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In trying to explain why he had to defend very unsavory criminals, a public defender used an obviously false analogy. What was it?
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Does the analogy involve people? animals? plants? food? religion? politics? sports? tangible objects?

Are the exact crimes relevant?
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Does the analogy involve people?no animals? no plants? no food? yesreligion? nopolitics? no sports? no tangible objects? yes
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Are the exact crimes relevant?no
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Does he compare the criminals to untasty food?
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Does he compare the criminals to untasty food? yes, now you need to find out the specifics
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Did he compare them to a specific type of food? Did he compare defending criminals to eating nasty food? Did he compare the criminals to food that is good for you but tastes bad? Rotten/spoiled food? Bland food? Food that is an acquired taste?

Did his justification involve the fact that a fair justice system required everyone to have a decent defence? The fact that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise? The fact that defending a person does not mean he believes them innocent? Does not mean he sympathises or agrees with them at all?
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Is his wife's cooking involved?
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Did he compare them to a specific type of food? yes Did he compare defending criminals to eating nasty food? yes or yesish but you need to figure out what is wrong with his analogyDid he compare the criminals to food that is good for you but tastes bad? noRotten/spoiled food? no Bland food? Food that is an acquired taste? no

Did his justification involve the fact that a fair justice system required everyone to have a decent defence? yes The fact that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise? yesish The fact that defending a person does not mean he believes them innocent? yope Does not mean he sympathises or agrees with them at all? yesish
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Is his wife's cooking involved?no
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Was the analogy wrong because the analogous situation he talked about does not exist? Because there is a key difference between it and the situation of the lawyer?

Would it help to work out what type of food he compared the criminals to?

Did he say anything along the lines of 'you don't know whether food tastes nice till you eat it, and I don't know if my clients are guilty when I defend them'? Did he suggest that he has to defend the clients just like one might sometimes have to eat food one doesn't like? Did he compare defending the criminals to eating nasty food but not spitting it out or complaining about it?
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Was the analogy wrong because the analogous situation he talked about does not exist? yesish Because there is a key difference between it and the situation of the lawyer? yesish

Would it help to work out what type of food he compared the criminals to? yes

Did he say anything along the lines of 'you don't know whether food tastes nice till you eat it, and I don't know if my clients are guilty when I defend them'? noDid he suggest that he has to defend the clients just like one might sometimes have to eat food one doesn't like? noDid he compare defending the criminals to eating nasty food but not spitting it out or complaining about it? no
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Was the food sweet? Savoury? A fruit? Vegetable? Meat? Is it a single ingredient? A dish made with several ingredients? Is it served hot? Cold?
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Did he compare them to fruit? vegetables? fish? meat? dairy products? grain products? sweets?

Sour food? Bitter food? Spicy food?
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Oops, I should have refreshed the page. Sorry for cross-posting.
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Was the food sweet? yesSavoury? noA fruit? noVegetable? no Meat? noIs it a single ingredient? noA dish made with several ingredients? yesishIs it served hot? room tempCold? see previous answer
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Did he compare them to fruit? no vegetables? nofish? no meat? no dairy products? nograin products? nosweets? yes

Sour food? no Bitter food? noSpicy food? no
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A special kind of sweets? Or sweets in general?
If the former, cake? pastries? chocolate? chocolate bars? pudding? hard candy? fudge? wine gum? marshmallows? jelly beans? liquorice? lollipops? ice cream?
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A special kind of sweets? yes Or sweets in general? no
If the former, cake? nopastries? nochocolate? nochocolate bars? no pudding? no hard candy? no fudge? no wine gum? jujubes, actually, but wine gum would work, too marshmallows? nojelly beans? that would work, too liquorice? nolollipops? noice cream? no
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Relevant that they come in different flavours? Some of which are considered less delicious than others?
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Does the obvious falseness of the analogy have to do with the fact that different people like different foods/flavours, whereas pretty much everyone dislikes horrible criminals? Is it obviously false in that he assumes everyone feels a certain way about the food, and you don't? Or you know that some people don't?
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Does the obvious falseness of the analogy have to do with the fact that different people like different foods/flavours, whereas pretty much everyone dislikes horrible criminals? noIs it obviously false in that he assumes everyone feels a certain way about the food, and you don't? no Or you know that some people don't? no
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It looks like you forgot my questions...
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does he refer to the fact that you can't just eat the red and black ones - you have to buy the whole packet?
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Relevant that they come in different flavours?yes Some of which are considered less delicious than others? yes

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It looks like you forgot my questions... rectified (see above), with my apologies!!
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does he refer to the fact that you can't just eat the red and black ones - you have to buy the whole packet? yes
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I know that you can in fact buy a whole bag of only red and black fruit pastilles, and possibly other sweets as well (because the makers know these are most people's favourite) - is that why the analogy is wrong? Is it because you can choose to not eat any sweets you dislike, but criminals must be defended?
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I know that you can in fact buy a whole bag of only red and black fruit pastilles, and possibly other sweets as well (because the makers know these are most people's favourite) - is that why the analogy is wrong? no Is it because you can choose to not eat any sweets you dislike, but criminals must be defended? no
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So is the analogy he uses that of buying a packet of sweets despite the fact that you don't like some flavours? Where the unsavoury criminals are represented by the least good flavours and the ones you don't mind defending by the nicest flavours?

