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Deholmes (Deholmes)
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There is a critter I used to bag when in the mountains. It is good eating and I especially like the liver. The liver is so large you would think it is diseased. It is better than veal liver. I have since learned the error of my ways. Why?
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Is the particular "critter" relevant? Is it relevant that you used the word "critter"?
Is poison relevant?
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Is it just "too much of a good thing?"
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Is the particular "critter" relevant? yes Is it relevant that you used the word "critter"? yes
Is poison relevant? no

Solo1

Is it just "too much of a good thing?" no
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Is the liver so large naturally? Is the liver of the critter healthy to eat?
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Critter as in animal? if so: a mammal? a bird? a reptile? a fish? does it live in the mountains?
Is the liver large in total size? in weight? large compared with the animal's size?
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Is the liver so large naturally? It has been in all I have seen Is the liver of the critter healthy to eat? none have ever hurt me, or anyone I have persuaded to try

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Critter as in animal? if so: a mammal? this a bird? a reptile? a fish? does it live in the mountains? yes
Is the liver large in total size? in weight? large compared with the animal's size? yes to all three
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Is it marmot (woodchuck, groundhog)? hedgehog?
Is it a domesticated animal? an animal that exists in its domesticated form, but also lives wild in the mountains?
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Is it marmot (woodchuck, groundhog)? hedgehog?
Is it a domesticated animal? an animal that exists in its domesticated form, but also lives wild in the mountains? no to all
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is it a deer of some kind?
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is it a deer of some kind? no, however, when we were poor we said all meat was dear
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I told you - I'm supposed to do the puns around here!
Is the critter, by any chance, ursine? feline? porcine? or some other kind of -ine?
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I told you - I'm supposed to do the puns around here!
Is the critter, by any chance, ursine? no feline? no porcine? no or some other kind of -ine? yesish
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Is it relevant how did you learn the error of your ways? Did you read something? Hear something? Watch something that changed your mind?
Did your error concern the critter? The liver? Bagging critters in general?
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Is it cervine, but not a deer? an elk maybe? Not a wild hare, sheep, or goat, as these also exist in domestic types, correct? Not a marmot, but some other type of rodent?
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Is it cervine, but not a deer? no an elk maybe? no Not a wild hare, sheep, or goat, as these also exist in domestic types, correct? correct Not a marmot, but some other type of rodent? yes
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A beaver? a river rat, coypu or the like?
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Does the error of your ways include: killing it? Eating it? Eating the liver? Preparation techniques? Where you hunt it? When? How?
Does the error affect you badly? Does it affect the animals badly (in addition to the ones eaten, that is)? Does it affect nature in a relevant way? Does it affect some other person in a relevant way?
Did you learn the error of your ways because of: something you experienced? Something you observed? Something you read? Something you were told?
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Mimino

A beaver? a river rat, coypu or the like? no to all

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Does the error of your ways include: killing it? yes Eating it? Eating the liver? Preparation techniques? Where you hunt it? When? How?
Does the error affect you badly? Does it affect the animals badly (in addition to the ones eaten, that is)? Does it affect nature in a relevant way? Does it affect some other person in a relevant way? yes, no to the others
Did you learn the error of your ways because of: something you experienced? Something you observed? Something you read? Something you were told? an article I read
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Is the animal of an endangered/threatened species?
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Does it affect: one person? A group? People with a certain thing in common? Do they benefit from the animal? Do they hunt the animal? Do they worship the animal? Do they tame the animal? Medicine relevant?
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Is the animal of an endangered/threatened species? no

Galfisk

Does it affect: one person? no A group? no People with a certain thing in common? yes Do they benefit from the animal? yes Do they hunt the animal? yesish Do they worship the animal? no Do they tame the animal? NoMedicine relevant? no
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Do those who (yesishly) hunt the animal hunt it because of its meat? its fur? something else?
Do they consider hunting the animal a sport or competition?
Do they receive benefit from the animal when it is still alive? in wild? after they caught it?
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Is the benefit to their: health? Finances? Culture? Happiness? Relevant how common the animal is? Do they kill the animal? Catch it alive? Uninjured? Do they chase it, but not catch it?
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Do those who (yesishly) hunt the animal hunt it because of its meat? yes its fur? something else?
Do they consider hunting the animal a sport or competition? no to all else
Do they receive benefit from the animal when it is still alive? in wild? after they caught it?

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Is the benefit to their: health? this Finances? Culture? Happiness? Relevant how common the animal is? Do they kill the animal? this Catch it alive? Uninjured? Do they chase it, but not catch it?
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If this is something you hunt in the mountains, is it an animal not found, or not so commonly found, in flatter country? Is it something found only (or mostly) in the mountain states? in Northern states?
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If this is something you hunt in the mountains, is it an animal not found, or not so commonly found, in flatter country? Is it something found only (or mostly) in the mountain states? in Northern states? I don't hunt it, never have but when I found one I would bag it because I like the taste, but I stopped, Why? I have bagged them from Penjnsylvania to Utah
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Are the animals: common? Rare? Do they eat the liver? Any other specific part? Do they get an essential nutrient from the animal? Do they get sick if they don't eat the animal? Is it their only source of something? Or their main source?
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Are the animals: common? somewhat Rare? Do they eat the liver? Any other specific part? Do they get an essential nutrient from the animal? Do they get sick if they don't eat the animal? Is it their only source of something? Or their main source? who is they
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Unless it's an armadillo, I'm out. It's not, is it?
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I've never seen an armadillo in the Rockies
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Well, it was just a WAG. I had heard that they were being seen further North than they used to be, but apparently not that far.
Let's see, what other rodent-like animals are there? Surely not skunks! Porcupines? Possums?
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Solo1

