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Beachbum (Beachbum)
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A man has this routine: he comes home from work, then waits a variable amount of time, and then closes doors A and C. After another period of time, he opens door A (and leaves it open), and closes door B. When he wakes up he opens doors B and C, so that all three doors are open. What's going on?
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Are the three doors all the same size?
Are the doors at the entrance/exit to a room? Some of them?
Are the doors at the entrance/exit to a building? Some of them?
Does the man live in a free-standing house? In an apartment/condo inside a multi-unit building?
Does the man live alone? Does he have any pets?
Are his actions affected by the weather at all?
Are his actions done to deter burglars?
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Is it to allow the cleaning lady in?
Allow pets in or out?
Allow family members in/out?
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When he arrives home from work were doors A and C open already?
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Are any of them on cages?
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Are all of the doors real? Or are there fictional ones among them (e.g. in a computer game)?
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Are the three doors all the same size? Yes
Are the doors at the entrance/exit to a room? Some of them? All of them
Are the doors at the entrance/exit to a building? Some of them? None of themDoes the man live in a free-standing house? In an apartment/condo inside a multi-unit building? Townhouse but irrel
Does the man live alone? DOYD Does he have any pets? Yes!
Are his actions affected by the weather at all? Of course, but not in a way that's relevant to this puzzle.
Are his actions done to deter burglars? No

Is it to allow the cleaning lady in?
Allow pets in or out? This one!
Allow family members in/out?

When he arrives home from work were doors A and C open already? Yes, in fact doors A,B, and C were open

Are any of them on cages? No

Are all of the doors real? This Or are there fictional ones among them (e.g. in a computer game)?

Seems as though this will be a very quick puzzle. You already know that the reason I open and close the doors is to let pets (two cats, to be exact) in or out.
Only thing left is to figure out the details. I will tell you that between A-B and B-C doors there is each one room. And the other sides of both doors A and C, both lead to the same third room.
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Slight BLOOPER: Obviously, the reason I OPEN the doors is to let the cats in or out. The reason I would CLOSE a door is obviously to prevent this!
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is "after another period of time" bedtime?
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Ignoring doors to get in and out of the relevant three, is this the correct layout of doors and rooms?
Room 1
B
Room 2
A
C
Room 3

Is it relevant on which side of each door you are on when you open and close them and if/how you leave these three rooms?

Could both cats be treated as one cat? or is it relevant there are two of them?
Does at least one cat sleep in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? relevant?
Does at least one cat eat in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? relevant?
Does at least one cat have a litter tray in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? relevant?

Is there a catflap anywhere that's relevant? on door A? door B? door C?

Is Room 1 a kitchen? sitting room? utility space? bedroom? bathroom?
Is Room 2 a kitchen? sitting room? utility space? bedroom? bathroom?
Is Room 3 a kitchen? sitting room? utility space? bedroom? bathroom?
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is "after another period of time" bedtime? Yes

Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2013 - 3:28 Ignoring doors to get in and out of the relevant three, is this the correct layout of doors and rooms? Yes - thanks for the diagram!

Is it relevant on which side of each door you are on when you open and close them and if/how you leave these three rooms? Yes

Could both cats be treated as one cat? Yes.

As a matter of fact, from here out, let's say for simplicity there is only one cat.


or is it relevant there are two of them? Well there aren't anymore - at least for this puzzle :-)

Does at least one cat sleep in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? relevant? The cat sleeps at times in all three rooms - However, there is a period of time when the cat when the cat can't sleep in room 2, and likewise for room 3

Does at least one cat eat in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? The cat only eats in room 3
relevant? Yes - Explore

Does at least one cat have a litter tray in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? The only litter tray is in room 3 relevant? Yes, and interestingly I just realized this, now that you asked!


Is there a catflap anywhere that's relevant? on door A? door B? door C? No catflaps

Is Room 1 a kitchen? sitting room? utility space? Closest to this, it's a computer/music room bedroom? bathroom?

Is Room 2 a kitchen? sitting room? utility space? bedroom? This bathroom?
Is Room 3 a kitchen? sitting room? utility space? bedroom? bathroom? Well, it's the bottom level of my townhouse which includes a kitchen area, living area, and a small bathroom. It has a certain property that is relevant.
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Does at least one cat sleep in Room 1? Room 2? Room 3? relevant?