Does the wrong analogy suggest that he does not have the correct attitude to his job? Because a defender should view all his clients as equal and work equally hard to prove them innocent? He shouldn't see them as criminals before they get found guilty? Shouldn't decide in advance which ones he thinks are bad people/guilty?

Is it wrong because even the least nice flavours of sweets are still pretty nice, whereas criminals aren't?
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is it wrong because you don't actually have to eat the others? you could give them away? or throw throw them away?
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Is it wrong because of some alternative solution he ignores? or because an element of the specific claim he makes is factually incorrect e.g. he implies they're all the same colour though they are not?
Is the error he makes in some way a common mistake made with regards to this particular kind of sweet?
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So is the analogy he uses that of buying a packet of sweets despite the fact that you don't like some flavours? yesWhere the unsavoury criminals are represented by the least good flavours and the ones you don't mind defending by the nicest flavours? yes

Does the wrong analogy suggest that he does not have the correct attitude to his job? noBecause a defender should view all his clients as equal and work equally hard to prove them innocent? no He shouldn't see them as criminals before they get found guilty? no Shouldn't decide in advance which ones he thinks are bad people/guilty? no

Is it wrong because even the least nice flavours of sweets are still pretty nice, whereas criminals aren't? no
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is it wrong because you don't actually have to eat the others? noyou could give them away? no or throw throw them away? no
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Is it wrong because of some alternative solution he ignores? no or because an element of the specific claim he makes is factually incorrect yese.g. he implies they're all the same colour though they are not? that's not it
Is the error he makes in some way a common mistake made with regards to this particular kind of sweet? no
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Is the wrong element to do with:
the taste of the sweets? The taste of a specific sweet?
The flavours available? The relative tastiness of these? Does he mention a flavour that isn't actually available?
The packaging?
The way of eating the sweets?
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Is the wrong element to do with:
the taste of the sweets? noThe taste of a specific sweet? no
The flavours available?no The relative tastiness of these? noDoes he mention a flavour that isn't actually available? no
The packaging? no
The way of eating the sweets? yesish
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Is the order in which people eat the sweets relevant? Relevant whether they just eat the next one in the packet or pick out particular flavours? Relevant that you know in advance what flavour you are about to eat? Eating a whole packet at once rather than over a longer time period relevant?
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Is the order in which people eat the sweets relevant? noRelevant whether they just eat the next one in the packet or pick out particular flavours? yesRelevant that you know in advance what flavour you are about to eat? yes Eating a whole packet at once rather than over a longer time period relevant? yope
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Did he claim that people always eat the sweets in order? That they pick out the ones they like to eat first? The ones they don't like?

Did he suggest that a person eating sweets has no choice over which sweet they eat, which is not true? Because they can see what the next sweet is, and choose a different one if they want?

Does he suggest that people eat sweets gradually? More slowly than they usually do? Faster than they usually do?
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Did he claim that people always eat the sweets in order? yopo That they pick out the ones they like to eat first? yopeThe ones they don't like? no

Did he suggest that a person eating sweets has no choice over which sweet they eat, which is not true? no Because they can see what the next sweet is, and choose a different one if they want? He does claim this, but. . . .

Does he suggest that people eat sweets gradually? irrel More slowly than they usually do? noFaster than they usually do? no. By the way, NO ONE eats sweets faster than I usually do!!
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that they pick out the ones they don't like so much and save the best till last?
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that they pick out the ones they don't like so much and save the best till last? no
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BIG HINT: Find out WHERE he is when he's eating the jujubes.
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In public? In private? Around other people? Alone? Inside? Outside? In a relevant building? In court? In a shop? Relevant where he is as in country? Town? Rural vs urban area?
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In public? yesishIn private? noishAround other people? usually Alone? possiblyInside? yes Outside? noIn a relevant building? yes In court? noIn a shop? noRelevant where he is as in country? less likely Town?possiblyRural vs urban area? probably urban
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Is the building a house? School? Hospital? Business? Office? Prison?

