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| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4122 Registered: 1-2001 |
A man lives in a small house, and in his back yard is an apple tree. Once or twice a year, a child knocks on the man's front door. When this happens, the man makes a phone call. If he cannot reach the person that he's calling, the man goes into the back yard and climbs all the way to the top of the apple tree. Why? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5907 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are all mentions of "A man"/"he"/"the man" the same? H/A/M? Child: H/C/M? H/C/F? Is "the" back yard the man's? Child's? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4123 Registered: 1-2001 |
Are all mentions of "A man"/"he"/"the man" the same? Yes H/A/M? Yes Child: H/C/M? H/C/F? Could be either Is "the" back yard the man's? Yes Child's? No | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5909 Registered: 9-2010 |
Can we call the man Isaac? The child Will? Is Isaac calling: his wife? another relative? a neighbour? a relative of Will? if so, Will's mother/father/sibling? Is Isaac climbing the apple tree to hide from Will? to retrieve an apple? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4124 Registered: 1-2001 |
Can we call the man Isaac? The child Will? Sure Is Isaac calling: his wife? another relative? No a neighbour? Loosely speaking, yes a relative of Will? if so, Will's mother/father/sibling? No to these Is Isaac climbing the apple tree to hide from Will? to retrieve an apple? Neither | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 387 Registered: 11-2012 |
Does Will knock on the door to see if the man is home? If not home does will intend to steal some apples? Is there an agreement about the apples? With Will? with his family? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4125 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does Will knock on the door to see if the man is home? Not really, Will could safely assume that the man was there If not home does will intend to steal some apples? No Is there an agreement about the apples? No With Will? with his family? No | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 389 Registered: 11-2012 |
How small is Isaac's house? dwarf size? Keebler Elf size? small human? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4126 Registered: 1-2001 |
How small is Isaac's house? dwarf size? Keebler Elf size? small human? It's a 2 bedroom house | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 390 Registered: 11-2012 |
2 bedroom house, does someone else live in the other bedroom? Is this important? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4127 Registered: 1-2001 |
2 bedroom house, does someone else live in the other bedroom? Is this important? No, only important that Issac lives there | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18406 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is there a treehouse in the tree? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4128 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is there a treehouse in the tree? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5405 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it always Will who knocks? Does Isaac always try to call the same person? Does he climb the tree in order to: see something? Hear something? Put something there? Retrieve something? Send a signal? Relevant that it's an apple tree? Or could it be any tree? Any tree that can be easily climbed? Any fruit tree? Is there something relevant in the tree: before he climbs up? After? Relevant how long he stays there? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2002 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is it relevant what season of the year Will comes to Isaac? Is it always when a tree has fruits? When Isaac makes a call, is Will with him? When Isaac climbs a tree, is Will with him? Could Will climb the tree instead of Isaac? Is Isaac's age relevant, besides he is an adult? Is Isaac impaired? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4129 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it always Will who knocks? Not necessarily Does Isaac always try to call the same person? Yes Does he climb the tree in order to: see something? Yes Hear something? Put something there? Retrieve something? Send a signal? None of these Relevant that it's an apple tree? Or could it be any tree? It could, as long as it's...Any tree that can be easily climbed?...this, and another factor. Any fruit tree? Possibly but doesn't have to be a fruit tree Is there something relevant in the tree: before he climbs up? After? No Relevant how long he stays there? May be helpful to know Is it relevant what season of the year Will comes to Isaac? Yes Is it always when a tree has fruits? No When Isaac makes a call, is Will with him? Yes When Isaac climbs a tree, is Will with him? Yes Could Will climb the tree instead of Isaac? Will may be able to climb it, but he doesn't do it on these occasions Is Isaac's age relevant, besides he is an adult? Not really, just assume he's an adult who is still young enough to climb a tree Is Isaac impaired? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2011 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does Will say something relevant to Isaac when he comes? If yes, is it always the same thing? Does Isaac call a private person? An institution? Police? Does Will come to Isaac on spring? summer? fall? winter? During relevant holidays? Could Isaac climb a ladder? If Isaac's house was as high as a tree, could he just go on the upper floor or climb a roof? Does Isaac do anything relevant after having climbed a tree? Does Will? Does Isaac stay on the tree for few seconds? minutes? More than an hour? Until something else happens? Does Will need something from Isaac before he can leave? Does someone send Will to Isaac? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4131 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does Will say something relevant to Isaac when he comes? He doesn't have to now, but he did the first time he came to Isaac's house If yes, is it always the same thing? If he does say anything, it's always the same meaning Does Isaac call a private person? Yes An institution? Police? No to both Does Will come to Isaac on spring? summer? fall? winter? Always in the winter During relevant holidays? No Could Isaac climb a ladder? No If Isaac's house was as high as a tree, could he just go on the upper floor or climb a roof? Yes - good q Does Isaac do anything relevant after having climbed a tree? Yes Does Will? Yes Does Isaac stay on the tree for few seconds? minutes? Yes, in the range of a few seconds to a few minutes More than an hour? No, not this long Until something else happens? Not always, but this is the case sometimes Does Will need something from Isaac before he can leave? Yes, and...Does someone send Will to Isaac?...yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2013 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does Will need to get a tangible object from Isaac? Does Will need information? Does Will always get what he needs? Does it depend on the result of observation from a tree? Is Isaac's action after climbing the tree dependent on whether he sees something or not? Does Will raise funds for something? Does Isaac agree for Will's visits? Does he expect them? Does Will bring something for Isaac? Can the person who sends Will make the same phone call as Isaac does? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4562 Registered: 1-2007 |
this has a lovely lateral feel to it... Does someone in another location also climb a tree? and Issac can see them? If not is the something Issac sees a person? a building? Does Issac's behaviour surprise Will? alarm him? Is will performing a service for Issac? or vice versa? Is Issac likely to tip Will as a result of whatever is going on? Is Issac humouring Will? Is he pretending to be someone? someone that doesn't exist like Father Time or Santa Claus? Sorry , lots of random thoughts in that post | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4132 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does Will need to get a tangible object from Isaac? No, but...Does Will need information?...yes to this. Does Will always get what he needs? Yes Does it depend on the result of observation from a tree? Yes Is Isaac's action after climbing the tree dependent on whether he sees something or not? Some of his actions, yes Does Will raise funds for something? No Does Isaac agree for Will's visits? Yes Does he expect them? Sometimes Does Will bring something for Isaac? No Can the person who sends Will make the same phone call as Isaac does? Good q - no, they can't. this has a lovely lateral feel to it...Thanks, that's what I was aiming for. About 20 years ago a friend of mine told me one riddle about a dwarf and some sawdust, and another one about a dead scuba diver in a tree. I've enjoyed the "classics" ever since then and find that style to be the most entertaining. Does someone in another location also climb a tree? and Issac can see them? No to both If not is the something Issac sees a person? Sometimes, but always...a building?...this. Does Issac's behaviour surprise Will? No alarm him? No Is will performing a service for Issac? I guess in a way, he is or vice versa? Moreso this Is Issac likely to tip Will as a result of whatever is going on? Yes Is Issac humouring Will? No Is he pretending to be someone? No someone that doesn't exist like Father Time or Santa Claus? No, not this idea Sorry , lots of random thoughts in that post Some very good q's | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18411 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Isaac calling a neighbour? Loosely speaking, yes Is the "neighbor" someone who lives next door to him? Behind him? Across the street? If he cannot reach him by phone, does he climb the tree to try and see the neighbor? The neighbor's home? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3912 Registered: 2-2011 |