BLOOPER: The cat can sleep in all three rooms, except that there is a period of time when the cat can't sleep in room 1 and likewise for room 2.
And Yes, this is relevant.

(I incorrectly stated rooms 2 and 3 instead of 1 and 2 before)
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Totally confused, but is the root of this that you don't want the cat sleeping in your bedroom when you're sleeping?
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Totally confused, but is the root of this that you don't want the cat sleeping in your bedroom when you're sleeping? That's part of it, yes, but there is something else that's important.
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New diagram:
Study
B
Bedroom
A
 
C
Living Space

Also, lets note the 4 relevant moments in time:
(1) You come home. Doors A, B, and C are all open.
(2) You close doors A and C.
(3) You open A and close B.
(4) You open B and C.

Established/semi-established details:
A variable amount of time passes between (1) and (2)?
An amount of time passes between (2) and (3)?
Between (3) and (4) you sleep?
After (4) you go to out to work? presumably by some front door connected to the living space not relevant to the movements of the cat?
The cat mainly lives, eats, and sleeps in the living space? and given its litter tray is there, has constant access to it?
The cat is permitted during the day to sleep in your room? but is not allowed to sleep there when you're using it? relevant why? that it might keep you awake?

Is the time you leave between (1) and (2) due to waiting for the cat to leave the Study and/or Bedroom spaces? Do you entice it out by filling its food bowl at this point? and/or playing with it/ giving it attention?
Between (2) and (3), the cat is in the living space? and you are in the Study and/or Bedroom? doing important things? relaxing?
Between (3) and (4) you give the cat access to the study and go to bed? do you give it access to the study so that it can wake you in the morning by coming to door B? or because you just don't mind where it goes then except for staying out of your bedroom?
At (4) you open door B to let the cat in to your bedroom? or otherwise acknowledge it? and open door C to enter the living space? to feed the cat and yourself breakfast? does door C survive any particular purpose other than perhaps being a faster route to the living space, i.e. could your reasons for manipulating doors A and B be sufficient to explain the full set of scenarios?

Are any of these manipulations of doors purely for yourself? or do you expect your cat to always use of each of them? need use of each of them?
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Also, lets note the 4 relevant moments in time:
(1) You come home. Doors A, B, and C are all open.
(2) You close doors A and C.
(3) You open A and close B.
(4) You open B and C.

Established/semi-established details:
A variable amount of time passes between (1) and (2)?
An amount of time passes between (2) and (3)?
Between (3) and (4) you sleep?
After (4) you go to out to work? presumably by some front door connected to the living space not relevant to the movements of the cat? Yes to the above.

The cat mainly lives, eats, and sleeps in the living space? and given its litter tray is there, has constant access to it? Noish. The cat often will be upstairs (the study or the bedroom). Also you don't need to focus at all on the litter box to solve this.
The cat is permitted during the day to sleep in your room? but is not allowed to sleep there when you're using it? Well, not just sleep. I just don't want him in the room while I'm sleeping relevant why? Yes that it might keep you awake? Yes!

So this part of the puzzle is solved. You just need to find the second reason for the door manipulations.


Is the time you leave between (1) and (2) due to waiting for the cat to leave the Study and/or Bedroom spaces? Yes Do you entice it out by filling its food bowl at this point? No! - explore! and/or playing with it/ giving it attention? No, not usually, only because it doesn't usually work

Between (2) and (3), the cat is in the living space? Yes and you are in the Study and/or Bedroom? No, I'm in the living space doing important things? Well, relevant to the puzzle there are two important things I do that have to do relating to the cat relaxing? I could do this as well, irrel

Between (3) and (4) you give the cat access to the study and go to bed? Yes do you give it access to the study so that it can wake you in the morning by coming to door B? No or because you just don't mind where it goes then except for staying out of your bedroom? Yes
At (4) you open door B to let the cat in to your bedroom? Yes, if it wants to or otherwise acknowledge it? and this and open door C to enter the living space? Yes to feed the cat and yourself breakfast? And this does door C survive any particular purpose other than perhaps being a faster route to the living space, No, it's just a faster route i.e. could your reasons for manipulating doors A and B be sufficient to explain the full set of scenarios? Yes, if I understand what your asking. Instead
of door C there could be a wall, and then only doors A and B would be involved


Are any of these manipulations of doors purely for yourself? Well, they all have to do with the cat or do you expect your cat to always use of each of them? need use of each of them? Sorry, but I'm not specifically what your asking. Could you rephrase?

