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Enjay (Enjay)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A particular pastime of mine means that I have several zoffs. What is a zoff?
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Is it an object? a situation? a person?

The pastime - sports? something creative? something music-related? something culture-related? travelling? reading? Is it a common pastime?
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Is it an object? a situation? a person? No to all, situation is closest

The pastime - sports? something creative? something music-related? something culture-related? Noish, no to others travelling? reading?
Is it a common pastime? Relatively I would imagine
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Is it an appointment? an obligation? a feeling? a privilege?

Is it something you need in order to do the pastime in question? something you get from doing it?

Is it more of an active pastime? or a passive one? (e.g. acting vs. watching a play)
Is it done alone? in groups? indoors? outdoors?
Is it a game? chess?
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Is it an appointment? an obligation? a feeling? a privilege? No to all

Is it something you need in order to do the pastime in question? You don't need it but it helps once you have it something you get from doing it? Yes

Is it more of an active pastime? or a passive one? (e.g. acting vs. watching a play) More active
Is it done alone? Usually this in groups? Could be this indoors? {Yes} outdoors? No
Is it a game? Yesish chess? No
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Is it a skill? a piece of knowledge (for example, there are certain words that many scrabble players have in their memory that few others do)? a membership at a particular venue?

Speaking of the last one, is the pastime something indoors? outdoors? can one play it virtually anywhere? or only in places specifically built/created for the purpose?
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Is it a skill? a piece of knowledge This (for example, there are certain words that many scrabble players have in their memory that few others do) Not this, but OTRT? a membership at a particular venue?

Speaking of the last one, is the pastime something indoors? Yes outdoors? No can one play it virtually anywhere? Yes or only in places specifically built/created for the purpose? No
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Is the pastime some kind of puzzle?
Is it solitaire?

Do you need any equipment to do it?
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Rubik's cubes?
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Is the pastime some kind of puzzle? Yesish
Is it solitaire? No

Do you need any equipment to do it? Yes

Rubik's cubes? No
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Is it sudoko? Some other kind of number puzzle? word puzzles? logic puzzles?

The equipment - a pen? paper? cards? a computer?
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Is it sudoko? No Some other kind of number puzzle? No word puzzles? Noish logic puzzles? No

The equipment - a pen? paper? cards? a computer? I do it on the computer, though it is possible to do it in other ways
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When you do it on the computer, do you do it online? When it's done in other ways, is a book required?
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When you do it on the computer, do you do it online? Yes When it's done in other ways, is a book required? Yes, or similar printed material at least
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Code-breaking?
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Code-breaking? No
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How has this proceeded this far without someone asking: Is the pasttime lateral puzzles? :)

Does the pasttime involve multiple puzzles? Do you usually collect one zoff per puzzle? Can you get more than one zoff in a puzzle? Do you always get a zoff with each puzzle?
Do you get zoff's from presenting the puzzles to others? from solving puzzles presented to you? from observing others solving puzzles? from seeing the puzzle being presented and also the solution, without necessarily knowing the steps in between?
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How has this proceeded this far without someone asking: Is the pasttime lateral puzzles? I was also wondering this...but it's not :-(

Does the pasttime involve multiple puzzles? Yes Do you usually collect one zoff per puzzle? Not necessarily Can you get more than one zoff in a puzzle? Yes Do you always get a zoff with each puzzle? No
Do you get zoff's from presenting the puzzles to others? No from solving puzzles presented to you? Yes from observing others solving puzzles? Could be this from seeing the puzzle being presented and also the solution, without necessarily knowing the steps in between? Could be this

Just as a note - 'puzzles' is OK, but there is a slightly better word for the pastime.
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Is a zoff a fact? a solving technique? a mnemonic? a word?
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Is a zoff a fact? This a solving technique? a mnemonic? a word?
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Is the pastime in question some kind of quiz?

Are the facts all related to the same subject? To several subjects?

Are the facts the only thing you need to solve the puzzles?
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Is the pastime in question some kind of quiz? YES, the pastime is quizzes (mainly trivia type quizzes)

Are the facts all related to the same subject? To several subjects? Several

Are the facts the only thing you need to solve the puzzles? Yes, though not all of the facts are zoffs
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Are zoffs facts that might come in handy for more than one question? or the answers to the most common questions?
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Are zoffs facts that might come in handy for more than one question? Usually or the answers to the most common questions? Or this
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Hint: Biograd's guess regarding Scrabble players knowing words that others don't was on the right track. You've established that a zoff is a fact which serves as the answer to a question or questions in my hobby of trivia quizzes. There is only a little more.
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Pub quizzes relevant? Pubs?
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Pub quizzes relevant? Pubs? Pub quizzes could be relevant, in actual fact I tend to get my zoffs from online quizzes but have also got some from pub quizzes. Pubs themselves are not relevant.
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Can you get zoffs from somewhere besides quizzes? Does the z in zoff come from the z in quiz? Do you get them by answering a quiz? By seeing someone else's answers? A zoff is one fact that can help you answer several different questions, correct? Questions about the same subject?
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Can you get zoffs from somewhere besides quizzes? No Does the z in zoff come from the z in quiz? Yes, but the etymology is not straightforward here Do you get them by answering a quiz? Yes By seeing someone else's answers? Could be this A zoff is one fact that can help you answer several different questions, correct? Often but not always Questions about the same subject? Probably but not necessarily
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Is a zoff a fact obtained by guessing the correct answer to a quiz question, which you can then put to use if the same question is asked in another quiz?
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Is a zoff a fact obtained by guessing the correct answer to a quiz question, which you can then put to use if the same question is asked in another quiz? Yes - I think that's enough for the

*****SPOILER*****
A zoff is a fact which often comes up in trivia quizzes, but which I only know because it has come up in a quiz and not from discovering it in any real-world sense. For example, I could quote word for word plenty of quotes from 'classic' films I have never seen, and also tell you who starred in and directed them. I also know plenty of obscure world capitals for no other reason that they have come up repeatedly in quizzes. If anyone has the problem that they are getting too much work done, I recommend www.sporcle.com to solve that once and for all.
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Capitals, hmm? What's the capital of:
1. Luxembourg
2. Monaco
3. Andorra
4. Liechtenstein
5. San Marino
6. Azerbajian
7. Tajikstan
8. Kyrgyzstan
9. Lesotho
10. Swaziland

Without Googlepedia, how many can you answer? =)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 9:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

1)Luxembourg
2)Monaco
3)Andorra La Vella
4)Vaduz
5)I'm gonna guess San Marino?
6)Baku (I know this one because the Eurovision song contest was there :p)
7)Pass
8)Bishkek
9)Pass
10)Pass

Just checked and I guessed right about San Marino.
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Easy. L, M, A, L, S... wait, wrong kind of capital...
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Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 - 5:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh and by the way, 'zoff' is vaguely derived from the letters in 'quiz information' but I didn't want to give too much away with a standard acronym!

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