if Isaac manages to get through on the phone, doe he ask for information? does he get the ame information he otherwise gets from climbing the apple tree? is it relevant that it's an apple tree? is the building Will's house? a lighthouse? a public building? a house? apartment block? does he look to see whether a flag is flying? a light is on? curtains are drawn? is this action never necessary in summer? or is it not possible? do the leaves get in the way? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4134 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the "neighbor" someone who lives next door to him? Behind him? Across the street? No, but in the same area If he cannot reach him by phone, does he climb the tree to try and see the neighbor? Exactly The neighbor's home? This is one of the things he looks at from his treetop perch, yes If Isaac manages to get through on the phone, does he ask for information? Yes does he get the same information he otherwise gets from climbing the apple tree? Yes is it relevant that it's an apple tree? No, just relevant that it's a somewhat tall tree and Isaac can reach a certain height by climbing it is the building Will's house? a lighthouse? a public building? This, and...a house?...this also, but it isn't the main building that Isaac is looking at apartment block? No does he look to see whether a flag is flying? No a light is on? curtains are drawn? These are both things that Isaac could be looking for in order to provide Will with necessary information. The presence or absence of these conditions would give Isaac the information he tried to find out by a phone call. is this action never necessary in summer? No or is it not possible? The actions can be done at any time, but there is only a need to do them once or twice a year at most. Sometimes a year may go by and it's not necessary to do at all. do the leaves get in the way? Not relevant | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 401 Registered: 11-2012 |
Is the building a postal office? Police? Fire? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4135 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the building a postal office? Police? Fire? No to all these | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 403 Registered: 11-2012 |
Is he afraid of Will? of what Will might do? Is he hiding in the tree? Is he looking for help? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4136 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is he afraid of Will? No of what Will might do? No Is he hiding in the tree? No Is he looking for help? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4563 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the building a seat of power like a parliament building or even the White House? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4564 Registered: 1-2007 |
Sorry posted before I was finished. Is Will fundraising? Selling flags or calendars? or looking to make some pocket money by sweeping Issac's drive or mowing his lawn? Does money always change hands? Is Issac a government employee? relevant what his profession is? Does Will's presence allow Issac to achieve a feat or complete an action he would not otherwise be able to ? or vice versa? I've a feeling that weather is relevant is it? This always happens in winter yes? If not weather is some other aspect of winter relevant? Christmas? Solstice? Thanksgiving? New Years? Short days? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4137 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the building a seat of power like a parliament building or even the White House? No, it's not a government building Is Will fundraising? Selling flags or calendars? or looking to make some pocket money by sweeping Issac's drive or mowing his lawn? No to all Does money always change hands? No, it never does Is Issac a government employee? No relevant what his profession is? Yes (I wondered when someone was going to ask) Does Will's presence allow Issac to achieve a feat or complete an action he would not otherwise be able to ? or vice versa? No, the action is something that Isaac could do at any time, but there's no need to do it unless Will is there I've a feeling that weather is relevant is it? Yes This always happens in winter yes? Yes If not weather is some other aspect of winter relevant? Christmas? Solstice? Thanksgiving? New Years? Short days? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2014 Registered: 1-2011 |
Do either Will or Isaac care for the person who is in the building Isaac sees from the tree? If yes, do they try to check if the person is OK? Is there any other place in the area, from which the observation could be made? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4138 Registered: 1-2001 |
Do either Will or Isaac care for the person who is in the building Isaac sees from the tree? No If yes, do they try to check if the person is OK? No Is there any other place in the area, from which the observation could be made? No, but DYOD of "area" | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 408 Registered: 11-2012 |
Is Isaac an analysis? a psychologist? Is he evaluating Will? Is the call to a fellow professional? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4144 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is Isaac an analysis? a psychologist? No Is he evaluating Will? No Is the call to a fellow professional? Yes, the call is made to another person who has the exact same job as Isaac | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3918 Registered: 2-2011 |
is Isaac's profession in healthcare? education? the law? crime? science? engineering? catering? leisure? the arts? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4146 Registered: 1-2001 |
is Isaac's profession in healthcare? education? the law? crime? science? engineering? catering? leisure? the arts? None of these. 'Education' is the closest but this may be misleading. | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 412 Registered: 11-2012 |