Good questions!
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My last questions were to fully ascertain the information the previous ones uncovered.

So you come home and shut yourself and the cat out of the Study and Bedroom areas? Then later open the door A and close door B to go to bed without the cat in the room? but when you go to work you don't mind if the cat goes in your bedroom? or anywhere in the house for that matter?

Might the cat ever not go upstairs for days? relevant? are you ever giving it access to something specific in one of the upstairs rooms?

Could your aims be satisfied by coming home and closing just B and C? or A and B? Is there a specific reason why you don't want the cat in the Study between (2) and (3)? or in the Bedroom between (2) and (3)?

Do you feed the cat between (2) and (3)? relevant?
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So you come home and shut yourself and the cat out of the Study and Bedroom areas? Then later open the door A and close door B to go to bed without the cat in the room? but when you go to work you don't mind if the cat goes in your bedroom? or anywhere in the house for that matter? Yes these are all correct

Might the cat ever not go upstairs for days? Interesting question - Yes, when I'm not home for a few daysrelevant? Yes are you ever giving it access to something specific in one of the upstairs rooms? No

Could your aims be satisfied by coming home and closing just B and C? No, because there is a certain property that the living area has that the study and bedroom don't or A and B? See previous Is there a specific reason why you don't want the cat in the Study between (2) and (3)? Yes or in the Bedroom between (2) and (3)? Yes

Do you feed the cat between (2) and (3)? Yes relevant? Yes
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*as per chatroom request, gives the kittehz (including the one that disappeared) all teh cheezburgerz* Will come and take a look at this after I've gotten some sleep...=)
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Don't worry, the second kitteh is just hiding for the time being. She will make her reappearance in the $poiler.
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is one cat on a diet?
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is one cat on a diet? No. Also remember the two cats can be treated as one for this puzzle.
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Can they haz cheezburgur? (Tortiesibling says cats should not, actually. Spoilsport...)
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They can haz the burgur but only at a certain point in the sequence of events.
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Yay ^_^
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Can they haz the burgur between 1 and 2? between 2 and 3? between 3 and 4? between 4 and 1? during 1? 2? 3? 4?
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To recat, the points in time are:
(1) You come home. Doors A, B, and C are all open.
(2) You close doors A and C.
(3) You open A and close B.
(4) You open B and C.


Can they haz the burgur between 1 and 2? No
between 2 and 3? Yesish - only for part of this time and this is important
between 3 and 4? Yes, although it's not the best time to actually serve it because of the same important thing between 4 and 1? Yes but only if I served it before (because I will be mostly asleep) during 1? 2? 3? 4? Not sure what you mean - these are only points in time not time periods so I suppose No
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BLOOPER: Yes, shortly after 4 is when I wake up, so I suppose they could be served the cheezburger before I leave for work
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So I think the only questions that need to answered are:

a) Why do I close A and C (step 2), and then when going to bed, open A and close B (step 3)? What is the special property of the living space that requires me to do this - why can't I just close B and C and eliminate a step?

b) Why do I close off the upstairs doors in order to feed the cats? After all, if they're hungry they could come down to eat at will if I just left all the door open until I went to bed.
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Looks like nobody's still playing so I'll $poil in a day or to....
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Does the cat like to play with food?
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Does the cat like to play with food? No
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Are there any other pets in the house?

Is this a common domestic cat, or some rare kind?

The special feature ( or the lack thereof ) in the Living Space:
flooring?
wall paneling / materials?
openings ( windows, vents, traps, etc. )?
small appliances?
large appliances?
wiring?
pipes?
geometry of the space?
heat insulation?
air flow?
storage space?
built-in furniture?
movable furniture?
light?
sound-proofness? ( did I just make this up?)
stairs?
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Are there any other pets in the house? No

Is this a common domestic cat, or some rare kind?Domestic house cat

The special feature ( or the lack thereof ) in the Living Space:
flooring?

