| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8739 Registered: 8-2001 |
In trying to explain why he had to defend very unsavory criminals, a public defender used an obviously false analogy. What was it? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3324 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does the analogy involve people? animals? plants? food? religion? politics? sports? tangible objects? Are the exact crimes relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8743 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3324 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 10:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the analogy involve people?no animals? no plants? no food? yesreligion? nopolitics? no sports? no tangible objects? yes | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8744 Registered: 8-2001 |
Are the exact crimes relevant?no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3326 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does he compare the criminals to untasty food? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8746 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3326 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2013 - 10:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does he compare the criminals to untasty food? yes, now you need to find out the specifics | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2084 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he compare them to a specific type of food? Did he compare defending criminals to eating nasty food? Did he compare the criminals to food that is good for you but tastes bad? Rotten/spoiled food? Bland food? Food that is an acquired taste? Did his justification involve the fact that a fair justice system required everyone to have a decent defence? The fact that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise? The fact that defending a person does not mean he believes them innocent? Does not mean he sympathises or agrees with them at all? | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2012 |
Is his wife's cooking involved? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8749 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2084 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:12 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he compare them to a specific type of food? yes Did he compare defending criminals to eating nasty food? yes or yesish but you need to figure out what is wrong with his analogyDid he compare the criminals to food that is good for you but tastes bad? noRotten/spoiled food? no Bland food? Food that is an acquired taste? no Did his justification involve the fact that a fair justice system required everyone to have a decent defence? yes The fact that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise? yesish The fact that defending a person does not mean he believes them innocent? yope Does not mean he sympathises or agrees with them at all? yesish Deholmes (Deholmes) New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2012 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 6:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is his wife's cooking involved?no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2090 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the analogy wrong because the analogous situation he talked about does not exist? Because there is a key difference between it and the situation of the lawyer? Would it help to work out what type of food he compared the criminals to? Did he say anything along the lines of 'you don't know whether food tastes nice till you eat it, and I don't know if my clients are guilty when I defend them'? Did he suggest that he has to defend the clients just like one might sometimes have to eat food one doesn't like? Did he compare defending the criminals to eating nasty food but not spitting it out or complaining about it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8755 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2090 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 9:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the analogy wrong because the analogous situation he talked about does not exist? yesish Because there is a key difference between it and the situation of the lawyer? yesish Would it help to work out what type of food he compared the criminals to? yes Did he say anything along the lines of 'you don't know whether food tastes nice till you eat it, and I don't know if my clients are guilty when I defend them'? noDid he suggest that he has to defend the clients just like one might sometimes have to eat food one doesn't like? noDid he compare defending the criminals to eating nasty food but not spitting it out or complaining about it? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2092 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the food sweet? Savoury? A fruit? Vegetable? Meat? Is it a single ingredient? A dish made with several ingredients? Is it served hot? Cold? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3334 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he compare them to fruit? vegetables? fish? meat? dairy products? grain products? sweets? Sour food? Bitter food? Spicy food? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3335 Registered: 12-2010 |
Oops, I should have refreshed the page. Sorry for cross-posting. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8758 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2092 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 10:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the food sweet? yesSavoury? noA fruit? noVegetable? no Meat? noIs it a single ingredient? noA dish made with several ingredients? yesishIs it served hot? room tempCold? see previous answer Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3334 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 10:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he compare them to fruit? no vegetables? nofish? no meat? no dairy products? nograin products? nosweets? yes Sour food? no Bitter food? noSpicy food? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3338 Registered: 12-2010 |
A special kind of sweets? Or sweets in general? If the former, cake? pastries? chocolate? chocolate bars? pudding? hard candy? fudge? wine gum? marshmallows? jelly beans? liquorice? lollipops? ice cream? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8760 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3338 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A special kind of sweets? yes Or sweets in general? no If the former, cake? nopastries? nochocolate? nochocolate bars? no pudding? no hard candy? no fudge? no wine gum? jujubes, actually, but wine gum would work, too marshmallows? nojelly beans? that would work, too liquorice? nolollipops? noice cream? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3340 Registered: 12-2010 |