Well, it was just a WAG. I had heard that they were being seen further North than they used to be, but apparently not that far.
Let's see, what other rodent-like animals are there? Surely not skunks! Porcupines? bang bang shot me down, now why do I let them be Possums?
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Well, it strikes me they would be difficult to dress out!
but this has to do with their livers. Must read up on porcupine livers. Back soon.
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Well, it strikes me they would be difficult to dress out! actually not, just hang them by the front paws and start at the belly
but this has to do with their livers. Must read up on porcupine livers. Back soon. Livers was an interesting note in case you ever wanted to bag one. the question is why I leave the animal alone when i see it.
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Are the people who hunt the porcupine native Americans? does porcupine meat (or dishes made of it) have a particular role in their culture? in their diet? are traditions, feasts linked to the porcupine?
Does porcupine meat have a particular quality? (apart from being tasty)
Is it rich in protein? vitamines? low in fat?
Is it the only source of meat with this quality for the people who are hunting it?
Is the method of hunting relevant?
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So it's not that there might be something unsafe about eating porcupine? Or that you're concerned about population size?

Did you learn something about the animal that made you feel personally bad about killing one (ex. you learn how long the parents take care of their babies and don't want to risk destroying a whole family of them)? Did you realize the practice was disadvantaging you in a way you didn't realize before? Were you angering someone? Risking a fine?

Could your reasoning apply to other animals? Would you recommend to others that they not eat porcupine either?

Did you just find something that tasted much better? =)
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Gourami

So it's not that there might be something unsafe about eating porcupine? Or that you're concerned about population size? no, it's not

Did you learn something about the animal that made you feel personally bad about killing one (ex. you learn how long the parents take care of their babies and don't want to risk destroying a whole family of them)? Did you realize the practice was disadvantaging you in a way you didn't realize before? Were you angering someone? Risking a fine? no

Could your reasoning apply to other animals? no Would you recommend to others that they not eat porcupine either? most people wouldn't

Did you just find something that tasted much better? =) no
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Oh, can you get Ostap's questions above? I think he's on to something.
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Ostap

sorry for missing this post,thanx Gourami for catching it
Are the people who hunt the porcupine native Americans? does porcupine meat (or dishes made of it) have a particular role in their culture? in their diet? are traditions, feasts linked to the porcupine?
Does porcupine meat have a particular quality? (apart from being tasty)
Is it rich in protein? vitamines? low in fat?
Is it the only source of meat with this quality for the people who are hunting it?
Is the method of hunting relevant? not to my knowledge or no to all
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If you're still around, Deholmes...

Do you leave the porcupines alone so as to preserve them for this other group of people who are hunting them? Or for some other reason? Do you not want to be mistaken as being from this group of people?
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Do you leave the porcupines alone so as to preserve them for this other group of people who are hunting them? Or for some other reason? Do you not want to be mistaken as being from this group of people
for some who may have greater need
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OK, I've stayed around and played around this old town too long
*****************************************SPOILER*********************************************
Porcupines are easy to kill, easy to skin and delicious eating forget trying to shoot one except to get it out of a tree. Hitting it on both sides of the head at the same time with two thick sticks does the job well. Whether that kills or just stuns it doesn't matter because before he wakes up his liver is in the fry pan. Why do I not bag one when I see it now, except if it is around the house and ruining my trees, Is because it is so easy to kill it makes a good survival food and for some poor sucker, lost in the mountains, it may be life or death. So, I leave it there for him.
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Easy to skin??!?
If I move to an area where they are common, I will ask you for instructions on dressing them out. I'd have to be pretty hungry tho.
For that matter, I'd have to be pretty hungry to eat a possum!
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{How to skin:
Hang the critter in any way convenient, spread eagle and about eye height, this will do also for gutting the animal. There are no quills on the belly. Then roll the skin back on itself so the quills are inside the skin roll and not in position to stick you. because he is dead the quills are laying down flat. Continue to roll the skin as you skin the aimal. I've skinned many without incident. good luck to you.
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Aaaaaaaaaand that will go in the pile of "things I never expected to learn on the LTPF" :-)
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I'm sorry if the detail bothered you Kalira, it was in response to Solo1.
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Well I for one found it quite interesting. The number of things I've learned on the LTPF that I never expected to has just grown by one :-) But I find that we LTPF'ers have fascinating topics to discuss. One thing I can say about this forum - it's never, ever dull.
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Sorry, Dave. No, the detail didn't bother me. My comment was meant to convey the same thing Kaylee said (though hers was said with considerably more eloquence). No worries :-)

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