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A common riddle rests on a false assumption about what most people can determine. How come?
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Is the riddle a mathematical one? Does it require logical thinking? Lateral thinking? Is it language based? Is the answer based on wordplay?

Is it of the form where an object is described in a cryptic way and the hearer must guess the object? Eg "what has an x but no y", or "what xs but never ys"?
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Is the riddle a mathematical one? no Does it require logical thinking? yopeLateral thinking? yopeIs it language based? no Is the answer based on wordplay? no

Is it of the form where an object is described in a cryptic way and the hearer must guess the object? Eg "what has an x but no y", or "what xs but never ys"? no
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HINT: This riddle is popular with children.
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Does the riddle have a 'trick' element to the answer?
Is it usually given verbally? In writing?
Does the riddle ask 'why'? 'what'? 'who'? 'where'? 'when'? 'how'?

Does the riddle actually have an answer that the person is supposed to guess?
Does it take the form of a story?

Is the assumption to do with people's ability to determine something about a situation? A person? An object? By 'people', do you mean people who appear as part of the riddle? People who get asked the riddle?
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Does the riddle have a 'trick' element to the answer? not really
Is it usually given verbally? Do you mean orally? It could be either orally or in writing. In writing? see previous answer
Does the riddle ask 'why'? 'what'? 'who'? 'where'? 'when'? 'how'? What

Does the riddle actually have an answer that the person is supposed to guess? yes
Does it take the form of a story? no

Is the assumption to do with people's ability to determine something about a situation? yesA person? no An object? yope By 'people', do you mean people who appear as part of the riddle?yes People who get asked the riddle? yes
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Does the riddle ask what you should do in a particular situation?

Wild guess - it is the riddle with two forks in the road guarded by two guards, one of whom lies and one tells the truth? Anything like that?
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Does the riddle ask what you should do in a particular situation? no

Wild guess - it is the riddle with two forks in the road guarded by two guards, one of whom lies and one tells the truth? Anything like that? no
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Does the riddle reference the solver as 'you'? as in "What can/do/have you..."?
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Does the riddle reference the solver as 'you'? as in "What can/do/have you..."? possibly
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Does the puzzle statement mean that without that false assumption, the riddle would be unsolvable? Would have more than one possible answer? The given answer would not in fact be true?

Would the determining be done by sight? Hearing? Touch? By reasoning based on knowledge? If so, knowledge of a situation? Of human nature? Of science?
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Does the puzzle statement mean that without that false assumption, the riddle would be unsolvable? no Would have more than one possible answer? no no The given answer would not in fact be true?

Would the determining be done by sight? yes Hearing? no Touch? unlikely By reasoning based on knowledge? possibly If so, knowledge of a situation? yes Of human nature? no Of science? yes
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Is it falsely assumed that most people: can determine something, which they in reality can't? Can't determine something, which they in reality can?
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Is it falsely assumed that most people: can determine something, which they in reality can't? yes Can't determine something, which they in reality can? no
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is it to do with telling whether someone is lying?

is it to do with weight? size? sex?
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is it to do with telling whether someone is lying? no

is it to do with weight?no size? noish or yopesex? no
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distance?
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distance? The relevant situation involves only close-up observation
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Is it something that could be measured in exact units?
Does the riddle ask the difference between two or more things? Ask for a comparison between two or more things? Ask the listener to explain a situation?
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Is it something that could be measured in exact units?yope
Does the riddle ask the difference between two or more things? see next answerAsk for a comparison between two or more things? yes Ask the listener to explain a situation? no
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Pound of gold versus pound of feathers/bricks/etc? Which weighs more?
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Following on from that...is density the relevant thing that cannot be determined?
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If not density: volume? Pressure? Buoyancy? Air resistance? Monetary value?
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Quantity of something?
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Pound of gold versus pound of feathers/bricks/etc? Which weighs more?
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Following on from that...is density the relevant thing that cannot be determined? no
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If not density: volume? Pressure? Buoyancy? Air resistance? Monetary value? no to all
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Quantity of something? yes
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So is it the ability to determine the quantity of something? To count the number of something? Or to estimate the quantity?

The quantity of something countable? Of objects? People? Animals? Of something uncountable? A liquid? Solid? Gas? Abstract concept?
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So is it the ability to determine the quantity of something? yesTo count the number of something? yes Or to estimate the quantity?possibly

The quantity of something countable? yes Of objects? see next answer but onePeople? noAnimals? yesOf something uncountable? noA liquid? no Solid? yesGas? no Abstract concept? no
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animals - a particular kind of animal? mammal? bird? fish? reptile? amphibian?
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animals - a particular kind of animal? yes mammal? no bird? nofish? noreptile? no amphibian? no
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Insect? Other creepy-crawlie?
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Insect? noOther creepy-crawlie? yes
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spider? worm? slug? snail? centipede?

one that flies?
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spider? no worm? yesslug? no snail? nocentipede?no

one that flies? no
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worm as in earthworm? Some sort of intestinal/parasitic worm? worms in produce (e.g. worms that eat apples)? Other?
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Is the riddle also a joke? Intended to be humorous?

'What's worse than finding a worm in your apple?'
'Finding half a worm'

But in fact half a worm looks very similar to a full worm?
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Is the riddle also a joke? Intended to be humorous? yes

'What's worse than finding a worm in your apple?'
'Finding half a worm' yes

But in fact half a worm looks very similar to a full worm? yes

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