| Author | Message | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 459 Registered: 9-2006 |
Lisa and Julia knew something was wrong. Lisa felt relieved, and later got worried. Julia felt puzzled, and later got angry. And because Julia was so stubborn, Lisa is now relieved. I've been away for a loooong time. I hope the situation on this puzzle hasn't been posted before. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 460 Registered: 9-2006 |
Sorry, I forgot to put my name before the title and I'm not allowed to edit my post... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18208 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are Lisa and Julia both H/A/F? Did all the feelings occur in the order mentioned in the puzzle? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3403 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it relevant how much time elapsed between the different steps of the situation? Do Lisa and Julia know each other? If so, are they related (mother/daughter? sisters? cousins? aunt/niece? grandma/granddaughter?)? friends? acquaintances? co-workers? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 461 Registered: 9-2006 |
Are Lisa and Julia both H/A/F? Yes Did all the feelings occur in the order mentioned in the puzzle? Yes Is it relevant how much time elapsed between the different steps of the situation? Yes Do Lisa and Julia know each other? No If so, are they related So no (mother/daughter? sisters? cousins? aunt/niece? grandma/granddaughter?)? friends? acquaintances? co-workers? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5135 Registered: 9-2009 |
Profession of Lisa relevant? Of Julia? Did Lisa cause Julia to feel puzzled? Or angry? Something wrong: with a person? Place? Object? Situation? Julia's two feelings happened after Lisa's two first ones, correct? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 463 Registered: 9-2006 |
Profession of Lisa relevant? No Of Julia? Yes Did Lisa cause Julia to feel puzzled? No Or angry? No Something wrong: with a person? YES Place? No Object? No Situation? Yesish Julia's two feelings happened after Lisa's two first ones, correct? Correct | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2630 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is Julia a doctor or something along that way? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5140 Registered: 9-2009 |
Something wrong with: Lisa? Julia? Someone else? Is Julia a: doctor? Shrink? Cop? Lawyer? Do they meet? If so: before the events in the puzzle statement? During? After? Time elapsed between the knowing and the first relief: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Same questions about: the relief and the worry? The worry and the puzzlement? The puzzlement and the anger? The anger and the stubbornness? The stubbornness and the second relief? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 464 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is Julia a doctor or something along that way? No Something wrong with: Lisa? Julia? no to both Someone else? YES Is Julia a: doctor? no Shrink? No Cop? No, but a little bit OTRT Lawyer? No Do they meet? Julia and Lisa do not meet If so: before the events in the puzzle statement? During? After? Time elapsed between the knowing and the first relief: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? This Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Same questions about: the relief and the worry? Minutes The worry and the puzzlement? Decades The puzzlement and the anger? Days The anger and the stubbornness? Julia has always been stubborn, so no timeline here The stubbornness and the second relief? Hours or days | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5161 Registered: 9-2009 |
Someone else: HAM? HAF? Did they know the same thing was wrong, or different things? Not cop but: detective? Military? Government official? Guard? Did they both start knowing something was wrong at the same time? If not: Lisa first? Julia first? Relevant? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 469 Registered: 9-2006 |
Someone else: HAM? This HAF? Did they know the same thing was wrong, Yes...ish or different things? Not cop but: detective? Military? This Government official? Guard? Did they both start knowing something was wrong at the same time? No If not: Lisa first? Yes Julia first? No, decades later Relevant? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5195 Registered: 9-2009 |
Wrong: sickness? Lies? Identity theft? Have any of the involved committed a crime? Can we call someone else Roger? Is he alive during the whole puzzle? Part of it? None of it? Is his profession relevant? does Julia know him? does Lisa know him? Is he related to Julia? To Lisa? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 472 Registered: 9-2006 |
Wrong: sickness? YES! Lies? No Identity theft? No Have any of the involved committed a crime? Yope, highly debatable I think Can we call someone else Roger? Fine =) Is he alive during the whole puzzle? Yes Part of it? None of it? Is his profession relevant? Yes does Julia know him? DOYD of "know". Julia saw him personally, yes does Lisa know him? Yes Is he related to Julia? No To Lisa? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5202 Registered: 9-2009 |
Sickness: cancer? Contagious? Genetic? Parasitic? Bacterial? Viral? Injury? Poison? Roger's profession: military? Was it a war injury? Agent Orange relevant? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 478 Registered: 9-2006 |
Sickness: cancer? Contagious? Genetic? Parasitic? Bacterial? Viral? Injury? Poison? None Roger's profession: military? No, but OTRT Was it a war injury? No Agent Orange relevant? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 479 Registered: 9-2006 |
BLOOPER: Sickness: cancer? Contagious? Genetic? This Parasitic? Bacterial? Viral? Injury? Poison? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5209 Registered: 9-2009 |
Not military: police? Guard? Aviation? Politics? Was the disease hereditary? Roger's parents relevant? Is Lisa his parent? Did he have any kids? Relevant? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 484 Registered: 9-2006 |
Not military: police? Guard? Aviation? Politics? Not directly, but his job is related to politics Was the disease hereditary? Yes Roger's parents relevant? See next Is Lisa his parent? Yes, his mother Did he have any kids? Relevant? Irr | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 495 Registered: 9-2006 |
