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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 - 10:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here comes another of my favourite funny crimes.

John could not even complain.
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John = H/A/M?

Was John the one who commited the crime? If not, was the crime commited by one person? more than one? H/A/M? F? Was he the victim?

Was the crime theft? robbery? assault? murder? manslaughter? rape? fraud? drug-related? traffic-related?
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Doriana:
John = H/A/M? Yes.

Was John the one who commited the crime? Yes, but... If not, was the crime commited by one person? more than one? Probably. H/A/M? Group of H/A/Ms F? Was he the victim? Yes.

Was the crime theft? Thisish... robbery? assault? murder? manslaughter? rape? fraud? drug-related? traffic-related? ...and thisish and more.
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Wait, John was both the one who committed the crime and the victim?!

Did they steal a car?
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Doriana:
Wait, John was both the one who committed the crime and the victim?! Yope.

Did they steal a car? Technically speaking, yes, but DOYD.
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DYOD of: stealing? Of cars? Did they try to steal a car? Did they fail to steal a car? Did they steal a junk car? A useless car? A toy car?
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Galfisk:
DYOD of: stealing? This. Of cars? Did they try to steal a car? Did they fail to steal a car? Did they steal a junk car? A useless car? A toy car? No to the rest.
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Was the car: moved? Hidden? Camouflaged? Repainted? Replaced? Repaired? Sold? Bought? Borrowed? Shrink-wrapped? Post-itted? Washed? Buried? Is fraud involved? Relevant where the car was at the moment? Was anyone near it? Was anyone inside it? Was it moving? Running? Make/model/year of car relevant?
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Galfisk:
Was the car: moved? This. Hidden? Noish. Camouflaged? Repainted? Replaced? Repaired? Sold? Bought? Borrowed? Shrink-wrapped? Post-itted? Washed? Buried? No to the rest. Is fraud involved? No. Relevant where the car was at the moment? Yes. Was anyone near it? Was anyone inside it? Was it moving? Running? No to the rest. Make/model/year of car relevant? No.
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Was it moved: by people? By gravity? Was it a prank? Did it roll? Was it carried? Disassembled? Was it put in a more convenient place than before? Did it turn out the way the criminals intended? Was the car: legally parked? Illegally parked? At John's home? In the street? In a parking lot? In a garage?
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Galfisk:
Was it moved: by people? Yes. By gravity? Was it a prank? Did it roll? Was it carried? Probably this. Disassembled? Was it put in a more convenient place than before? No, according to common understanding of "convenient". Did it turn out the way the criminals intended? Yes. Was the car: legally parked? Illegally parked? This is closest. At John's home? In the street? In a parking lot? In a garage? No to all these places.
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Was moving the car the only crime committed? Or was it moved in order to commit another crime? Was it in the way? Was it lifted and carried by people only? Or was a machine used? Or human-powered apparatus? Such as a block and tackle?
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Galfisk:
Was moving the car the only crime committed? No, very good question. Or was it moved in order to commit another crime? No. Was it in the way? No. Was it lifted and carried by people only? Or was a machine used? Or human-powered apparatus? Such as a block and tackle? The method is unknown and rather irrelevant. Probably there was a machine used.
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Was the other crime traffic-related? Was the car moved in order to do something else to it? Or with it? Was that particular car used because: it was John's car? It was in that particular place at that particular time? It was the only car around? Did they use the car for the other crime?
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Galfisk:
Was the other crime traffic-related? Yesish. Was the car moved in order to do something else to it? No. Or with it? No. Was that particular car used because: it was John's car? Yes. It was in that particular place at that particular time? No. It was the only car around? No. Did they use the car for the other crime? No.
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Was John there when the car was moved? Did he know the car was moved? Was he okay with the car being moved?
Was there anything relevant inside the car? Was the space the car occupied used for anything relevant, after it was moved? Was it parked on top of something relevant? A manhole? Relevant where they put the car? Was the other crime committed: where the car was before? Where car was moved to? Near any of the above? Somewhere else? Was it moved in order to: frame John? Provide an alibi?
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did John steal the car and then someone stole it from him?
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Galfisk:
Was John there when the car was moved? No. Did he know the car was moved? No. Was he okay with the car being moved? No.
Was there anything relevant inside the car? Just the normal car equipment. Was the space the car occupied used for anything relevant, after it was moved? No. Was it parked on top of something relevant? No. A manhole? Relevant where they put the car? Yes. Was the other crime committed: where the car was before? This, but may be misleading. Where car was moved to? Near any of the above? Somewhere else? Was it moved in order to: frame John? No. Provide an alibi? No.