Is the lawyer specifically referring to himself eating jujubes? Or just a random person for the purpose of the analogy?
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Is the building a house? no School? noHospital? noBusiness? yope or yesishOffice? noPrison? no

Is the lawyer specifically referring to himself eating jujubes? yes Or just a random person for the purpose of the analogy? no
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Is it in his place of work? In a place that provides services? A restaurant? Bar? Vehicle? Religious building? Bank?
Is it somewhere where you can't eat jujubes?
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is it a shop? a factory?
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Is it in his place of work? no In a place that provides services? yesish or yope A restaurant? no Bar? no Vehicle? noReligious building? no Bank? no
Is it somewhere where you can't eat jujubes? no
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is it a shop? no a factory? no
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is he referring to a situation where someone offers a tube of sweets to him? and it would be against etiquette to not take the next one in line? or someone just gives him a sweet? and it would be rude not to take it?

relevant whose sweets they are? is a child offering them?
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is he referring to a situation where someone offers a tube of sweets to him? noand it would be against etiquette to not take the next one in line? no or someone just gives him a sweet? and it would be rude not to take it? no

relevant whose sweets they are? yesis a child offering them? no
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if someone offers you a sweet you don't just take the best one?
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if someone offers you a sweet you don't just take the best one? no
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if someone offers you a sweet, it's not polite to refuse, even if it's not the colour you want?
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if someone offers you a sweet, it's not polite to refuse, even if it's not the colour you want? no --also I think the satatement is false. How can it be impolite to refuse food you are offered, as long as you refuse politely?
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In the analogy, do the sweets belong to the eater? To someone else?
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In the analogy, do the sweets belong to the eater?yes To someone else? no
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Relevant how he got the sweets? If so, did he buy them? Were they given to him? Did he find them? Was he paid to take them? Did the analogy have to do with acquiring the sweets? Or only with eating them?
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Relevant how he got the sweets? see subsequent answersIf so, did he buy them? This is most likely. Were they given to him? possiblyDid he find them? very unlikely Was he paid to take them? no Did the analogy have to do with acquiring the sweets?no Or only with eating them? yes
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Eating all the sweets relevant? Sorting them? eating them in a certain order? Taking the good with the bad relevant? Is he trying to argue that it comes with the job? That he must treat all defendants alike, as he must treat all sweets alike? That he is assigned them rather than being able to choose them?
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Eating all the sweets relevant? yesih Sorting them? yeseating them in a certain order? no Taking the good with the bad relevant? yesw Is he trying to argue that it comes with the job? yesThat he must treat all defendants alike, as he must treat all sweets alike? yesThat he is assigned them rather than being able to choose them?Yes, but there is something WRONG with his analogy. Find out what!!
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Is it wrong because people eating sweets do not behave in the way he claims? Would have different reasons for their behaviour? Because you can choose what sweets you eat? Because not all sweets are treated alike? Because you can eat more than one sweet but only have one case at a time?
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Is it wrong because people eating sweets do not behave in the way he claims? yesish or yope Would have different reasons for their behaviour? no Because you can choose what sweets you eat? no Because not all sweets are treated alike?noish Because you can eat more than one sweet but only have one case at a time? no
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because you don't have to eat the sweets at all?
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Is it relevant that when choosing among assorted sweets, you're choosing between "good" and "better" (or "like more" and "like less"), as opposed to good and bad?
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because you don't have to eat the sweets at all? no (You don't??}
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Is it relevant that when choosing among assorted sweets, you're choosing between "good" and "better" (or "like more" and "like less"), as opposed to good and bad? no
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HINT: Find out where the public defender is when he's eating the jujubes.
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Where: in court? At home? Traveling? In public? In the store where they were bought? Is his eating limited in some relevant way? If so: in time? In amount? Is he in a movie theater? Does he need to be quiet with the bag?
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Where: in court? no At home? noTraveling? no In public? see next to last answer In the store where they were bought? no Is his eating limited in some relevant way? yopeIf so: in time? no In amount? no Is he in a movie theater? YES. GOOOOOD QUESTION!!! Now it should be a SNAP to see what's wrong!!Does he need to be quiet with the bag? That's not the problem
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you can't see what colour you're getting? but he does know what these potential clients ae like?
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you can't see what colour you're getting? yesbut he does know what these potential clients ae like? Not the point, but this is close enough for me to declare a

*** SPOILER*****
On a (surprise!!)"Law & Order" episode, a public defender said he liked to go to the movies & eat a whole bag of jujubes, except for the black ones, which he picked out & threw away. But as a public defender, he couldn't pick & choose. So he had to defend unsavory clients.What's wrong? He couldn't see in a dark movie theater which jujubes were black! Please see my new puzzle!!
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Sometimes the light from the screen gives enough light to see which jujubes you're getting, so it could work. Depends on where you're sitting. But a good puzzle.
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Hehe... I've this image of him opening a bag in the cinema, exclaiming "Agh! Not again!", and throwing them all away.
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Public defenders aren't paid well enough to afford to throw away a whole bag of candy!!

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