Does Isaac deal with books, when in the tree is he looking at a library? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4147 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does Isaac deal with books, He does, yes, as part of his job when in the tree is he looking at a library? No | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 574 Registered: 9-2006 |
Building: a hospital? a school? a university? a shop? Does Isaac live in a rural area? urban? relevant? Is the building in an urban area? How far is the building? <1 mile? 1-5 miles? Is the exact place/country relevant? Year/century? When Isaac makes the phone call, does he talk to the other person? Relevant what the person answers? Or Isaac calls just to know if the person is present at that place? Is Will's family poor (financially speaking)? Is Will trying to help the person who asked him to go to Isaac's house? Does Will return with the simple answer "Yes, he's there", or "No, he's not there" (he = the "neighbour")? Is anybody in Will's family sick? Does Will or anyone in his family need to visit the "neighbour" (but they have no phone) so, in order to know whether the neighbour's available, Isaac is asked to determine it for them? Would something bad happen in case Will returns without the info (e.g. no one answers the phone call + heavy fog)? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5415 Registered: 9-2009 |
Profession: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? Is he trying to see: if there are people in the building? If there is a certain person in the building? Does he climb in any weather? Does he need to climb in any weather? Is he a meteorologist? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4148 Registered: 1-2001 |
Building: a hospital? a school? a university? a shop? None of these Does Isaac live in a rural area? Yes urban? No relevant? Yes, very much Is the building in an urban area? Yes How far is the building? <1 mile? 1-5 miles? In this range Is the exact place/country relevant? No Year/century? Yes When Isaac makes the phone call, does he talk to the other person? If the person is at home then yes. It's when the person isn't at home, or doesn't answer the phone, that Isaac goes into the yard and climbs the tree. Relevant what the person answers? Yes Or Isaac calls just to know if the person is present at that place? No, he needs to know something else Is Will's family poor (financially speaking)? Yes Is Will trying to help the person who asked him to go to Isaac's house? Yes, good q Does Will return with the simple answer "Yes, he's there", or "No, he's not there" (he = the "neighbour")? He does return with a "yes" or "no", but his answer does not indicate whether the other person is at home or not Is anybody in Will's family sick? No Does Will or anyone in his family need to visit the "neighbour" No (but they have no phone) This is correct, Will's family has no phone so, in order to know whether the neighbour's available, This isn't what they want to know Isaac is asked to determine it for them? Yes, someone sends Will to Isaac so that Isaac can determine something, but not whether the neighbor is available Would something bad happen in case Will returns without the info (e.g. no one answers the phone call + heavy fog)? DYOD of "bad", but I'd say it would be at most "annoying" or "frustrating" Profession: Galfisk, I think you covered every possibility in that list! I have answered the ones that best fit... Education? Partly this Academic Research? Possibly this Religion? THIS mainly Teaching? Partly this Is he trying to see: if there are people in the building? This would be one of the things he's looking for If there is a certain person in the building? This is mostly what he's looking for Does he climb in any weather? No Does he need to climb in any weather? No, only in a specific situation Is he a meteorologist? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3922 Registered: 2-2011 |
floods relevant? ice? snow? lightning? is Isaac a priest? rabbi? minister? some other kind of religious leader? is Isaac's house the nearest one to Will's house? or the nearest one with a phone? is the person Isaac calls a relative of Will's? a friend? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4149 Registered: 1-2001 |
floods relevant? No ice? snow? Yes to both of these lightning? No is Isaac a priest? rabbi? minister? some other kind of religious leader? He is a pastor/minister, yes is Isaac's house the nearest one to Will's house? or the nearest one with a phone? There are other houses closer to Will's that may have phones, there is another reason that Will comes to Isaac's house is the person Isaac calls a relative of Will's? No a friend? A friend of Isaac's, yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18419 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a specific role of a minister relevant? Preaching? Counseling? Prayer? Last rites? Is the other person's profession relevant? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 575 Registered: 9-2006 |
