| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18090 Registered: 4-2010 |
A man walks into a bar, leaves his money under a glass, and walks out. Why? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3257 Registered: 12-2010 |
Time or location relevant? his money = coins? bills? a credit card? a cheque? is the amount relevant? While he is in the bar, does he talk to anyone? communicate with anyone in some other way? Does someone see him do this? Is anyone present at the bar when this happens? Under a glass - does he turn the glass around so that the bottom is on top? Or does he put the money under the bottom of the glass? Will someone take the money later? If so, the bartender? the owner of the bar? the man himself? someone else? Paying for something relevant? Crimes relevant? Had the man ever been at this bar before? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18093 Registered: 4-2010 |
Time or location relevant? No to both his money = coins? bills? Some form of cash a credit card? a cheque? is the amount relevant? Not the exact amount, just that it was not much. A few dollars/euros/pounds/currency units While he is in the bar, does he talk to anyone? Possibly but irrel communicate with anyone in some other way? Ditto Does someone see him do this? Irrel Is anyone present at the bar when this happens? Likely but irrel Under a glass - does he turn the glass around so that the bottom is on top? Or does he put the money under the bottom of the glass? This Will someone take the money later? Yes If so, the bartender? Yes the owner of the bar? the man himself? someone else? Paying for something relevant? Yes Crimes relevant? No Had the man ever been at this bar before? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4987 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he pay for something: he had already gotten? He would get later? Did he pay for an object? A service? Did he do this once? A few times? Often? Was there a specific reason to put the glass on top of the money? Was anything inside the glass? Relevant+ was there anything special with: the glass? the money? The bar desk? Did he leave the glass at the bar desk? At a table? somewhere else? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1725 Registered: 1-2011 |
Could he have given the money to the bartender directly? Is he in any relation with the bartender, besides bartender-client relation? Is the man the bartender's boss? Is a bet relevant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4437 Registered: 1-2007 |
There is nothing finer than a puzzle that starts with 'A man walks into a bar' . It gives it a lovely classic feel. Is he happy to do this? sad? angry? Is he trying to prove a point? is this a 'f*** you' type of gesture? Does he expect to be in this bar again? to see the barman again? Is honour at stake? Will he be visiting any other bars and doing the same thing? Does the value of money include any tip? Is it a token amount or a specific value relating to the cost of something? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4438 Registered: 1-2007 |
Forgot to ask whether the man has drank from the glass? anyone else? is the glass clean? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3724 Registered: 2-2011 |
does the man do anything else between entering the bar and putting the money under a glass? is the bartender not present? did the man know he would not be there? is this a bar where they sell drinks? is the bar open for service when the man enters? is a bet relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18095 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he pay for something: he had already gotten? Yes He would get later? No Did he pay for an object? Yes A service? No Did he do this once? This A few times? Often? Was there a specific reason to put the glass on top of the money? Yes, but it's not particularly relevant Was anything inside the glass? No Relevant+ was there anything special with: the glass? It was an ordinary glass, if that's what you're asking. Yope the money? No The bar desk? No Did he leave the glass at the bar desk? This At a table? somewhere else? Could he have given the money to the bartender directly? Yes Is he in any relation with the bartender, besides bartender-client relation? No Is the man the bartender's boss? No Is a bet relevant? No There is nothing finer than a puzzle that starts with 'A man walks into a bar' . It gives it a lovely classic feel. I like them too. Is he happy to do this? sad? angry? More neutral than anything Is he trying to prove a point? No is this a 'f*** you' type of gesture? No Does he expect to be in this bar again? Irrel to see the barman again? Irrel Is honour at stake? No Will he be visiting any other bars and doing the same thing? No Does the value of money include any tip? Assume no Is it a token amount or a specific value relating to the cost of something? Yes, assuming I understood the question right Forgot to ask whether the man has drank from the glass? Yes anyone else? No is the glass clean? Yes does the man do anything else between entering the bar and putting the money under a glass? Assume no is the bartender not present? Assume this is the case, or that he's serving other customers did the man know he would not be there? No is this a bar where they sell drinks? Yes is the bar open for service when the man enters? Yes is a bet relevant? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5006 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he pay for a drink? A drink that was in the glass? Was the glass clean? Used? By him? By someone else? Did anyone else pay that way? Or in a similar way? Did he know the bartender? did he make a deal with the bartender that he would pay that way? Did he put the glass there so they could collect and wash it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18098 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he pay for a drink? Yes A drink that was in the glass? At one point Was the glass clean? Yes Used? Yes By him? Yes By someone else? Yes, and these are a good set of questions Did anyone else pay that way? Irrel Or in a similar way? Did he know the bartender? Irrel, assume no did he make a deal with the bartender that he would pay that way? No Did he put the glass there so they could collect and wash it? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3272 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he consume the drink and pay for it during the same visit to the bar? Is the exact drink relevant? If so, [LTPF list of drinks] please. Was it alcoholic? Relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18100 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he consume the drink and pay for it during the same visit to the bar? NO and that's relevant. Is the exact drink relevant? Not exactly. Something about it is relevant though If so, [LTPF list of drinks] please. See prev Was it alcoholic? Yes Relevant? Somewhat | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2621 Registered: 11-2008 |
The time elapsed between the man drinking the drink and paying for it: days? weeks? months? years? Was he served the drink by the same bartender to whom he is paying for it? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4068 Registered: 1-2001 |
A classic feel indeed... When this man had previously been at this bar, had he consumed only one drink? More than one? Many? Had he ordered a kind of drink that comes in a certain kind of glass? Since he's now coming into the bar to put the money under the cup, he must have left the bar at a previous time. Did he leave by walking out? Of his own accord? Against his will? Without knowing he was leaving? Was he ejected/thrown out? Had he been alone? Had he met someone there? Had he arrived by car? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5012 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he take the drink home? Or drink it outside? Or did he drink it in the bar, but take the empty glass with him? Did he share the drink with someone? Did he wash the glass? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2622 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it a specific glass (like, in some pubs, the regulars have their own special glasses)? Was he unable to pay for the drink when he drank it (and is making up for it now)? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4444 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the man himself an alcoholic? Is there some symbolism going on? Is he quitting? Is this part of his therapy? a sort of one for the road? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1733 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he leave the whole sum for the drink under the glass? If not: too much? not enough? Is that relevant? | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2012 |
Was there some shame or secretiveness in his drinking so he did not want to be seen in the bar for very long? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18105 Registered: 4-2010 |
The time elapsed between the man drinking the drink and paying for it: days? weeks? months? years? Less than a day. Say an hour or two Was he served the drink by the same bartender to whom he is paying for it? Yes A classic feel indeed... When this man had previously been at this bar, had he consumed only one drink? This More than one? Many? Had he ordered a kind of drink that comes in a certain kind of glass? YES Since he's now coming into the bar to put the money under the cup, he must have left the bar at a previous time. Yes Did he leave by walking out? Yes Of his own accord? Yes Against his will? No Without knowing he was leaving? No Was he ejected/thrown out? No Had he been alone? Yes Had he met someone there? No Had he arrived by car? Irrel -- assume he walked Did he take the drink home? Or drink it outside? Or did he drink it in the bar, but take the empty glass with him? YES Did he share the drink with someone? No Did he wash the glass? Eventually Was it a specific glass (like, in some pubs, the regulars have their own special glasses)? Not like this, no Was he unable to pay for the drink when he drank it (and is making up for it now)? No Is the man himself an alcoholic? No, so no to rest Is there some symbolism going on? No Is he quitting? Is this part of his therapy? a sort of one for the road? Did he leave the whole sum for the drink under the glass? Yes If not: too much? not enough? Is that relevant? Not really. Just that he was paying for his drink from earlier Was there some shame Awkwardness or secretiveness in his drinking No so he did not want to be seen in the bar for very long? Yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3282 Registered: 12-2010 |
Wait, let me get this straight. He consumes the drink, then takes the empty glass with him, then comes back with the glass and the money and pays for the drink? Was he initially planning to keep the glass? Does he collect "special" glasses? Somehow, foreigners seem to be very interested in German beer glasses, I know a Finnish guy and an American who both took the empty glass with them after they had had a beer at a bar. Something like that relevant? Did he take it accidentally? Did he bring it back out of regret? Relevant what he did between leaving the bar and coming back? Did he show the glass to anyone? Did he want to brag about it? Some kind of bed or dare going on? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3283 Registered: 12-2010 |
