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Enjay (Enjay)
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My most recently solved puzzle involved the actions taken by Ron to establish an alibi for the murder of his friend Trevor, taken from a mystery novel. I feel that the motive involved in that crime was also quite an interesting one deserving of a puzzle, so can you figure out what it was?

If you didn't take part in that puzzle, all you need to know to start is that Ron murdered his friend Trevor. And again, if you've read it, please don't spoil!
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were they still friends up to the point of the murder?

did Trevor know something about Ron that Ron couldn't let be known?

had Trevor threatened Ron in some way?

some sort of love triangle?

had Ron just found out something about Trevor?
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were they still friends up to the point of the murder? Yes

did Trevor know something about Ron that Ron couldn't let be known? No

had Trevor threatened Ron in some way? No

some sort of love triangle? No

had Ron just found out something about Trevor? Yes
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It took me a few reads to understand the motive, and it definitely will make a great puzzle! (My lips... er, keyboard is sealed.)
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was it a revenge killing?
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was it a revenge killing? No
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Is inheritance relevant? Was it a mercy killing?
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Is inheritance relevant? Was it a mercy killing? No to both
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Hint: what is probably the most common basic motive for murders, certainly in mystery novels at least?
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jealousy? anger? money?
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jealousy? anger? money? This! Ron stood to gain a substantial amount of money if Trevor died. The interesting part of the puzzle is why this was the case.
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Was there a relevant bet? Insurance money?
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Was there a relevant bet? Insurance money? No to both
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did Trevor know Ron would benefit from his death?

were they co-owners of something? joint inheritors?

is it a tantime? (which I still don't know how to spell)
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did Trevor know Ron would benefit from his death? If he'd thought about it he could have realised it, but I don't think he did

were they co-owners of something? No or noish joint inheritors? No

is it a tantime? (which I still don't know how to spell) A tontine? No
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Did this relate to a patent/invention they were both involved with? a business? Did Ron want to sell something? But Trevor had prevented it?
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Did this relate to a patent No/invention Noish they were both involved with? a business? No Did Ron want to sell something? No But Trevor had prevented it?
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a discovery?
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a discovery? No
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Was an insurance policy involved? Was Trevor's wife rich? Did they share an estate?
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Was an insurance policy involved? No Was Trevor's wife rich? Irrel; he was unmarried Did they share an estate? No

Hint: figure out the exact channel through which Ron received the money (he didn't inherit it)
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was a bribe involved? was it a salary? did Ron sell something?

Would Ron would have received some money even if Trevor had lived, but received more upon Trevor's death? Or did Trevor have to die for him to receive any money at all?
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was a bribe involved? was it a salary? did Ron sell something? No to all

Would Ron would have received some money even if Trevor had lived, but received more upon Trevor's death? No Or did Trevor have to die for him to receive any money at all? Yes
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was the money a prize? a reward? a payment?
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was the money a prize? This a reward? a payment?
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Recap: Ron murdered his friend Trevor. As a result, Ron won a lot of money. Had Trevor lived, Ron would not have received any. Ron found out something about Trevor, which led him to commit the murder. There were not co-owners of something, but this is vaguely along the right lines.
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Was there a price on Trevor's head? "Wanted: Trevor Lateral-Character, Dead or Alive, $1,000,000"? Or something along those lines?
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Was there a price on Trevor's head? "Wanted: Trevor Lateral-Character, Dead or Alive, $1,000,000"? Or something along those lines? No, nothing like this
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Was a lottery ticket involved? Some other form of gambling?
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Was a lottery ticket involved? No Some other form of gambling? Not gambling but OTRT
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was the thing Ron found out about Trevor:
A disease, condition or disability of Trevor's? if so, physical? mental/psychological?
related to Trevor's financial situation?
some action of Trevor's that was underhanded and extralegal? (which is to say, illegal, of course =P)
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was the thing Ron found out about Trevor:
A disease, condition or disability of Trevor's? if so, physical? mental/psychological? No to all
related to Trevor's financial situation? Yes
some action of Trevor's that was underhanded and extralegal? (which is to say, illegal, of course =P) No, although Trevor had committed a tiny bit of relevant deception...
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Was a contest involved?
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Was a contest involved? Yes
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Were Ron and Trevor both participating in the contest? Were they the last two participants? Had Ron not previously known that Trevor was in the contest?
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Were Ron and Trevor both participating in the contest? Yope, explore Were they the last two participants? Not sure what you mean? Had Ron not previously known that Trevor was in the contest? No, he knew
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had Trevor won the contest?

did Trevor not know that he was involved in a contest?
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had Trevor won the contest? Yes

did Trevor not know that he was involved in a contest? He knew
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Did Trevor know that he had won? Would Ron get the prize if Trevor didn't claim it? Had Trevor claimed the prize before he was murdered? Was it a skiing contest? Relevant what the contest was about?
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Did Trevor know that he had won? NO, good q Would Ron get the prize if Trevor didn't claim it? Yes, explore why Had Trevor claimed the prize before he was murdered? No Was it a skiing contest? No Relevant what the contest was about? Not the precise subject but the type of contest is relevant
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Did Ron also participate in the same contest? Did Ron get second place in the contest? Was the contest a form of bet? Did Trevor and Ron make a bet? Had Trevor cheated?
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Did Ron also participate in the same contest? YOPE, explore Did Ron get second place in the contest? No Was the contest a form of bet? No Did Trevor and Ron make a bet? No Had Trevor cheated? Yope
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was it some form of lottery?