So the building is a church / religious building? Is this puzzle set in the: 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th or older? So the "neighbour" is also a pastor/minister, right? On the phone, do they talk about something related to religion? mass? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4150 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is a specific role of a minister relevant? Not just one, but... Preaching? This Counseling? Not related here Prayer? This also Last rites? Not related here Is the other person's profession relevant? Yes, and see below So the building is a church / religious building? Yes, a church Is this puzzle set in the...20th century? Yes So the "neighbour" is also a pastor/minister, right? Yes On the phone, do they talk about something related to religion? No, but it's implied mass? Similar to this, yes | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2012 |
Does Isaac work with books? Is he a librariaan | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18424 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they talk about a sermon? | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 428 Registered: 11-2012 |
Does Will desire something of a religious nature? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4151 Registered: 1-2001 |
Does Isaac work with books? Is he a librarian? He's a minister, so he works with relevant books Do they talk about a sermon? One aspect of it, and it's an implied subject Does Will desire something of a religious nature? No | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 431 Registered: 11-2012 |
Do the ministers talk about rites? baptism? confirmation? Does it matter their religion? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1212 Registered: 6-2003 |
Do Will's parents simply want to know when the service starts? or whether it will take place at all, given that the road to the church may be blocked with snow in winter? Does Isaac, when on the tree, look whether there is light in the church? whether the church door is visible? (assuming that if the pastor managed to clear the way to the church from snow, the service will take place? Would Isaac make the same phone call, and/or climb on the tree the same way also if Will did not come? because he also needs to know this information himself? Is Isaac expection Will to come when a certain condition is met? Is he waiting for Will in such situation before making the phone call? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2020 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does Isaac have other ways to get the information Will needs? Does he always get the information only by phone/observation? Does Will come only when weather allows seeing the church from the tree? If church is not visible from the tree because of the weather and Isaac's call is not answered, can Will still get the information he needs? Does Isaac also work in church? If yes, the one he sees from the tree? Antother one? If another, does Will's family belong to the church of Isaac? Another church? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4152 Registered: 1-2001 |
Do the ministers talk about rites? baptism? confirmation? None of these specifics, but they could be implied (see below) Does it matter their religion? No (but assume they are the same religion/denomination) Do Will's parents simply want to know when the service starts? YES, or...whether it will take place at all, given that the road to the church may be blocked with snow in winter?...THIS is the main question that Will has! Does Isaac, when on the tree, look whether there is light in the church? whether the church door is visible? Yes, he could be looking for either of these because they would indicate something... (assuming that if the pastor managed to clear the way to the church from snow, the service will take place?) The pastor may be clearing the way, but other people would be involved (this is relevant) Would Isaac make the same phone call, and/or climb on the tree the same way also if Will did not come? No, because if Will didn't come then Isaac would assume he didn't need to make the phone call and/or climb the tree because he also needs to know this information himself? The only time Isaac needs this information is when Will knocks on his door Is Isaac expecting Will to come when a certain condition is met? Yes, at least if I'm understanding this question correctly. BUT...usually Will has already arrived by the time Isaac is aware of the condition Is he waiting for Will in such situation before making the phone call? YES - good q | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2022 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is Will's family interested in the service only under certain condition? If yes, does the condition concern the family? The church? The weather? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2023 Registered: 1-2011 |
I see from your last post that some of my previous questions are wrong, but if you don't mind answering them anyway... :-) | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4154 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is Will's family interested in the service only under certain condition? If yes, does the condition concern the family? The church? The weather? Will's family attends church regularly, and will always attend unless weather conditions make it impossible, or unless they get certain information from Will after he visits Isaac | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3929 Registered: 2-2011 |
does Will sing in the choir? ring the bells? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4156 Registered: 1-2001 |
does Will sing in the choir? ring the bells? Possibly, but this isn't relevant to his visit to Isaac | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1213 Registered: 6-2003 |