*"bet" not "bed" in the last question. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18114 Registered: 4-2010 |
Wait, let me get this straight. He consumes the drink, then takes the empty glass with him, then comes back with the glass and the money and pays for the drink? That's correct Was he initially planning to keep the glass? No Does he collect "special" glasses? No Somehow, foreigners seem to be very interested in German beer glasses, I know a Finnish guy and an American who both took the empty glass with them after they had had a beer at a bar. Something like that relevant? No, but that is interesting Did he take it accidentally? No Did he bring it back out of regret? I wouldn't say "regret" Relevant what he did between leaving the bar and coming back? Yes Did he show the glass to anyone? Not "show" Did he want to brag about it? No Some kind of bet or dare going on? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3291 Registered: 12-2010 |
While the glass was in his possession, did he go someplace relevant? If so, his place? some other private residence? a shop? another public place? Was he planning to sell the glass? Did he think it was worth a lot of money? Did he take it to a pawnshop or antiques shop where he was told that the glass wasn't worth much, and therefore he brought it back to the bar? You said that the glass was used by someone else. Does this happen while the glass is in the man's possession? By "use", do you mean "drink from it"? Or another use? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3292 Registered: 12-2010 |
And I should add that the Finnish boy politely asked if he could take the glass with him, whereas the American just slipped it into his backpack. Not making any assumptions about Americans, but... =D | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18119 Registered: 4-2010 |
And I should add that the Finnish boy politely asked if he could take the glass with him, whereas the American just slipped it into his backpack. Not making any assumptions about Americans, but... =D Go ahead and assume =) While the glass was in his possession, did he go someplace relevant? Yes If so, his place? Yes some other private residence? a shop? another public place? Was he planning to sell the glass? No, so no to rest Did he think it was worth a lot of money? Did he take it to a pawnshop or antiques shop where he was told that the glass wasn't worth much, and therefore he brought it back to the bar? You said that the glass was used by someone else. Yes Does this happen while the glass is in the man's possession? DOYD of "possession" By "use", do you mean "drink from it"? NO Or another use? Yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3297 Registered: 12-2010 |
The other relevant person - H/A/M? F? Was s/he at the man's place? Waiting for him? Was s/he a friend of his? A family member? Did s/he do something with the glass that one might use a glass for (e.g. trap a fly)? Or something one wouldn't use a glass for? Did s/he pee in it? Could the other person have used a different glass for this? Is the size of the glass relevant? the shape? the colour? When the man first took the class, was he planning to bring it back after the other person had used it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18123 Registered: 4-2010 |
The other relevant person - H/A/M? F? H/A/F Was s/he at the man's place? Yes Waiting for him? Yes, she knew he was coming Was s/he a friend of his? A family member? This, his wife Did s/he do something with the glass that one might use a glass for (e.g. trap a fly)? Or something one wouldn't use a glass for? One could use a glass for this, but it isn't normally used this way Did s/he pee in it? No, but that would be interesting Could the other person have used a different glass for this? A different glass of the same... Is the size of the glass relevant? ...size, Yes the shape? the colour? When the man first took the glass, was he planning to bring it back after the other person had used it? Irrel, assume Yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3300 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the glass particularly small? A shot glass? Particularly big? Did she use it to prepare a meal? to water plants? to scoop something? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18127 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the glass particularly small? No, on the contrary... A shot glass? No Particularly big? Yes Did she use it to prepare a meal? Yope to water plants? No to scoop something? Either this, or she poured something in it | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2012 |
Was the glass not fit to drink from after his wife used it? Even after he cleaned the glass did he not want to drink from it? And on returning it no one knew what it had been used for and he could leave it at the bar? Was he being secretive because he did not want to explain any of this to the bartender? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2071 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did she use it to measure something out, based on the volume of the glass? Did the man get the drink in the first place purely to obtain the glass? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4086 Registered: 1-2001 |