Shez:
did John steal the car No. and then someone stole it from him? Yes, having in mind that the car was only moved.
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Did they put something else where the car was before? If so: another car? Another vehicle? Something else entirely?
Was John's crime only that of illegally (ish) parking the car there?
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Galfisk:
Did they put something else where the car was before? No. If so: another car? Another vehicle? Something else entirely?
Was John's crime only that of illegally (ish) parking the car there? No.
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John's crime: traffic-related? Did he participate in the other crime? Was the other crime committed after the car was moved? Did all the people moving the car participate in another crime? Did moving the car cause the other crime? Was it a requirement for the other crime? Or was it unrelated? Was the car move in order to: hide it? Confuse someone? Block traffic? Block something else? would it have been damaged, had it not been moved?
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Galfisk:
John's crime: traffic-related? Yesish. Did he participate in the other crime? Yes. Was the other crime committed after the car was moved? No. Did all the people moving the car participate in another crime? No. Did moving the car cause the other crime? No and this is worth exploring. Was it a requirement for the other crime? No. Or was it unrelated? It was related. Was the car move in order to: hide it? Confuse someone? Block traffic? Block something else? None of these, but blocking something else is somehow OTRT. would it have been damaged, had it not been moved? No.
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Was the car blocking something? If so: before it was moved? After it was moved? If not: was something else blocking something? If so: before? After? Both? Surveillance relevant? Blocking a view? Did the other crime cause moving the car? Did any of the people moving the car participate in the other crime? Was a car involved in the other crime? Or some other vehicle? Blocking traffic relevant? Was the car moved because John participated in the other crime? Was it evidence? Did he drive it: before his crime? After his crime? Relevant? Did this happen in a city? In the country? In another location? Relevant where? Did moving the car solve a problem? Did more people participate in the moving than in the other crime? Relevant?
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Galfisk:
Was the car blocking something? No. If so: before it was moved? After it was moved? If not: was something else blocking something? No. If so: before? After? Both? Surveillance relevant? No. Blocking a view? No. Did the other crime cause moving the car? YES Did any of the people moving the car participate in the other crime? No. Was a car involved in the other crime? Yes. Or some other vehicle? Blocking traffic relevant? Noish. Was the car moved because John participated in the other crime? Yes. Was it evidence? No. Did he drive it: before his crime? No. After his crime? No. Relevant? Yes. Did this happen in a city? In the country? This. In another location? Relevant where? Somehow. Did moving the car solve a problem? Yes. Did more people participate in the moving than in the other crime? Yes. Relevant? Yes.

That was very good set of questions.
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was the car towed away by the authorities?
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Was the car moved to punish him? Annoy him? Help him? Reward him? Confuse him? Make him go looking for it? Did he have to do anything relevant to get his car back, except going to where it was moved?
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Shez:
was the car towed away by the authorities? No.