Let's see whether I got it right: Will's parents are regular churchgoers, but when there was a heavy snowfall in winter they prefer to make sure that the service is going to take place before they start to walk all the way through the snow. As they do not have a phone, but Isaac has, they send Will to Isaac. Isaac calls the pastor and gets the desired information. When the pastor does not pick up the phone Isaac climbs on the tree to have a look because he does not want to let Will without an answer and there is a certain chance that the pastor is already in the church. Isaac looks out whether he can see light in the church, an open door, people approaching the church -- all things that would indicate that the service takes place. Isaac is not interested in the information himself because he is not a regular churchgoer. Anything missing? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2026 Registered: 1-2011 |
Could you please answer my q's of Feb. 25, 3:58? Isaac is the pastor himself, right? Are he and his friend pastors of the same religion/church? If not, is that relevant why Will's family go to the friend's church instead of Isaac's one? If weather makes it difficult to go to the church, does it cause Will problems to come to Isaac? Does it cause Isaac problems to climb a tree? Is that relevant? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4158 Registered: 1-2001 |
Sorry I missed these! Does Isaac have other ways to get the information Will needs? No Does he always get the information only by phone/observation? Yes Does Will come only when weather allows seeing the church from the tree? No, visibility has nothing to do with when Will comes If church is not visible from the tree because of the weather and Isaac's call is not answered, can Will still get the information he needs? Good q - yes, he can, but Isaac will not give Will the information until he first makes the phone call, then if he gets no answer he climbs the tree Does Isaac also work in church? He is the pastor/minister at the church where Will ocmes If yes, the one he sees from the tree? No Another one? No, just the one If another, does Will's family belong to the church of Isaac? Another church? Will and his family all attend Isaac's church Let's see whether I got it right: Will's parents are regular churchgoers, but when there was a heavy snowfall in winter they prefer to make sure that the service is going to take place before they start to walk all the way through the snow. Yes As they do not have a phone, but Isaac has, they send Will to Isaac. Yes Isaac calls the pastor and gets the desired information. Yes, he does call the other pastor to get some information When the pastor does not pick up the phone Isaac climbs on the tree to have a look because he does not want to let Will without an answer and there is a certain chance that the pastor is already in the church. Yes Isaac looks out whether he can see light in the church, an open door, people approaching the church -- all things that would indicate that the service takes place. Yes - if the other pastor does not answer the phone and Isaac has to climb the tree to look at the other church, he's looking for these things Isaac is not interested in the information himself because he is not a regular churchgoer. No - Isaac is very interested in the information and he is the pastor/minister of the church that Will and his family attend Anything missing? The only thing that hasn't been discovered is why Isaac attempts to contact the other pastor and how this affects the information he gives to Will. There is an FA lurking that may clear this point up. It's a fairly basic subject that no one has asked about yet. Isaac is the pastor himself, right? Yes Are he and his friend pastors of the same religion/church? Assume so, yes If not, is that relevant why Will's family go to the friend's church instead of Isaac's one? Will's family always attends Isaac's church, never the other one If weather makes it difficult to go to the church, does it cause Will problems to come to Isaac? Will can get to Isaac faster and easier than others in his family. You can assume that if Will's family does not think they would have problems getting to Isaac's church they wouldn't send Will to visit Isaac. Does it cause Isaac problems to climb a tree? Is that relevant? Maybe - there may be occasions where Will arrives and Isaac cannot reach the other pastor, and weather conditions are so bad that he would have a very hard time getting up the tree (if a lot of ice is present, for example). If Isaac were unable to climb the tree, he would still give Will the information he needs, but the lurking FA is related to this topic. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3932 Registered: 2-2011 |
do the two churches share resources? for example, does the organist run from the other church to Isaac's so that he can play at Isaac's service? is the condition Isaac is looking for simply whether the other church is going ahead with its services despite the ice and snow? | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 576 Registered: 9-2006 |
Is the person/"neighbour" a man? woman? | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 446 Registered: 11-2012 |