Have we determined that the glass was empty when the man returned it to the bar? Did the man's wife put a liquid into the glass? Many tiny solid objects? Few large solid objects? Funny how the mind works, reading through the previous posts at one point I was thinking that he peed in it as well... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18128 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the glass not fit to drink from after his wife used it? No Even after he cleaned the glass did he not want to drink from it? No and irrel And on returning it no one knew what it had been used for and he could leave it at the bar? Not exactly, see next Was he being secretive because he did not want to explain any of this to the bartender? Not exactly, but heading towards the right track Did she use it to measure something out, based on the volume of the glass? Yes Did the man get the drink in the first place purely to obtain the glass? Yes Have we determined that the glass was empty when the man returned it to the bar? We haven't, but it was indeed empty Did the man's wife put a liquid into the glass? Many tiny solid objects? Few large solid objects? It was used to measure something out; what that something is is irrel Funny how the mind works, reading through the previous posts at one point I was thinking that he peed in it as well... | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5070 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it a pint glass? Liter? Larger? Unit of measurement relevant? Was it used to measure out a specific volume of something? Didn't they have the required measure at home? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3316 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did anyone at the bar know that he had taken the glass? Is there a specific reason why he didn't just ask the bartender if he could borrow a glass? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18132 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it a pint glass? This Liter? Larger? Unit of measurement relevant? See next Was it used to measure out a specific volume of something? Yes... Didn't they have the required measure at home? NO. Did anyone at the bar know that he had taken the glass? No Is there a specific reason why he didn't just ask the bartender if he could borrow a glass? Not really. He just didn't think of it | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2086 Registered: 4-2007 |
So his wife needed the glass to measure a pint of something? Did they live in a place that uses the metric system? Or did they just not have a pint measure at home? Did he not want the barman to know he had taken the glass? Did he think he might get in trouble? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18136 Registered: 4-2010 |
So his wife needed the glass to measure a pint of something? Yes Did they live in a place that uses the metric system? Or did they just not have a pint measure at home? This Did he not want the barman to know he had taken the glass? Yes, this is part of it Did he think he might get in trouble? Irrel | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 2135 Registered: 6-2008 |
So we have that he asked for a pint of beer, drank it, walked out with the empty glass without being seen, gave it to his wife to measure something, then took the empty glass back to the bar, and then paid for his beer? Is this all correct? Also, we know that one reason he didn't give the money directly to the bartender was that he didn't want anyone to know he had taken the glass home? Was the other reason that there was a rule against bringing drinks outside? that he didn't want to be seen as "cheap" by taking several hours to pay for his drink? because he thought it would seem like he must have been asking others to buy him free drinks the rest of the time? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4097 Registered: 1-2001 |
Or maybe the man ordered the drink, realized he didn't have any money with him so he took the glass home to get a pint of something, sold that and used the money to pay for the drink? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18137 Registered: 4-2010 |
So we have that he asked for a pint of beer, drank it, walked out with the empty glass without being seen, gave it to his wife to measure something, then took the empty glass back to the bar, and then paid for his beer? Is this all correct? Yes Also, we know that one reason he didn't give the money directly to the bartender was that he didn't want anyone to know he had taken the glass home? Yes Was the other reason that there was a rule against bringing drinks outside? that he didn't want to be seen as "cheap" by taking several hours to pay for his drink? because he thought it would seem like he must have been asking others to buy him free drinks the rest of the time? No to these Or maybe the man ordered the drink, realized he didn't have any money with him so he took the glass home to get a pint of something, sold that and used the money to pay for the drink? Not this either | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4098 Registered: 1-2001 |
When the man went into the bar the first time (per the events in the puzzle), did he plan on ordering a pint drink? Did he plan to leave the bar with the glass? Did he plan to take the glass home? Had his wife asked him to go to the bar and get a pint size glass and bring it back home? Was this a money-saving exercise? A multi-step plan? Something that was improvised along the way? Was his wife happy that he brought the glass home? Had she been angry with him prior to when he came home with the glass? Had he been angry with her? Did he have a good reason for "borrowing" this glass instead of buying a measuring cup? Was there no place nearby to buy a measuring cup? Was he doing this in the night time? Are any other people involved besides the man and his wife (and indirectly the bartender)? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18147 Registered: 4-2010 |