I will answer these in reverse, so that that yes means the utility room has the feature, and the living space lacks it:
wall paneling / materials?
openings ( windows, vents, traps, etc. )? Yesish, but no windows or vents
small appliances? Yes
large appliances? Yessish, DOYD
wiring?
pipes?
geometry of the space? Yesish, but beware FA
heat insulation?
air flow?
storage space?
built-in furniture?
movable furniture? Both spaces have these, but worth exploring this
light?

No to rest
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Where is the utility room?
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Where is the utility room? Sorry, the Study is what we're calling it. My mistake. It has computer equipment, music keyboards, and a desk, among other things. It's the room I close off to the cats when I get home from work but open it up later, before I go to sleep.
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A summary would help here.
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Sure! Here is the layout of the the rooms and the doors A, B and C.

__ Study _ B __ Bedroom
____ A _________ C
______Living Space
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The cat eats in the living space.
When I get home from work, all three doors are open.
I then wait until the cat is in the living space, and then close off doors A and C.
I then, after a certain period of time (very relevant), I feed the cat.
I then open door A and close door B, so that the cat can have access to the study if chooses.
The "study" has a desk, music keyboards, computer carts, and yesish openings - see my answer to Emeraldink. In general these type of qualities give the study a single relevant property that is different than that of the living space.

When I go to bed I sneak back through door B, thus keeping the cat out of the bedroom so it doesn't disturb my sleep.
In the morning before I leave for work I open all three doors because I don't care where the cat goes at that point.

So the questions are really:
Why do I wait for the cat to come down to the living space and close it off before giving it food? After all, the food would probably attract the cat downstairs eventually once it got hungry, at which point I could then take the opportunity to close off the bedroom (via doors B and C) while the cat is occupied with eating.

Why do I have to close doors A and C before feeding that cat, and not just B and C. in other words why do I have to close it off from the study at that point?

Hope this makes thing a little clear.
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Any other animal involved? Any other human than you? When you first close doors A and C, do you close yourself into the living space? Into the other rooms? Do you then wait for: something to happen? the cat to do something? Yourself to finish a task? Does the food give off a relevant smell? Attract something relevant besides the cat? Repulse something relevant? Such as yourself?
Beachbum (Beachbum)
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Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any other animal involved? No, except that in real life there are two cats, but they can be treated as one for this puzzle Any other human than you? No When you first close doors A and C, do you close yourself into the living space? This Into the other rooms?

Do you then wait for: something to happen? the cat to do something? Yourself to finish a task? I do a task first, then feed the cat

Does the food give off a relevant smell? Attract something relevant besides the cat? Repulse something relevant? Such as yourself? No to all
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Posted on Friday, March 22, 2013 - 10:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you do the task in the living space? Do you do the task after closing A+C? Do you do it to the cats? Does the task require the cats to be there? To not be somewhere else? Is it something the cats find unpleasant? Would they go and hide in the study if they could? Do the cats have hiding places in the study which are hard or impossible to reach?
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Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 - 4:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you do the task in the living space? Do you do the task after closing A+C? Do you do it to the cats?

Does the task require the cats to be there? To not be somewhere else? Is it something the cats find unpleasant? Would they go and hide in the study if they could? Do the cats have hiding places in the study which are hard or impossible to reach?

YES to all! (except a "sometimes" for unpleasant).

((( SPOILER )))

I have two black and white (Tuxedo) litter-mates, one male one female.

The thing is, that they have congenital enlarged hearts, so they both need a dose of medicine every day. (Don't worry - they're full of energy)


I leave all the interior doors open in the morning before I leave for work. Because I don't care where the cats go and it's good for ventilation in general..

When I get back home from work they either are already downstairs or they will be soon (they're hungry).

Once I have both downstairs, I discretely close off the upstairs. Now I have the cats in an environment where there's no safe place to hide.
(and yes Galfisk, not so true of the study - that's the difference).

So they both get caught fairly easily (although they are more and more just giving in, knowing that they don't stand a chance), and I give the medicine and then feed them.

I always try to give them their medicine first, and then feed them, so that they form the cause and effect circuit in their brains.

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