RECAP + HINT Roger was a small child and had a genetic disease, but no one knew until then. One day, his mother Lisa realized something was wrong with him. She felt relieved, but minutes later got worried. Decades later, Roger was a grown man. One day he and Julia met face to face. She realized something was wrong with him, felt puzzled, and days later got very angry. Because Julia was so stubborn, Roger's mum is now relieved. And because of Roger's disease, thousands of lives were saved. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1901 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did Lisa react for Roger's illness properly? Did she organize an appropriate treatment for him? Did Julia get angry for Lisa? For impoper care about Roger? Did Lisa think the disease was curable? Did Julia? Did Julia invent the effective treatment/cure for the disease? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 500 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Lisa react for Roger's illness properly? Yes Did she organize an appropriate treatment for him? Yes Did Julia get angry for Lisa? No For impoper care about Roger? No Did Lisa think the disease was curable? No Did Julia? No, and FA probably Did Julia invent the effective treatment/cure for the disease? Definitely not =) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5245 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Lisa feel relieved because she got a diagnosis for him? Did the relief happen at a doctor's office? Or a similar setting? Does she worry about Roger's health? About his future? About her own future? About someone else? About something else? Did Julia know Roger had a disease? Did she know he had that specific disease? Was she angry at: Roger? Lisa? Herself? Someone else? Noone in particular? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 526 Registered: 9-2006 |
Did Lisa feel relieved because she got a diagnosis for him? No, but OTRT Did the relief happen at a doctor's office? Yes Or a similar setting? Does she worry about Roger's health? Yes, like any mother would About his future? Yes, since the disease is incurable About her own future? Noish About someone else? No About something else?No Did Julia know Roger had a disease? NO Did she know he had that specific disease? NO Was she angry at: Roger? Yope Lisa? No Herself? This, mostly Someone else? No Noone in particular? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 527 Registered: 9-2006 |
HINT #1: Roger and Julia's jobs are relevant. You still need to find out Roger's job. We already know that Julia was military. HINT #2: The event that caused Roger to be taken to a hospital (and the thing that puzzled his mother) is important. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1927 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was Roger police officer? Government? Health care? Did he provide supplies for the military? Did Roger and Julia meet on professional ground? Did Roger have a car accident? Was he taken to hospital because of his disease? Did Julia think she should have recognized the disease? That Roger should have told her? Did Roger's disease lead to death? Cause disability? Decrease comfort of living? Were Roger and Julia in a romantic relationship? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 530 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was Roger police officer? No Government? Yesish Health care? No Did he provide supplies for the military? No Did Roger and Julia meet on professional ground? Yes, if you mean they were both doing their jobs when they met. Did Roger have a car accident? No, possible FA Was he taken to hospital because of his disease? No Did Julia think she should have recognized the disease? Yes That Roger should have told her? No Did Roger's disease lead to death? Yope Cause disability? Yesish Decrease comfort of living? Yesish Were Roger and Julia in a romantic relationship? No, far from that =) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1942 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was one of them (Roger and Julia) commander of the other? Did Roger need to be taken to hospital because of something that happened while he was doing his job? If yes, was Julia present at that time? If Roger had not had the disease, would this still have happened? Was Roger disabled because of the disease? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 537 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was one of them (Roger and Julia) commander of the other? No Did Roger need to be taken to hospital because of something that happened while he was doing his job? No, and FA. Roger was a small child when he was taken to hospital. If yes, was Julia present at that time? If Roger had not had the disease, would this still have happened? No Was Roger disabled because of the disease? DOYD of "disabled". =) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5278 Registered: 9-2009 |
Roger's job: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? Did the thing that caused Roger to be taken to hospital happen: before his mother knew something was wrong? After? At the same time? Was she relieved: before this happened? At the same time? After? After he came to the hospital? After he got the diagnose? Did the disease cause the event that sent him to the hospital? Or was it something related? Or something entirely different? Did the disease itself ever benefit Roger in any way? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 543 Registered: 9-2006 |
Roger's job: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Related to this... Government? and this Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? no to the rest Did the thing that caused Roger to be taken to hospital happen: before his mother knew something was wrong? This After? At the same time? Was she relieved: before this happened? At the same time? After? After he came to the hospital? After he got the diagnose? This Did the disease cause the event that sent him to the hospital? No Or was it something related? Noish Or something entirely different? This Did the disease itself ever benefit Roger in any way? YES | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5287 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is he a politician? Did the disease benefit him politically? Does the disease affect: brain? Muscles? Nervous system? Bone? Skin? A specific internal organ? Vision? Hearing? Teeth? Balance? Is it relevant what happened in order to send Roger to the hospital? Or is it only relevant that this led to him being examined, and eventually diagnosed? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1959 Registered: 1-2011 |