Galfisk:
Was the car moved to punish him? Yes. No to the rest. Annoy him? Help him? Reward him? Confuse him? Make him go looking for it? Did he have to do anything relevant to get his car back, except going to where it was moved? It was not that easy, but how did John get his car back is not relevant to the story.
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Relevant how long time went between the first and second crime? If so: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years?
Was he punished by the people who participated in the first crime? Relevant why he was punished? If so, is the "why" the only thing left to discover?
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Galfisk:
Relevant how long time went between the first and second crime? Yes. If so: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? This and... Months? This. FA possible. Years?
Was he punished by the people who participated in the first crime? FA. Relevant why he was punished? Yes. If so, is the "why" the only thing left to discover? This and more about the crimes, maybe also what happened to the car.
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Was it John alone who committed the first crime? Did he use his car to commit this crime? When the car was taken, was it put: on top of something relevant? Underneath something relevant? Inside something relevant? Was it altered in any way? Was anything left attached to it? Was anything removed from it? Was he punished by victims of the first crime? If so, were all participants victims? Did the punishment fit the crime?
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Galfisk:
Was it John alone who committed the first crime? Yes, but there is also a FA. Did he use his car to commit this crime? Yes, with respect to the same FA. When the car was taken, was it put: on top of something relevant? This. Underneath something relevant? Inside something relevant? Was it altered in any way? No. Was anything left attached to it? No. Was anything removed from it? No. Was he punished by victims of the first crime? Yes, the same FA. If so, were all participants victims? No, but this is not much relevant. Did the punishment fit the crime? Yes, at least in my opinion.
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FA: was it not a crime as such? Was it something that annoyed people? That broke a rule rather than a law? Did John do it: once? Many times? continuously? Was it a parking violation? Was the car put on top of: another car? A building? A hill? Something underground? Something owned by John? Or otherwise related to him?
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Galfisk:
FA: was it not a crime as such? Most of John's actions were criminal offences. Was it something that annoyed people? But this too. That broke a rule rather than a law? And this too. Did John do it: once? Many times? continuously? FA cleared. Many times or continuously, DOYD. The relevant thing is that it was not a singular act. Was it a parking violation? No. Was the car put on top of: another car? A building? A hill? Something underground? Something owned by John? Or otherwise related to him? No to these.
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Was he driving illegally? Without a license? Drunk? Speeding? Was the crime connected to this particular car? Was the car illegal to drive?
Was the car put in its place in order to: be hard to find? Be hard to move once found? Both?
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Galfisk:
Was he driving illegally? No. Without a license? No. Drunk? Sometimes. Speeding? Mostly. Was the crime connected to this particular car? No, it could have been any car. Was the car illegal to drive? No.
Was the car put in its place in order to: be hard to find? No. Be hard to move once found? Yes, but there was another reason in the first place. Both?
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Was it moved to keep him from driving drunk? Or speeding? Or driving in general? Or driving to a specific place? Or driving at a specific time? Were his crimes anything relevant besides drunk driving and speeding?
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Galfisk:
Was it moved to keep him from driving drunk? This. Or speeding? And this. Or driving in general? But not that far. Or driving to a specific place? Or driving at a specific time? No to these. Were his crimes anything relevant besides drunk driving and speeding? Just driving dangerously (esp. for kids in the area), with high speed, sometimes drunk, making a lot of noise etc.
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Was the car put somewhere it couldn't be driven out of? Where it couldn't be driven at all? Was it put on a: manmade structure? Landscape feature? On ice? On a rock? On a road? Animals involved?
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I'm coming in late on this one and may be repetitive with some Q's so bear with me...

John had been observed driving dangerously? By other people who lived near him? By the police?
In order to hopefully discourage him from doing this again, a group of people did something to teach him a lesson?
Was John inside the car when it was moved?
Was he near the car when it was moved?
Was the car moved with the help of a tow truck? A crane?
Was the car moved from one place on ground level to another place on ground level? Or was it moved from ground level to a higher elevation? To a lower elevation?
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Galfisk:
Was the car put somewhere it couldn't be driven out of? Yes. Where it couldn't be driven at all? Yes. But after being re-moved from that location, the car could be driven again.
Was it put on a: manmade structure? Landscape feature? This. On ice? On a rock? On a road? Animals involved? No to the rest.

Ixoye:
I'm coming in late on this one and may be repetitive with some Q's so bear with me... Welcome to the puzzle.

John had been observed driving dangerously? Yes. By other people who lived near him? Yes. By the police? Possibly, but irrelevant.
In order to hopefully discourage him from doing this again, a group of people did something to teach him a lesson? Yes.
Was John inside the car when it was moved? No.
Was he near the car when it was moved? No.
Was the car moved with the help of a tow truck? A crane? The text didn't reveal how it was moved. I guess a crane.
Was the car moved from one place on ground level to another place on ground level? No. Or was it moved from ground level to a higher elevation? This. To a lower elevation?
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Was it put on: a mountaintop? A hill? A hillside? A forest? A tree? Snow involved? Ice? Water? Was it put on an island?
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Galfisk:
Was it put on: a mountaintop? A hill? A hillside? A forest? A tree? This, no to the rest. Snow involved? Ice? Water? Was it put on an island?

I think that you have enough information to finish this puzzle.
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John always drove like a maniac, and often drunk. His neighbors, fed up with this behavior, and scared that he would end up hurting or killing someone, got together one time while he was drinking, and placed his car in a tree.
John did not drive drunk that day.
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Galfisk:
John always drove like a maniac, and often drunk. His neighbors, fed up with this behavior, and scared that he would end up hurting or killing someone, got together one time while he was drinking, and placed his car in a tree.
John did not drive drunk that day.

Neither that, nor any other day. He understood the lesson. That's absolutely right. And coming back to the puzzle statement, John could not even complain - because he was the true villain in the story and he would have had to confess about all his driving crimes.
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Thanks to all participants and congrats to Galfisk for solving the puzzle.
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Galfisk was too quick, I was ready to take a stab at that exact spoiler. Good puzzle!
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Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2013 - 3:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you. So please try to take a stab at my other puzzles :-)

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