Relevant that they come in different flavours? Some of which are considered less delicious than others? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2093 Registered: 4-2007 |
Does the obvious falseness of the analogy have to do with the fact that different people like different foods/flavours, whereas pretty much everyone dislikes horrible criminals? Is it obviously false in that he assumes everyone feels a certain way about the food, and you don't? Or you know that some people don't? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8762 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2093 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the obvious falseness of the analogy have to do with the fact that different people like different foods/flavours, whereas pretty much everyone dislikes horrible criminals? noIs it obviously false in that he assumes everyone feels a certain way about the food, and you don't? no Or you know that some people don't? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3342 Registered: 12-2010 |
It looks like you forgot my questions... | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3739 Registered: 2-2011 |
does he refer to the fact that you can't just eat the red and black ones - you have to buy the whole packet? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8765 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3340 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2013 - 11:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant that they come in different flavours?yes Some of which are considered less delicious than others? yes Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3342 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 12:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) It looks like you forgot my questions... rectified (see above), with my apologies!! Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3739 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 12:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does he refer to the fact that you can't just eat the red and black ones - you have to buy the whole packet? yes | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2100 Registered: 4-2007 |
I know that you can in fact buy a whole bag of only red and black fruit pastilles, and possibly other sweets as well (because the makers know these are most people's favourite) - is that why the analogy is wrong? Is it because you can choose to not eat any sweets you dislike, but criminals must be defended? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8767 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2100 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 7:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I know that you can in fact buy a whole bag of only red and black fruit pastilles, and possibly other sweets as well (because the makers know these are most people's favourite) - is that why the analogy is wrong? no Is it because you can choose to not eat any sweets you dislike, but criminals must be defended? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2103 Registered: 4-2007 |
So is the analogy he uses that of buying a packet of sweets despite the fact that you don't like some flavours? Where the unsavoury criminals are represented by the least good flavours and the ones you don't mind defending by the nicest flavours? Does the wrong analogy suggest that he does not have the correct attitude to his job? Because a defender should view all his clients as equal and work equally hard to prove them innocent? He shouldn't see them as criminals before they get found guilty? Shouldn't decide in advance which ones he thinks are bad people/guilty? Is it wrong because even the least nice flavours of sweets are still pretty nice, whereas criminals aren't? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3746 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it wrong because you don't actually have to eat the others? you could give them away? or throw throw them away? | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 775 Registered: 5-2008 |
Is it wrong because of some alternative solution he ignores? or because an element of the specific claim he makes is factually incorrect e.g. he implies they're all the same colour though they are not? Is the error he makes in some way a common mistake made with regards to this particular kind of sweet? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8770 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2103 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 7:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So is the analogy he uses that of buying a packet of sweets despite the fact that you don't like some flavours? yesWhere the unsavoury criminals are represented by the least good flavours and the ones you don't mind defending by the nicest flavours? yes Does the wrong analogy suggest that he does not have the correct attitude to his job? noBecause a defender should view all his clients as equal and work equally hard to prove them innocent? no He shouldn't see them as criminals before they get found guilty? no Shouldn't decide in advance which ones he thinks are bad people/guilty? no Is it wrong because even the least nice flavours of sweets are still pretty nice, whereas criminals aren't? no Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3746 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is it wrong because you don't actually have to eat the others? noyou could give them away? no or throw throw them away? no Liquizt (Liquizt) New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 775 Registered: 5-2008 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 4:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it wrong because of some alternative solution he ignores? no or because an element of the specific claim he makes is factually incorrect yese.g. he implies they're all the same colour though they are not? that's not it Is the error he makes in some way a common mistake made with regards to this particular kind of sweet? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2120 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the wrong element to do with: the taste of the sweets? The taste of a specific sweet? The flavours available? The relative tastiness of these? Does he mention a flavour that isn't actually available? The packaging? The way of eating the sweets? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8772 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2120 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - 9:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the wrong element to do with: the taste of the sweets? noThe taste of a specific sweet? no The flavours available?no The relative tastiness of these? noDoes he mention a flavour that isn't actually available? no The packaging? no The way of eating the sweets? yesish | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2130 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the order in which people eat the sweets relevant? Relevant whether they just eat the next one in the packet or pick out particular flavours? Relevant that you know in advance what flavour you are about to eat? Eating a whole packet at once rather than over a longer time period relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8773 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2130 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 7:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the order in which people eat the sweets relevant? noRelevant whether they just eat the next one in the packet or pick out particular flavours? yesRelevant that you know in advance what flavour you are about to eat? yes Eating a whole packet at once rather than over a longer time period relevant? yope | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2131 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did he claim that people always eat the sweets in order? That they pick out the ones they like to eat first? The ones they don't like? Did he suggest that a person eating sweets has no choice over which sweet they eat, which is not true? Because they can see what the next sweet is, and choose a different one if they want? Does he suggest that people eat sweets gradually? More slowly than they usually do? Faster than they usually do? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8774 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2131 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 7:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he claim that people always eat the sweets in order? yopo That they pick out the ones they like to eat first? yopeThe ones they don't like? no Did he suggest that a person eating sweets has no choice over which sweet they eat, which is not true? no Because they can see what the next sweet is, and choose a different one if they want? He does claim this, but. . . . Does he suggest that people eat sweets gradually? irrel More slowly than they usually do? noFaster than they usually do? no. By the way, NO ONE eats sweets faster than I usually do!! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3755 Registered: 2-2011 |
that they pick out the ones they don't like so much and save the best till last? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8775 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3755 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 8:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) that they pick out the ones they don't like so much and save the best till last? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8777 Registered: 8-2001 |
BIG HINT: Find out WHERE he is when he's eating the jujubes. | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2147 Registered: 4-2007 |
In public? In private? Around other people? Alone? Inside? Outside? In a relevant building? In court? In a shop? Relevant where he is as in country? Town? Rural vs urban area? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8781 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2147 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 8:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) In public? yesishIn private? noishAround other people? usually Alone? possiblyInside? yes Outside? noIn a relevant building? yes In court? noIn a shop? noRelevant where he is as in country? less likely Town?possiblyRural vs urban area? probably urban | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2151 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the building a house? School? Hospital? Business? Office? Prison? Is the lawyer specifically referring to himself eating jujubes? Or just a random person for the purpose of the analogy? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8785 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2151 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 8:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the building a house? no School? noHospital? noBusiness? yope or yesishOffice? noPrison? no Is the lawyer specifically referring to himself eating jujubes? yes Or just a random person for the purpose of the analogy? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2153 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is it in his place of work? In a place that provides services? A restaurant? Bar? Vehicle? Religious building? Bank? Is it somewhere where you can't eat jujubes? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3764 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it a shop? a factory? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8787 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2153 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 - 9:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it in his place of work? no In a place that provides services? yesish or yope A restaurant? no Bar? no Vehicle? noReligious building? no Bank? no Is it somewhere where you can't eat jujubes? no Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3764 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 3:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is it a shop? no a factory? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1275 Registered: 7-2001 |
is he referring to a situation where someone offers a tube of sweets to him? and it would be against etiquette to not take the next one in line? or someone just gives him a sweet? and it would be rude not to take it? relevant whose sweets they are? is a child offering them? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8793 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1275 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2013 - 11:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is he referring to a situation where someone offers a tube of sweets to him? noand it would be against etiquette to not take the next one in line? no or someone just gives him a sweet? and it would be rude not to take it? no relevant whose sweets they are? yesis a child offering them? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3766 Registered: 2-2011 |
if someone offers you a sweet you don't just take the best one? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8800 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3766 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Monday, January 21, 2013 - 2:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) if someone offers you a sweet you don't just take the best one? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3770 Registered: 2-2011 |
if someone offers you a sweet, it's not polite to refuse, even if it's not the colour you want? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8809 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3770 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 1:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) if someone offers you a sweet, it's not polite to refuse, even if it's not the colour you want? no --also I think the satatement is false. How can it be impolite to refuse food you are offered, as long as you refuse politely? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2219 Registered: 4-2007 |