was it a contest where people vote for a winner?

was it the first to complete a certain action?

had Ron entered the contest in Trevor's name? was Ron not eligible to compete?
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was it some form of lottery? Similar, though it was not based purely on chance

was it a contest where people vote for a winner? No

was it the first to complete a certain action? No

had Ron entered the contest in Trevor's name? YES was Ron not eligible to compete? he was, but...
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Did Trevor ask Ron to enter him? If so, relevant why? Did Ron do anything relevant to increase the chances of winning? Does he feel that the winnings belong to him? Or partially belong to him? Does Trevor know he won? Are they in conflict over how/whether to share the winnings?
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Sorry, I got my names mixed up - in fact, Trevor entered the contest in Ron's name! I'll answer your below questions taking my blooper into account.

Did Trevor ask Ron to enter him? Trevor entered himself If so, relevant why?
Did Ron do anything relevant to increase the chances of winning? Ron did not but Trevor did Does he feel that the winnings belong to him? Ron doesn't feel they belong to him, but he wants them Or partially belong to him?
Does Trevor know he won? NO Are they in conflict over how/whether to share the winnings? Yope
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Recap/hint:
Ron killed his friend Trevor and by doing so, gained a lot of money in the form of a prize. Prior to his death, Trevor had entered the contest in Ron's name. Trevor did this to increase his chances of winning, but not because Trevor was ineligible to compete.

The type of competition is not really relevant, so I'll tell you that it was a contest run by a newspaper. To solve, why did Trevor enter the contest in Ron's name, and why did killing Trevor make Ron rich?
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Did Ron then get the prize? Was there no photo of the winner?
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Did Ron then get the prize? Yes Was there no photo of the winner? Irrel
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did Trevor not want anyone to know he'd entered the competition? is Trevor famous? would it harm his reputation for it to be known he'd entered the competition?

is it because he had some inside knowledge? or was connected in some way with the newspaper?

when Trevor won, did the notification go straight to Ron?
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did Trevor not want anyone to know he'd entered the competition? Not this is Trevor famous? Nowould it harm his reputation for it to be known he'd entered the competition? No

is it because he had some inside knowledge? or was connected in some way with the newspaper? No to both

when Trevor won, did the notification go straight to Ron? Yes

Hint: Trevor also sent in a competition entry under his own name, and probably more under several other people's names. By chance, the one under Ron's name won, and as Trevor was the only person who knew about the deception Ron killed Trevor so he could keep the winnings. The final details are why Trevor sent in multiple entries in the first place (which should be easy) and why he specifically chose Ron for one of them.
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Did he do it: for a greater chance of winning? To keep the others from entering (if only one entry per person as allowed)? Were the entries judged? Picked randomly? Picked with bias? If entry quality is relevant, were the entries of: good quality? Bad? Varying?
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Did he do it: for a greater chance of winning? Yes To keep the others from entering (if only one entry per person as allowed)? No Were the entries judged? Yes Picked randomly? Picked with bias? Yes, or at least Trevor thought so If entry quality is relevant, were the entries of: good quality? Bad? Varying? Irrel
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Did he think he'd have a better chance of winning if he entered as someone else? did he think the judges were: biased against him? Biased towards someone else? If someone else of the fake entries had won, had he killed that person? Was murder part of the plan from the beginning?
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Did he think he'd have a better chance of winning if he entered as someone else? Yes did he think the judges were: biased against him? Yes - not him individually, but against something about him, explore Biased towards someone else? See last answer If someone else of the fake entries had won, had he killed that person? No - remember that Trevor sent in an entry under Ron's name and address, so when that entry won Ron received the prize, and he killed Trevor so that he could keep the prize and not have to give it to Trevor Was murder part of the plan from the beginning? No
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is there something about Trevor's name that reveals something about him? his country of origin? ethnic origin?

or his address?

has he a title?
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is there something about Trevor's name that reveals something about him? his country of origin? ethnic origin? No to these

or his address? Yes

has he a title? No, but very much OTRT
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Gonna spoil this one, as most of the pieces are there and it's not getting any interest.

*****SPOILER*****
Trevor liked to enter newspaper competitions. To increase his chances of winning, he would often send in several entries under different names (the names of people he knew). His address was a grand-sounding one (Sittaford House) and he felt that the competition judges would be more likely to give the prize to a more 'ordinary' sounding person. One of the entries he sent in was under the name and address of Ron, who had a common sounding address. When that entry won the grand prize, Ron killed Trevor, since he was the only person who knew that the entry wasn't Ron's and his death allowed Ron to keep the prize.
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thanks Enjay. Maybe the others stayed away because they'd read the book.

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