Roger got a genetic disease, but his mother Lisa did not know about it. Once something happened and Roger needed to be taken to hospital, but it was not because of the disease. Correct? Could Roger be easily cured of what caused him to be hospitalized? If yes, is this when Lisa felt relieved? Did they discover the genetic disease in the hospital? If yes, is this when Lisa felt puzzled? Years later, Roger and Julia, who is military, met while doing their jobs. Julia knew instantly that something was wrong with Roger. Correct? Is it when she felt puzzled? Then she got angry, mostly to herself, because she thought she should have recognized Roger's condition. Correct? Then Julia was stubborn, what finally caused relief to Lisa. Is Lisa relieved because Roger benefits from his disease? Did Roger do his job wrong because of the disease? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 554 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is he a politician? No Did the disease benefit him politically? So no Does the disease affect: brain? Muscles? Nervous system? Thisish Bone? Skin? A specific internal organ? Vision? Hearing? Teeth? Balance? No to the rest Is it relevant what happened in order to send Roger to the hospital? Yes Or is it only relevant that this led to him being examined, and eventually diagnosed? Roger got a genetic disease, but his mother Lisa did not know about it. Yes Once something happened and Roger needed to be taken to hospital, but it was not because of the disease. Correct? Yes, correct. Could Roger be easily cured of what caused him to be hospitalized? Yes If yes, is this when Lisa felt relieved? No Did they discover the genetic disease in the hospital? Yes If yes, is this when Lisa felt puzzled? No Years later, Roger and Julia, who is military, met while doing their jobs. Correct Julia knew instantly that something was wrong with Roger. Correct? No Is it when she felt puzzled? But yes Then she got angry, mostly to herself, because she thought she should have recognized Roger's condition. Correct? Yes Then Julia was stubborn, what finally caused relief to Lisa. Yes, but not directly. Is Lisa relieved because Roger benefits from his disease? No Did Roger do his job wrong because of the disease? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5293 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is Roger unable to feel pain? Or to feel something else? Was he hospitalized due to: injury? Sickness? Poisoning? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1973 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was Roger's disease discovered early enough to provide treatment that could improve his living? Prevent his early death? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 557 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is Roger unable to feel pain? YES! Or to feel something else? Was he hospitalized due to: injury? This Sickness? Poisoning? Was Roger`s disease discovered early enough to provide treatment that could improve his living? Yes Prevent his early death? Yesish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5344 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Lisa relieved when he got the diagnosis? But then worried because he could injure himself seriously and not notice? Was Julia puzzled because Roger should've felt pain in a situation where he did not? Did not feeling pain help him do something that would be painful to others? Or to do it better? Or longer? Was he doing something that: was dangerous? That injured him? Was Lisa worried because of Roger's profession? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 566 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was Lisa relieved when he got the diagnosis? Yes But then worried because he could injure himself seriously and not notice? Yes Was Julia puzzled because Roger should've felt pain in a situation where he did not? Yesish Did not feeling pain help him do something that would be painful to others? Not "do" Or to do it better? Or longer? This,but not "do" Was he doing something that: was dangerous? That injured him? This, but not "doing" Was Lisa worried because of Roger's profession? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1979 Registered: 1-2011 |
Has Roger been tortured? And was able to resist tortures longer? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3886 Registered: 2-2011 |
when Roger was young did he burn himself? was Julia a medic? intelligence officer? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 568 Registered: 9-2006 |
Has Roger been tortured? YES And was able to resist tortures longer? YES when Roger was young did he burn himself? Assume yes was Julia a medic? No intelligence officer? YES I think we have enough for a... ************SPOILER****************************** Roger was born with a very rare genetic disease, called "Congenital insensitivity to pain". People with this disease are not able to feel any kind of pain. No one in his family knew about his condition. One day, when he was still a small child, boiling water fell from a mug over his arm and caused 2nd degree burns. His mother saw it happen and was puzzled to see that her son didn't even cry: he acted as if nothing had happened. She took him immediately to the hospital. Some hours later, the doctor came and told her that, after performing some clinical tests, he was almost certain that Roger had some sort of congenital insensitivity to pain. Lisa felt relieved, because she thought he would have a wonderful life (after all, wouldn't it be nice to live without feeling pain?). But the doctor explained her it was in fact the opposite: he could get injured and not take notice of it, he could have some health emergency (such as appendicitis) and never notice it until it was too late, etc. From that day on, Roger would have to be very cautious to everything he did, and check often if he didn't get injured. Decades later, Roger was now a spy. He was on a mission in enemy territory when he was caught and taken to interrogation. Julia, an intelligence officer of the enemy, was the one in charge of the interrogation. She was openly sadist, and also very stubborn: she thought her interrogation methods (which caused pain) often gave better results than other methods (e.g. suffocation, waterboarding, sleep deprivation etc). She spent several hours and a few days applying painful methods of torture, and thought there was something wrong with Roger's responses to pain. Sometimes, his screams would not correspond exactly with the time she applied the method. But she couldn't determine exactly what was going wrong. Eventually, Roger got rescued and Julia never got the answer she needed. Julia finally learned about that rare disease and couldn't forgive herself for not realizing it earlier. Because of her stubborness (in applying only painful methods of torture), Roger could stand much longer than normal people and didn't say anything that could compromise his country. And Lisa, now an old lady, is now relieved for having his son back home. Congratulations to all of you who participated in this puzzle! |
