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Deholmes (Deholmes)
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - 9:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They thought it would help protect from pickpockets.
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Mousetraps in pockets?
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Mousetraps in pockets?
good idea but no, not fish hooks either
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Anything around the pocket itself? Or bag? Any particular item relevant? Cash, cards, phone?
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Are they government? Police? An organisation? A company?
Is it a sort of awareness campaign?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - 12:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

cctv?
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Employment of a decoy? Deliberately dressing down so you don't look worth robbing?

Is this protection required on an ongoing daily basis e.g. in the vatican where there's always crowds or for a one off event like a festival or sports event?
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Did it turn out to actually protect them from pickpockets? Or did it not help? Or did it make the problem worse? Or come with its own set of problems?
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Anything around the pocket itself? Or bag? Any particular item relevant? Cash, cards, phone? No to all

Are they government? Police? An organisation? A company? police
Is it a sort of awareness campaign? Yes

cctv? No

Employment of a decoy? Deliberately dressing down so you don't look worth robbing? No to both

Is this protection required on an ongoing daily basis e.g. in the vatican where there's always crowds or for a one off event like a festival or sports event? Ongoing

Did it turn out to actually protect them from pickpockets? No Or did it not help? not help Or did it make the problem worse? Yes Or come with its own set of problems? No
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Did it explain the techniques pickpockets use? And how to protect oneself from them? Did it lead to more people becoming pickpockets? Existing pickpockets becoming better? Pickpockets changing their behavior in a relevant way?
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Would it be a chained wallet? and that most people with a chained wallet let the chain hang out of their pocket slightly? which actually makes it easier to remove the wallet from the pocket undetected (the hard part)? and presents the relatively easier challenge of discreetly breaking a chain?

Or does it involve a similar innovative addition to their possession(s)?

Is there a specific item being stolen? A wallet/purse? handbag? mobile phone?

Is the protection a simple piece of advice? like 'don't take your mobile phone out at night because it draws the attention of criminals who may wish to steal it'? but it was found that by following this advice you give the pickpockets more opportunities to steal from you? or make the action of stealing easier to perform?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - 2:50 pm:

Did it explain the techniques pickpockets use? No And how to protect oneself from them? Did it lead to more people becoming pickpockets? No Existing pickpockets becoming better? Yes Pickpockets changing their behavior in a relevant way? Yes

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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - 3:42 pm:

Would it be a chained wallet? No and that most people with a chained wallet let the chain hang out of their pocket slightly? which actually makes it easier to remove the wallet from the pocket undetected (the hard part)? and presents the relatively easier challenge of discreetly breaking a chain? Or does it involve a similar innovative addition to their possession(s)? No to rest

Is there a specific item being stolen? A wallet Yes /purse? handbag? mobile phone?

Is the protection a simple piece of advice? Yes like 'don't take your mobile phone out at night because it draws the attention of criminals who may wish to steal it'? but it was found that by following this advice you give the pickpockets more opportunities to steal from you? or make the action of stealing easier to perform? No to all else
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Was the advice about where to keep your wallet? What to keep in your wallet? How to make it harder to steal?

Did the pickpockets get better because they knew people would be following the advice and could use this information to their advantage? Eg if the advice was to keep your wallet in a front pocket, pickpockets now know to look in the front pocket?

Or did the advice actually make people more vulnerable to pickpockets, even if the pickpockets didn;t know about the advice?
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2013 - 10:31 am:

Was the advice about where to keep your wallet? What to keep in your wallet? How to make it harder to steal? No to all three

Did the pickpockets get better because they knew people would be following the advice and could use this information to their advantage? Yes Eg if the advice was to keep your wallet in a front pocket, pickpockets now know to look in the front pocket? No

Or did the advice actually make people more vulnerable to pickpockets, Yes even if the pickpockets didn;t know about the advice? They knew
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Was the advice about places to go? Places to avoid? How to behave? How to spot a pickpocket? How to make them less likely to target you? How to make them less likely to succeed if they did target you? What to do after being pickpocketed?
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Was the advice about places to go? Places to avoid? How to behave? How to spot a pickpocket? How to make them less likely to target you? How to make them less likely to succeed if they did target you? What to do after being pickpocketed? No to all
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Was the advice to: do something specific? Not do something specific? Could the pickpockets see who were following the advice? If so, did it make the problem worse by making it easier to see which people it was worth trying to steal from?
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2013 - 6:55 am:

Was the advice to: do something specific? Yesish Not do something specific? No Could the pickpockets see who were following the advice? Yes If so, did it make the problem worse by making it easier to see which people it was worth trying to steal from? Yesish
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Did the advice alert pickpockets as to who had stuff worth stealing? Did they figure that people with nothing valuable on them would not follow the advice? Was the advice given to a relevant group of people? Did following the advice mark the person out as a tourist? As a promising victim in some other way?
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2013 - 9:30 am:

Did the advice alert pickpockets as to who had stuff worth stealing? No Did they figure that people with nothing valuable on them would not follow the advice? No Was the advice given to a relevant group of people? No Did following the advice mark the person out as a tourist? No As a promising victim in some other way No
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I know this one. Good puzzle.
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So the advice does not effect where the individual keeps their wallet? or anything they keep in their wallet? or anything they may or may not attach to their wallet? or how often they take out their wallet?
It does not affect how the individual dresses? or the places they go? or how they conduct themselves generally?
It does not tell them how to spot a pickpocket? How to make it harder for pickpockets to steal their wallet? or what to do when their wallet has been stolen?

Doesn't leave many options. Does the advice help the individual know when they're being targeted? or when they've been stolen from?

Is it: 'check frequently to make sure your wallet has not been stolen'? with the intent that if the individual checks frequently enough the pickpocket may still be nearby?
However, by checking frequently (usually by just patting the pocket the wallet is kept in) they alert the pickpocket to where their wallet is kept? perhaps at times when the wallet is easier to steal and get away with and would not usually be interacted with (i.e. on a crowded street rather than when the target is seated in a bar)? This means a pickpocket can know in advance to try the target's back pocket or inside jacket pocket etc. rather than rely on being lucky?
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2013 - 5:40 pm:
I know this one. Good puzzle. And I thought I was original (the puzzle, not me, e-mail me
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2013 - 6:43 pm:

So the advice does not effect where the individual keeps their wallet? or anything they keep in their wallet? or anything they may or may not attach to their wallet? or how often they take out their wallet?
It does not affect how the individual dresses? or the places they go? or how they conduct themselves generally? Not generally, just one fateful time no to all else
It does not tell them how to spot a pickpocket? How to make it harder for pickpockets to steal their wallet? or what to do when their wallet has been stolen? No to all

Doesn't leave many options. just the right one Does the advice help the individual know when they're being targeted? No or when they've been stolen from? No

Is it: 'check frequently to make sure your wallet has not been stolen'? OTRT, but wrong direction with the intent that if the individual checks frequently enough the pickpocket may still be nearby? Bad idea
However, by checking frequently (usually by just patting the pocket the wallet is kept in) they alert the pickpocket to where their wallet is kept? Yes perhaps at times when the wallet is easier to steal and get away with and would not usually be interacted with (i.e. on a crowded street rather than when the target is seated in a bar)? This means a pickpocket can know in advance to try the target's back pocket or inside jacket pocket etc. rather than rely on being lucky? Yes, so what did they think would help protect, buit backfired}
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Does the advice, in its simplest form, begin "Check..."? or "Don't..."?

Does the advice result in the pickpocket becoming aware of where the target keeps their wallet? or of potential targets who keep their wallet in a particular place?

Would the pickpocket in the vulnerable scenario be alerted by the target patting their pocket? or taking out the wallet? something else?
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Does the advice, in its simplest form, begin "Check..."? or "Don't..."? no no

Does the advice result in the pickpocket becoming aware of where the target keeps their wallet? Yes or of potential targets who keep their wallet in a particular place? Yes

Would the pickpocket in the vulnerable scenario be alerted by the target patting their pocket? Yes or taking out the wallet? Nosomething else? No
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Good job, Balin, Think I'll give it a little longer before I spoil.
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Does the advice actually instruct people to pat their pockets? Do they do this as a consequence of following a different piece of advice? Did the issuers of the advice intend it to result in people patting their pockets? Does the advice make people more paranoid about pickpockets, so they keep checking their wallet is there?
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Does the advice actually instruct people to pat their pockets? Heaven forbid Do they do this as a consequence of following a different piece of advice? No Did the issuers of the advice intend it to result in people patting their pockets? No Does the advice make people more paranoid about pickpockets, so they keep checking their wallet is there? ONRT
What did the police do that started all this?
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Are they advised to check something? To see to it that their pockets are closed? That their wallets re not visible? Is the advice on a sign?
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Are they advised to check something? To see to it that their pockets are closed? That their wallets re not visible? Is the advice on a sign? Yes, no to all else
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Is it simply a sign reading "Pickpockets operate in this area."? Which makes the targets paranoid so they pat their pocket containing their wallet? hence indicating to the pickpockets operating in that area where they keep their wallet?
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Is it simply a sign reading "Pickpockets operate in this area."? Which makes the targets paranoid so they pat their pocket containing their wallet? hence indicating to the pickpockets operating in that area where they keep their wallet? Yes

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