| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8695 Registered: 8-2001 |
The worst advice Leonora ever received had the best effect on her life of any advice she ever received. How come? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3158 Registered: 12-2010 |
Leonora = H/A/F? Any of the following relevant about her: that she is female? her age? job? relationship status? religion? ethnicity? nationality? physical appearance? hobbies? lifestyle? character traits? Does it have an effect on her professional life? her social life? her relation to her family? her mood? her health? her lifestyle? Did the advice come from someone she knows? If so, a family member? friend? acquaintance? boss? co-worker? Was it given to her orally? in written form? Did the one who gave her the advice mean well? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1271 Registered: 7-2001 |
is this you? did leonora follow the advice? do the opposite? did her reaction to the advice tell her something about herself? did she reject the advice? ignore it? did it somehow help her discover something? do something new? stop doing something? do something differently? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1755 Registered: 6-2005 |
"Eat whatever you want." ? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3688 Registered: 2-2011 |
did hearing the advice tell her something significant about the person giving it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8698 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3158 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 8:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Leonora = H yes -- it's hard to give advice to a non-human/A yes/F yes but irrel? Any of the following relevant about her: that she is female? noher age? yesjob?yesish relationship status? no religion? yes ethnicity? no nationality? nophysical appearance? no hobbies? yeslifestyle? yes character traits? yes Does it have an effect on her professional life? yope her social life? no her relation to her family? no her mood? yesher health? no her lifestyle? yes Did the advice come from someone she knows? yes If so, a family member? friend? acquaintance? boss? co-worker?from someone midway between a friend & an acquaintance Was it given to her orally? irrel in written form? ditto Did the one who gave her the advice mean well? yes Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1271 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 10:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is this you?I'm Leonora, NOT the advice-giver!! did leonora follow the advice? no do the opposite? n/adid her reaction to the advice tell her something about herself? yes did she reject the advice? yesignore it? no did it somehow help her discover something? yes do something new? yesstop doing something? no do something differently? yope Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1755 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2013 - 11:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) "Eat whatever you want." ? no. That's GOOD advice -- at least if your aim is pleasure rather than health Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3688 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 5:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did hearing the advice tell her something significant about the person giving it? yes but irrel | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2005 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did Leonora try to follow the advice? Did she know when she received it that it was bad? Did she deliberately contradict the advice to prove it bad? Was the advice bad because it would not have the results the adviser thought it would? Because following it would make Leonora unhappy? Harm her? Because it would be too difficult to follow? Because it attempted to solve a problem that Leonora didn't consider to be a problem? Because it was obvious? Because it showed a lack of understanding of the situation? Because there was a relevant fact about Leonora that rendered it bad? Because giving it was rude? Might the adviser offer this advice to anyone? Is there something special about Leonora that made them think she would welcome this advice? Was she advised to do something? Not do something? Do something in a different way? Was the advice related to health? Work? Money? Leisure? Family? Religion? Hobbies? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8703 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2005 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 7:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Leonora try to follow the advice? no Did she know when she received it that it was bad? yesDid she deliberately contradict the advice to prove it bad? no Was the advice bad because it would not have the results the adviser thought it would? yesBecause following it would make Leonora unhappy? yes Harm her?yes Because it would be too difficult to follow? yope Because it attempted to solve a problem that Leonora didn't consider to be a problem? yope Because it was obvious? noBecause it showed a lack of understanding of the situation? yesBecause there was a relevant fact about Leonora that rendered it bad? yesBecause giving it was rude?yope Might the adviser offer this advice to anyone? yesIs there something special about Leonora that made them think she would welcome this advice? no Was she advised to do something? yes Not do something? see previous answer Do something in a different way? yesish Was the advice related to health? noish Work? yesish Money? noLeisure? no Family? noReligion? yesHobbies? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3185 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it relevant that you aren't / Leonora isn't religious? Would the advice have been good for a religious person? Did it involve changing religion? practicing religion? praying? donating to religious organisation? Is a specific religion relevant? Was the advice to change careers? to quit her job? to find another job? to retire? to work abroad? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8704 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3185 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 9:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it relevant that you aren't / Leonora isn't religious? yes Would the advice have been good for a religious person? n/aDid it involve changing religion? see next answerpracticing religion? yes praying? yes donating to religious organisation? not specifically Is a specific religion relevant? no Was the advice to change careers? noto quit her job? no to find another job? no to retire? no to work abroad? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3186 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the person who gave the advice link practicing religion to professional success? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2006 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did they say you should pray for something to happen? Pray for success? Was the advice stupid because you're not religious so don't believe in prayer? Because you had more practical plans to achieve what you wanted? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8705 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3186 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 10:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the person who gave the advice link practicing religion to professional success? no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2006 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 10:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did they say you should pray for something to happen? yopePray for success? noWas the advice stupid because you're not religious so don't believe in prayer? partly Because you had more practical plans to achieve what you wanted? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3190 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the person who gave her the advice religious? You said her age is relevant. Is it a piece of advice you'd only give to people in a certain age range? Is aging relevant? Is the person who gave her the advice younger than her? Older? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8707 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3190 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Friday, January 04, 2013 - 12:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the person who gave her the advice religious? yes You said her age is relevant. Is it a piece of advice you'd only give to people in a certain age range?no Is aging relevant? noIs the person who gave her the advice younger than her? irrel Older? irrel Relevant? irrel | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3237 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the person who gave you the advice male? female? relevant? Could a non-religious person have given the same advice? Did you ask her for advice? Was the advice related to a specific problem/issue/question? Or was it more of a general thing? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8722 Registered: 8-2001 |
Username: Doriana Post Number: 3237 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Monday, January 07, 2013 - 11:19 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the person who gave you the advice male? yes female? norelevant? no Could a non-religious person have given the same advice? no Did you ask her for advice? noWas the advice related to a specific problem/issue/question? yopeOr was it more of a general thing? yope | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4990 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the advice for a certain type of situation/problems? Did this situation/problem apply to you? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3717 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the advice to pray for guidance? to trust in God? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8725 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4990 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 9:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the advice for a certain type of situation/problems? yope Did this situation/problem apply to you? yes Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3717 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 12:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) was the advice to pray for guidance?yes to trust in God? yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2055 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the person think you had a problem with your situation, but actually you were perfectly happy? Did the person advise that you should pray to find out what you should do? How you should act? Whether you should do a certain thing? Did that suggest that instead of doing something useful to solve the problem, you should just pray? That you should do nothing and trust to god that the situation would resolve itself? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3728 Registered: 2-2011 |
did you decide to trust in yourself? in your own abilities? did you decide to take control? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8727 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2055 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2013 - 7:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the person think you had a problem with your situation yes, but actually you were perfectly happy no? Did the person advise that you should pray to find out what you should do? How you should act? Whether you should do a certain thing? Did that suggest that instead of doing something useful to solve the problem, you should just pray? That you should do nothing and trust to god that the situation would resolve itself? All that matters is that he thought I should "get religion" Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3728 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2013 - 4:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did you decide to trust in yourself? yesishin your own abilities? yesish did you decide to take control? yope | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3309 Registered: 12-2010 |
Should we find out what the situation was? Was it job-related? Were you stuck in your career? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8736 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3309 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 12:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Should we find out what the situation was? no, you should find out precisely how the advice affected me. Was it job-related? irrel Were you stuck in your career? ditto | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3319 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the advice "get religion"? Or more than that? After having received the advice, did you change something about your life? Did you start doing something? Stop doing something? Start doing something differently? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8740 Registered: 8-2001 |
(Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3319 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 6:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the advice "get religion"? yes Or more than that? no After having received the advice, did you change something about your life? yes Did you start doing something? yes -- & it wasn't getting religion!! Stop doing something? no Start doing something differently? noish | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3321 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did you take up a hobby? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8741 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3321 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 7:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did you take up a hobby? Yes!!! GOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!!! | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3322 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it a creative hobby? learning a language? learning about something? sports? food-related? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8742 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3322 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 10:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it a creative hobby? yes learning a language? nolearning about something? no or noishsports? NONONONONO!! I am the least athletic person in the world!!food-related? noish or yope | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3325 Registered: 12-2010 |