In the analogy, do the sweets belong to the eater? To someone else? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8815 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2219 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) In the analogy, do the sweets belong to the eater?yes To someone else? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5162 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant how he got the sweets? If so, did he buy them? Were they given to him? Did he find them? Was he paid to take them? Did the analogy have to do with acquiring the sweets? Or only with eating them? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8819 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5162 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 - 1:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant how he got the sweets? see subsequent answersIf so, did he buy them? This is most likely. Were they given to him? possiblyDid he find them? very unlikely Was he paid to take them? no Did the analogy have to do with acquiring the sweets?no Or only with eating them? yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5183 Registered: 9-2009 |
Eating all the sweets relevant? Sorting them? eating them in a certain order? Taking the good with the bad relevant? Is he trying to argue that it comes with the job? That he must treat all defendants alike, as he must treat all sweets alike? That he is assigned them rather than being able to choose them? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8826 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5183 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 11:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Eating all the sweets relevant? yesih Sorting them? yeseating them in a certain order? no Taking the good with the bad relevant? yesw Is he trying to argue that it comes with the job? yesThat he must treat all defendants alike, as he must treat all sweets alike? yesThat he is assigned them rather than being able to choose them?Yes, but there is something WRONG with his analogy. Find out what!! | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2262 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is it wrong because people eating sweets do not behave in the way he claims? Would have different reasons for their behaviour? Because you can choose what sweets you eat? Because not all sweets are treated alike? Because you can eat more than one sweet but only have one case at a time? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8829 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 2262 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, January 25, 2013 - 9:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it wrong because people eating sweets do not behave in the way he claims? yesish or yope Would have different reasons for their behaviour? no Because you can choose what sweets you eat? no Because not all sweets are treated alike?noish Because you can eat more than one sweet but only have one case at a time? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3798 Registered: 2-2011 |
because you don't have to eat the sweets at all? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3380 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is it relevant that when choosing among assorted sweets, you're choosing between "good" and "better" (or "like more" and "like less"), as opposed to good and bad? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8833 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3798 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 1:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) because you don't have to eat the sweets at all? no (You don't??} Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 3380 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 4:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it relevant that when choosing among assorted sweets, you're choosing between "good" and "better" (or "like more" and "like less"), as opposed to good and bad? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8843 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Find out where the public defender is when he's eating the jujubes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5221 Registered: 9-2009 |
Where: in court? At home? Traveling? In public? In the store where they were bought? Is his eating limited in some relevant way? If so: in time? In amount? Is he in a movie theater? Does he need to be quiet with the bag? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8845 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5221 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, February 01, 2013 - 8:03 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Where: in court? no At home? noTraveling? no In public? see next to last answer In the store where they were bought? no Is his eating limited in some relevant way? yopeIf so: in time? no In amount? no Is he in a movie theater? YES. GOOOOOD QUESTION!!! Now it should be a SNAP to see what's wrong!!Does he need to be quiet with the bag? That's not the problem | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3816 Registered: 2-2011 |
you can't see what colour you're getting? but he does know what these potential clients ae like? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8849 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3816 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Friday, February 01, 2013 - 7:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) you can't see what colour you're getting? yesbut he does know what these potential clients ae like? Not the point, but this is close enough for me to declare a *** SPOILER***** On a (surprise!!)"Law & Order" episode, a public defender said he liked to go to the movies & eat a whole bag of jujubes, except for the black ones, which he picked out & threw away. But as a public defender, he couldn't pick & choose. So he had to defend unsavory clients.What's wrong? He couldn't see in a dark movie theater which jujubes were black! Please see my new puzzle!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18318 Registered: 4-2010 |
Sometimes the light from the screen gives enough light to see which jujubes you're getting, so it could work. Depends on where you're sitting. But a good puzzle. | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 969 Registered: 5-2008 |
Hehe... I've this image of him opening a bag in the cinema, exclaiming "Agh! Not again!", and throwing them all away. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8859 Registered: 8-2001 |
Public defenders aren't paid well enough to afford to throw away a whole bag of candy!! |