When the man went into the bar the first time (per the events in the puzzle), did he plan on ordering a pint drink? Yes Did he plan to leave the bar with the glass? Yes Did he plan to take the glass home? Yes Had his wife asked him to go to the bar and get a pint size glass and bring it back home? No, but OTRT Was this a money-saving exercise? No A multi-step plan? No Something that was improvised along the way? Somewhat Was his wife happy that he brought the glass home? Yes Had she been angry with him prior to when he came home with the glass? No Had he been angry with her? No Did he have a good reason for "borrowing" this glass instead of buying a measuring cup? Yes-ish -- he certainly felt so Was there no place nearby to buy a measuring cup? Irrel Was he doing this in the night time? Yes Are any other people involved besides the man and his wife (and indirectly the bartender)? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1777 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the wife express the need for a pint measure? Did the man wanted to get a pleasure (drinking beer) and arrange what his wife needed at once? Could he have obtained another pint measure at that time? Is it relevant what was his wife doing that she needed a pint glass (besides measuring something out)? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3742 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the wife need the measuring cup for cooking? did she want to check up on how much he was drinking? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18152 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the wife express the need for a pint measure? Yes Did the man wanted to get a pleasure (drinking beer) and arrange what his wife needed at once? Yes Could he have obtained another pint measure at that time? Not quite sure what you mean by this Is it relevant what was his wife doing that she needed a pint glass (besides measuring something out)? Yes, see next did the wife need the measuring cup for cooking? Yes did she want to check up on how much he was drinking? No | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3355 Registered: 12-2010 |
Relevant what she was cooking? I don't quite see what information we're still missing... | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4099 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did the man hear the wife say aloud that she needed to measure a pint of something? Did he tell her that he would go out and get some container for measurement? Was she impressed with his creative idea? Did he drink some from the glass and give some to his wife? Did the man go from home to the bar then back home then back to the bar? Or did he start from somewhere else? Were there any other places that he went? Had his wife called him to say that she was home cooking and was stuck because she didn't have a way to measure out something? And he left work or somewhere else to stop and get a glass so she could measure something? | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 773 Registered: 5-2008 |
Is it relevant where the man was when he was asked to obtain a pint measure? was he asked face-to-face? over the phone? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18157 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant what she was cooking? No I don't quite see what information we're still missing... Fear not, help is at hand Is it relevant where the man was when he was asked to obtain a pint measure? was he asked face-to-face? over the phone? This Did the man hear the wife say aloud that she needed to measure a pint of something? Yes Did he tell her that he would go out and get some container for measurement? Yes Was she impressed with his creative idea? Irrel, but I would assume so Did he drink some from the glass and give some to his wife? No Did the man go from home to the bar then back home then back to the bar? No... Or did he start from somewhere else? ...Yes Were there any other places that he went? No, other than where he started... Had his wife called him to say that she was home cooking and was stuck because she didn't have a way to measure out something? And he left work or somewhere else to stop and get a glass so she could measure something? Yes, this is exactly correct There's only one more little detail, but that's not as important, so here's the ****SPOILER**** A man was heading to a bar from his workplace when his wife called, asking him to pick up a pint measure on his way home, as she needed it for cooking that evening. He decided to save a trip and use a pint glass from the bar, so he ordered a pint, drank it, then drove home with the glass. After giving it to his wife to use, he realized that not only had he not asked permission to take the glass from the bar, but he had forgotten to pay the bartender for his drink. So when his wife was finished, he cleaned the glass and brought it back to the bar. He felt awkward and wanted to remain inconspicuous, so he left the glass on the bar with the money for his drink under it, and went home. Excellent work everyone -- this attracted a lot of attention and a lot of good questions. Bonus points to Ixoye for hitting on the major part of the solution, props to everyone else involved, and see if you can figure out my next one. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4100 Registered: 1-2001 |
Very good. Nice style, I'm surprised my mind could make that jump! |