Singing relevant? Playing an instrument? Acting? Painting? Drawing? Sculpting? Pottery? Woodwork? Writing? Knitting? Crotcheting? Sewing? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8747 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3325 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 10:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Singing relevant? Playing an instrument? Acting? Painting? Drawing? Sculpting? Pottery? Woodwork? Writing? Knitting? Crotcheting? Sewing? writing | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5078 Registered: 9-2009 |
Writing: relevant what you write? Who reads it? Do you write: novels? Short stories? Letters? Poems? Lyrics? Prayers? Satire? Forum posts? Blog? Reviews? Emails? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2083 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did you write about religion? Did you write about receiving that advice? Did it give you the idea for something to write about? Did you want to set down your disagreement with the advice-giver in writing? Did that advice have such a good effect because you are now a published writer? Because you have realised you enjoy writing? Realised you are good at it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8751 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5078 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Writing: relevant what you write? yes Who reads it? yesDo you write: novels? noShort stories? yes but irrel Letters? dittoPoems? yes Lyrics? noPrayers? No -- I'm a lifelong atheist!! Satire? yesForum posts? yes but irrelBlog? noReviews? yes but irrel Emails? ditto Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2083 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did you write about religion? yes Did you write about receiving that advice? yes Did it give you the idea for something to write about? yesDid you want to set down your disagreement with the advice-giver in writing? yes Did that advice have such a good effect because you are now a published writer?yesish Because you have realised you enjoy writing? noRealised you are good at it? I can't say whether my poems are good, but they do get published This is close enough for me to declare a ********** SPOILER ********** A bout 6 years ago, I told a very religious & rather narrow-minded man about some professional difficulties (not "challenges"!!) I was having. He couldn't resist giving unsolicited advice to someone who just wanted sympathy. His advice was that I should get religion, which is as presumptuous to tell an atheist as it would have been for me to tell him he should lose his religion. By the way, I have several religious friends who NEVER try to convert me. Anyway, his advice led me to write a poem about him & send it to a glossy secular humanist magazine, which took it. This made me realize that I could write poetry -- well, light verse. I've since had over 60 published (almost all not about religion), so I should be grateful to this narrow-minded man!! And I'm grateful to Enjay for solving my puzzle. Please check out my new one!! | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8752 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5078 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Writing: relevant what you write? yes Who reads it? yesDo you write: novels? noShort stories? yes but irrel Letters? dittoPoems? yes Lyrics? noPrayers? No -- I'm a lifelong atheist!! Satire? yesForum posts? yes but irrelBlog? noReviews? yes but irrel Emails? ditto Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2083 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did you write about religion? yes Did you write about receiving that advice? yes Did it give you the idea for something to write about? yesDid you want to set down your disagreement with the advice-giver in writing? yes Did that advice have such a good effect because you are now a published writer?yesish Because you have realised you enjoy writing? noRealised you are good at it? I can't say whether my poems are good, but they do get published This is close enough for me to declare a ********** SPOILER ********** About 6 years ago, I told a very religious & rather narrow-minded man about some professional difficulties (not "challenges"!!) I was having. He couldn't resist giving unsolicited advice to someone who just wanted sympathy. His advice was that I should get religion, which is as presumptuous to tell an atheist as it would have been for me to tell him he should lose his religion. By the way, I have several religious friends who NEVER try to convert me. Anyway, his advice led me to write a poem about him & send it to a glossy secular humanist magazine, which took it. This made me realize that I could write poetry -- well, light verse. I've since had over 60 published (almost all not about religion), so I should be grateful to this narrow-minded man!! And I'm grateful to Enjay for solving my puzzle. Please check out my new one!! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5079 Registered: 9-2009 |
Good one! As a man, I see where he was coming from. We usually connect problem->solution. Problem->sympathy is alien to us, and if that's what you want you'll have to spell it out. I'd like to read the verse in question if you want to post or link it (: If you write limericks, you may be interested in contributing to OEDILF.com . | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8763 Registered: 8-2001 |
Here's the poem (which appeared in Free Inquiry and The Providence Journal). For N. T. The path to joy is faith in God, The young man told his friend. His joy was plain upon his face; He’d no wish to offend. All night they talked, and, on the morn, When day flared bright and hot, He shook her hand and wished her well And set out on his yacht. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8766 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5079 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 7:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Good one! As a man, I see where he was coming from. We usually connect problem->solution. Problem->sympathy is alien to us, and if that's what you want you'll have to spell it out. I haven't found any gender differences along these lines. And no one should be giving anyone else (except a serial killer) the advice that he should become an entirely different sort of person!! |