If this happens on a saturday, are the churches Jesish? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2035 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does Will need information if Isaac will do the service in his (Isaac's) church? Or if the other pastor will do the service in his church? If the first case is correct: Is Isaac's decision about the service dependent on whether other pastor does the service? And only when he cannot establish this he makes the decision on his own? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4161 Registered: 1-2001 |
Do the two churches share resources? for example, does the organist run from the other church to Isaac's so that he can play at Isaac's service? No...but that's great thinking Is the condition Isaac is looking for simply whether the other church is going ahead with its services despite the ice and snow? YES Is the person/"neighbour" a man? woman? A man If this happens on a Saturday, are the churches Jesish? N/R ****** SPOILER ****** Does Will need information if Isaac will do the service in his (Isaac's) church? Yes, because Will lives in a rural area with dirt roads that are very dangerous for travel in wintry (especially icy) conditions. Will's family always attends church, and wants to even in bad weather, so they send Will to Isaac very early in the morning on icy wintry days to find out if they will be having a church service so the families can have time to get to church in the bad weather, or will know that they don't need to come that day. Or if the other pastor will do the service in his church? Will doesn't need this information, but Isaac does, because... If the first case is correct: Is Isaac's decision about the service dependent on whether other pastor does the service? YES! And only when he cannot establish this he makes the decision on his own? Exactly! The two churches are the only ones within a great distance from several rural towns. The towns are in an area that only gets icy, snowy weather once or twice a year, if at all. It's an era in which many families do not have phones and/or cars, so communication is limited and travel is difficult in certain conditions. Isaac is aware of the challenges facing local families, but doesn't want to be the "slack minister" who cancels their church services while the other pastor goes ahead despite the conditions. So when Will arrives, Isaac knows that the roads are bad near his house and other houses, so he calls the other pastor to see if that church will be open for services. If the other pastor doesn't answer, Isaac assumes he is outside clearing snow or otherwise preparing the church building, so as another measure he climbs the tree with binoculars to get a closer look at the other church building, a mile or so away. If he sees activity at the other church, he advises Will that their own church will meet. If he sees no activity, he cancels their own service. He probably places another call (the lurking FA) to the other pastor before Will departs just to make sure he is making the right decision. After all, how slack would he look to let a little ice and snow cancel his services while the neighbor church goes right ahead with theirs? This is based on a real life situation, although much more recent. Our church and another nearby church are both of the same religion/denomination, and previously both had pastors that were well known in the community. We live in the south, and rarely have winter weather that would cause cancellation of church service. But in cases of this rare icy weather occurring on a Saturday night/Sunday morning, the pastor of the other church would call our pastor to see if he had made a decision about holding or cancelling services that day. Our pastor joked that the other pastor didn't want to look bad by cancelling his services when the other big church "right down the street" went ahead with their services. The decision always needed to be made very early in the morning, since several people arrived at the building before the pastor to do some setup for the day's activities (turn heaters and lights on, etc.). Great job to all who joined in! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3936 Registered: 2-2011 |
great puzzle thanks - my favourite in a long time - but I can't help thinking that he must be mad to climb tree if the icy conditions are that bad! | ||
| Solo1 (Solo1)
New member Username: Solo1 Post Number: 526 Registered: 5-2012 |
And what kind of parents would send a child out in that kind of weather? But I don't think it was established just how old Will was, was it? Where I live, any snow qualifies as a 'snow day' when everything automatically shuts down; no need for trees or phone calls. but I don't have to 'get it' for this to be a good puzzle! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 4162 Registered: 1-2001 |
Well speaking as an adult, I know that as much as I enjoy the rare 'snow days' we have, I can't spend as much time outside in the snow without getting uncomfortable compared to when I was a kid. Kids can be out in cold, snowy, icy conditions without being bothered by the elements for a while. And Will's age was never established but I'm sure his parents would have made sure he was adequately bundled up before making the journey. Glad you guys enjoyed it. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4569 Registered: 1-2007 |
Super | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 18429 Registered: 4-2010 |
Very fun puzzle. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 2057 Registered: 1-2011 |
That was fun. Great puzzle, thanks. |
