functionally challenged?Not functionally, but you might say challenged in a way.
And I think we're getting very close!
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Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2013 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The stu... I mean, the intellectually challenged?
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 2:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The stu... I mean, the intellectually challenged?or the uneducated, yes.
*********SPOILER****************
In 1950, George Smathers and Claude Pepper, former friends, opposed each other in the Democratic primary in Florida. Smathers susposedly made the following speech:
"Are you aware that Claude Pepper is known all over Washington as a shameless extrovert? Not only that, but this man is reliably reported to practice neopotism with his sister-in-law, he has a brother who is a known homo sapiens, and he has a sister who wa once a thespian in wicked New York. Worst of all, it is an establshed fact that Mr. Pepper, before his marriage, habitually practiced celibacy."
Unfortunately, or fortunately, this seems to have been a hoax, but Time magazine apparenty believed it and gave it wide currency.


Alhucema for President of the LTPF!
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 3:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you, Solo! I would gladly accept the nomination but I am afraid the media would soon find out my dark secret - I have been heavily dependent on dihydrogen monoxide for many years, in fact so much that if I fail to have my regular daily dosis, I would die within three days.

Great puzzle!
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Heh. Fun puzzle. Alhucema - dihydrogen monoxide? You're joking? Isn't that the horrible substance that killed 1512 people who was exposed to it in one fell swoop as early as 1912? And we STILL have tons of it around in every country on the Earth now, more than 100 years later? Will people never learn?
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Al and Abc, you are not only at the top of the alphabet but the top of my list as well.
But of course, abnormally high IQ's are the norm among LTPFers. :-)

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